White Nationalist leads torch-bearing protestors against removal of confederate statue

[Cyberfx1024 7,978]

4 minutes ago, ccneat said:

So the liberals are to blame because they have demonized white people? Are white people  so oppressed that they have taken to the streets in storm trooper gear?   What if we offered to restore their brunch privileges? 

Yes that is the case and you can see it if you actually look for it. It's sad but even my coworker who hates DT saw this coming a mile away, and can totally see the reasons why it is because he is a Southern White guy himself. A fair number of people are getting fed up being demonized about how they are putting another race down just because they are white. 

Edited May 15, 2017 by cyberfx1024

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

Just now, IAMX said:

They're the ones doing it. So, duh, yes.

I am interested in your examples of liberals oppressing white people. This should be good.

[IAMX 3,055]

Just now, ccneat said:

I am interested in your examples of liberals oppressing white people. This should be good.

Nice try at inserting your own narrative again and demanding people prove your narrative.

 

Better luck next time.

[smilesammich 10,727]

33 minutes ago, Jacque67 said:

Never been to Charlottesville ...are there statues of the slaves commemorating their part in history?

doubtful.

[Cyberfx1024 7,978]

1 minute ago, ccneat said:

I am interested in your examples of liberals oppressing white people. This should be good.

After the whole Dylan Roof fiasco in the South you saw all this hysteria about Confederate symbols and flags. The dang things have been there for a hundred years, but all of a sudden they need to come down now because of that idiot.

[smilesammich 10,727]

4 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

After the whole Dylan Roof fiasco in the South you saw all this hysteria about Confederate symbols and flags. The dang things have been there for a hundred years, but all of a sudden they need to come down now because of that idiot.

that's ridiculous. the call for the confederate nonsense to end wasn't just because of one murdering racist.  i swear i see more confederate flags in a day than the us flag. and i'm not even in the 'actual' south. 

[IAMX 3,055]

Just now, cyberfx1024 said:

After the whole Dylan Roof fiasco in the South you saw all this hysteria about Confederate symbols and flags. The dang things have been there for a hundred years, but all of a sudden they need to come down now because of that idiot.

The media was partly to blame, and the fact that the left have very little introspective reasoning. The media points them in the direction at what to be outraged about, they follow.

 

 

It's actually funny how things have changed in just a few decades.

 

When Columbine happened, I was in high school (was a Junior or Senior in HS). The right went nuts when they found out the shooters listened to Marilyn Manson, KMFDM, Rammstein, and played video games like Doom. They even demonized people who wore trenchcoats (which included the Matrix characters).

 

Now the right have went away from this demonization, and the left are (besides their usual anti-gun schtick) doing the same thing, using things like a white person's race, or random dumb stuff like a confederate flag to justify outlandish positions.

 

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

6 minutes ago, IAMX said:

Nice try at inserting your own narrative again and demanding people prove your narrative.

 

Better luck next time.

No time to talk...gotta get to starbucks and talk to my  liberal playmates on our plan to bring white people under our heel.

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

10 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

After the whole Dylan Roof fiasco in the South you saw all this hysteria about Confederate symbols and flags. The dang things have been there for a hundred years, but all of a sudden they need to come down now because of that idiot.

There are more confederate flags sold in the north than the south. Hatred adopts any symbol that helps promote their end.

[IAMX 3,055]

3 minutes ago, ccneat said:

No time to talk...gotta get to starbucks and talk to my  liberal playmates on our plan to bring white people under our heel.

Just make sure the free wifi works, otherwise gotta find a new safe space.

[Ban Hammer 12,836]

11 minutes ago, ccneat said:

No time to talk...gotta get to starbucks and talk to my  liberal playmates on our plan to bring white people under our heel.

should be an interesting discussion over free trade coffee  

[yuna628 9,528]

11 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

 

Sorry I might be one of those "Sore Losers" you are talking about. I grew up in NC as I have stated before on here, and if you didn't know NC was one of the last states to actually go for the Confederacy. We sent off more people to go and fight than almost any other state, but we also had the most desertions as well. I can be proud that my ancestor a poor farmer(had no slaves) went off and served his two years in the Confederate Army before he came back home. 

