Make no mistake. Trump will build that wall on the Mexican border

[MarkPerry 488]

7 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

i don't know much about the university side of things, but at elementary/middleschool/highschool -what i've been seeing the past 10 years with my son's experience - no bueno.

Put your son in a trade school.  We have massive labor shortage in trades.

[smilesammich 10,727]

Just now, OriZ said:

 

I am in favor of having a border, always have been and always will be. Now, if you read what I post in my thread which I know you don't, you realize I have quite a bit of criticism against some of Trump's plan and how much they are going to cost. We are easily looking at another $1 trillion to the deficit, I completely agree. However, that doesn't negate or change the fact a more serious obstacle is in need. I didn't say it has to be a massive wall. If the Israeli  taxpayers could foot the bill for the west bank barrier, you're looking at only 4 times the length here. Will he be able to get mexico to pay for it? Honestly I'm not going to pretend I know the outcome of that either way. He may or he may not. There are ways to make people pay for stuff without actually having them write you a check. Now, if he doesn't, and especially if he wants to lower taxes, again, the only way is increasing the deficit. I still don't understand how in principle anyone can be against having a border. Even for a cost.

we have a border.

i don't read your thread because i don't play the market. i'm working poor bro, i got nothin.

why are you trying to make this argument about having a border? we're talking about trump's vision of a great glorious wall to keep the brown at bay! stay on topic.

did the israeli or american taxpayers foot the bill for the west bank barrier?

 

[smilesammich 10,727]

3 minutes ago, MarkPerry said:

Put your son in a trade school.  We have massive labor shortage in trades.

 the trade schools closed down back when i was still in highschool. NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND means american children are too damn good to learn a 'trade'. they need college. and debt.

[OriZ 3,157]

4 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

we have a border.

i don't read your thread because i don't play the market. i'm working poor bro, i got nothin.

why are you trying to make this argument about having a border? we're talking about trump's vision of a great glorious wall to keep the brown at bay! stay on topic.

did the israeli or american taxpayers foot the bill for the west bank barrier?

 

It's not about "playing the market"...that actually has very little to do with it. It's about everything that I find to be very informative economically and politically. If you're working poor, that could help you too. And considering my original comment that you replied to was this:

 

"To be honest, while it doesn't necessarily have to be a HUUUGE WALLL...the way Trump has described it, I don't understand people's opposition to actually having a formidable obstacle at a border. I mean, it is a border isn't it? Unless you support open borders, which some, like val, do at least to a degree, isn't it common sense to at least have a decent fence at a sovereign country's border? "

 

I'm not now trying to now make any argument about having a border, in my initial comment you replied to I said it doesn't have to be a huge wall. So I was already making it clear then that I don't necessarily agree with his perceived vision. I say perceived because in reality we don't actually know yet what he's going to do, at times he's made comments and make it appear he's open to some of it not being a wall. Believe me, it was more than the Americans who footed the bill for the barrier, and that is why I brought up the fact he wants to lower taxes. Taxes in Israel are high, for a reason. There's alot of spending to be done. To you we may have a border but I don't call it a border. You can't seriously tell me that can be considered a serious border. Anyways here is a snippet from here:

 

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The answer is you can’t cut enough to increase military spending, introduce a $1 trillion infrastructure spending bill and cut taxes on top of that. So you must raise debt. Here’s the problem and it’s twofold:

First, the debt is already scheduled to increase going forward. According to the CBO it’s only a matter of time before we hit $30 trillion in debt and that’s with current spending plans. Deficits as far as the eye can see.

And much of these deficits are driven by pension gaps that keep eating holes into the federal budget. But of course discretionary budget items do their bidding as well. As do interest payments on the debt.

And this is all before the new team comes in and wants to introduce the items it has talked about. So the future is clear: Massive additional debt required.

Which brings us to the second part of the problem: Markets want it both ways: Increased deficit, excuse me, stimulus spending, and higher inflation as well.

This will cramp everybody’s style because higher rates require higher financing costs of debt which already run at a clip of $432B annually with close to record low rates. These payment obligations will inevitably rise as rates increase.

 

 

It is clear as day and I'd be the last to attempt to deny it. I actually have more to write but we're currently in WI so I've been unable to make much progress this week but I'm hoping by the end of the weekend.

[smilesammich 10,727]

39 minutes ago, OriZ said:

It's not about "playing the market"...that actually has very little to do with it. It's about everything that I find to be very informative economically and politically. If you're working poor, that could help you too. And considering my original comment that you replied to was this:

 

"To be honest, while it doesn't necessarily have to be a HUUUGE WALLL...the way Trump has described it, I don't understand people's opposition to actually having a formidable obstacle at a border. I mean, it is a border isn't it? Unless you support open borders, which some, like val, do at least to a degree, isn't it common sense to at least have a decent fence at a sovereign country's border? "

 

I'm not now trying to now make any argument about having a border, in my initial comment you replied to I said it doesn't have to be a huge wall. So I was already making it clear then that I don't necessarily agree with his perceived vision. I say perceived because in reality we don't actually know yet what he's going to do