 

Now that I have put that out there I will put my .02 cents in to this argument. I think that all this PC BS about how we need to remove the monuments because of this or that is complete BS. It is apart of our history wither people think it is good or bad it is there. The people that want to remove everything are the same people that want us to conform to their way of thinking and living, it just does not work out like that. The South right now is having an identity crisis all around because of the amount of transplants that moving down to our lower COL states from the North and just trying to change everything that they think is wrong with our society. How the Confederate Monuments and Flags are a reminder of when people owned other people. 

Sorry to bust people's bubbles and alot of people don't know this but Black People OWNED slaves as well. This fact is often not known or discussed out in the open to much. Also there are a fair number of Black People, Latinos, Indians who fought on the side of the Confederacy. So just saying it was all white people is wrong. 

 

A fair number of people in the South both Black and White wave the Rebel(Confederate) Flag and wear all kinds of clothing with it on. Just go down to Daytona or Myrtle Beach on Bike Week or Black Bike Week and you will see people wearing it without a problem. I admit I used wear shirts with it on in the past when I was a teenager and I had a Rebel flag license plate on my car. But for me it is about nostalgia supporting my heritage. 

Okay, let's talk ancestors for a moment. Your ancestor didn't own slaves - okay. But did he agree enough with the Confederacy to join in the fight, correct? What was his position on slavery? Do you have any ideas about that? What were his motivations in it all? Many don't care to know what their ancestors motivations were, but over the years they indoctrinate themselves that a group of treason seditionists were somehow heroic in heritage. You can find the lines blurred in textbooks to carefully skirt the issue so that no one's feel feels get hurt. Southern and some Christian-based textbooks need safe space information afterall...

 

I say this knowing very much what my own ancestors did and their position on the war. I made a point to find out. MD was a very conflicted and violent place during the Civil War (it still is.. you could say I live in a KKK loving Confederate town filled with vile people clutching their Confederate flags and screaming heritage but have no idea what that heritage seems to be when questioned). It was afterall the birthplace of the underground railroad. My maternal grandfather's ancestors were German-Dutch living with many god-fearing people opposed to slavery from all over the world who had been through absolute hell and had made a life for themselves on the border MD and with them they lived with my Irish paternal ancestors who were former slaves themselves. They were abolitionists, I believe because their past experiences had shaped in them the concept of liberty for all. The spirit they carried in the Revolutionary War, their later ancestors put into the Civil War as Unionists. On my paternal grandmother's side things were very different. Their experience abroad shaped in them I believe a hatred of mostly everyone and linked their financial survival with slavery - so I can find extensive records of what slaves and servants they owned, how they treated them, what mixed-race children they had by raping their slaves, how they used the Bible to try to justify their vile actions, and what happened to them in the Confederacy. There were few rebellious exceptions in that family, and when they were defeated and the war was over - they certainly were pretty fervent racists all the way to my grandfather. They had no problem telling you what it was all about and what it meant to them...and it wasn't anything noble. My maternal grandfather's stepfather's ancestors were also extremely racist and were slaveholders from the time they got on the boat by order of the King, for as long as they could after the Civil War. For them they were upper-rust dealers in the trade, truly thinking themselves superior to everyone else, and were some of the largest slaveholders in the state. In the branches that migrated to the south, they grew their empire of enslavement. A black body was worthless and subhuman to them. They were merely an object to use to make money.

 

To me there is nothing to be proud about in the Civil War. I am not proud of a single slaveholding ancestor, or an ancestor that fought for the Confederacy for any reason whatsoever. The flag is symbol of treason, murder, and a grave reminder of how poisonous the concept of slavery was - the rejection of the basic principles of our founders created (who also understood the powder keg this issue was and were too cowardly to stand fully on those principles). It is a symbol of how we nearly destroyed our country and slaughtered each other because of greed, jealousy, and hatred. It's a symbol of sin and has tainted and perpetuated all of the hatred that continues to exist in this country to this day. The south needs to find other things to be proud of. I'm sure they can find something if they look hard enough. Demographics are changing in the south, sorry that's problematic for you, but we do live in a free country and people can move where they please. Change isn't easy, but the old ways are dying out. There are plenty of 'true southerners' also sick of that flag and misplaced 'hero worship'. Government has no business in honoring it. Private citizens may do so in their own liberties. And artifacts can be placed in the numerous museums on the subject we already have.

[IAMX 3,055]

12 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Okay, let's talk ancestors for a moment. Your ancestor didn't own slaves - okay. But did he agree enough with the Confederacy to join in the fight, correct? What was his position on slavery? Do you have any ideas about that? What were his motivations in it all? Many don't care to know what their ancestors motivations were, but over the years they indoctrinate themselves that a group of treason seditionists were somehow heroic in heritage. You can find the lines blurred in textbooks to carefully skirt the issue so that no one's feel feels get hurt. Southern and some Christian-based textbooks need safe space information afterall...

 

I say this knowing very much what my own ancestors did and their position on the war. I made a point to find out. MD was a very conflicted and violent place during the Civil War (it still is.. you could say I live in a KKK loving Confederate town filled with vile people clutching their Confederate flags and screaming heritage but have no idea what that heritage seems to be when questioned). It was afterall the birthplace of the underground railroad. My maternal grandfather's ancestors were German-Dutch living with many god-fearing people opposed to slavery from all over the world who had been through absolute hell and had made a life for themselves on the border MD and with them they lived with my Irish paternal ancestors who were former slaves themselves. They were abolitionists, I believe because their past experiences had shaped in them the concept of liberty for all. The spirit they carried in the Revolutionary War, their later ancestors put into the Civil War as Unionists. On my paternal grandmother's side things were very different. Their experience abroad shaped in them I believe a hatred of mostly everyone and linked their financial survival with slavery - so I can find extensive records of what slaves and servants they owned, how they treated them, what mixed-race children they had by raping their slaves, how they used the Bible to try to justify their vile actions, and what happened to them in the Confederacy. There were few rebellious exceptions in that family, and when they were defeated and the war was over - they certainly were pretty fervent racists all the way to my grandfather. They had no problem telling you what it was all about and what it meant to them...and it wasn't anything noble. My maternal grandfather's stepfather's ancestors were also extremely racist and were slaveholders from the time they got on the boat by order of the King, for as long as they could after the Civil War. For them they were upper-rust dealers in the trade, truly thinking themselves superior to everyone else, and were some of the largest slaveholders in the state. In the branches that migrated to the south, they grew their empire of enslavement. A black body was worthless and subhuman to them. They were merely an object to use to make money.

 

To me there is nothing to be proud about in the Civil War. I am not proud of a single slaveholding ancestor, or an ancestor that fought for the Confederacy for any reason whatsoever. The flag is symbol of treason, murder, and a grave reminder of how poisonous the concept of slavery was - the rejection of the basic principles of our founders created (who also understood the powder keg this issue was and were too cowardly to stand fully on those principles). It is a symbol of how we nearly destroyed our country and slaughtered each other because of greed, jealousy, and hatred. It's a symbol of sin and has tainted and perpetuated all of the hatred that continues to exist in this country to this day. The south needs to find other things to be proud of. I'm sure they can find something if they look hard enough. Demographics are changing in the south, sorry that's problematic for you, but we do live in a free country and people can move where they please. Change isn't easy, but the old ways are dying out. There are plenty of 'true southerners' also sick of that flag and misplaced 'hero worship'. Government has no business in honoring it. Private citizens may do so in their own liberties. And artifacts can be placed in the numerous museums on the subject we already have.

The people flying the confederate flag don't sit there being proud of slaves and such from centuries ago. This is merely your own very one-sided views, and it gets way worse when you suggest the things in bold that you have no control over. More than anything it seems like something you need to get past. 

 

The left have a penchant for trying to use being offended by things to dictate the terms of expression for others and that's not how it works no matter how much you personally try to revise Southern culture to fit this demonic narrative. 

Edited May 15, 2017 by IAMX

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

16 minutes ago, Ban Hammer said:

should be an interesting discussion over free trade coffee  

Certified !

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

3 minutes ago, IAMX said:

The people flying the confederate flag don't sit there being proud of slaves and such from centuries ago. This is merely your own very one-sided views, and it gets way worse when you suggest the things in bold that you have no control over. More than anything it seems like something you need to get past. 

I doubt self help advice from you is going to help anyone,  you should be gentleman and apologize to Yuna.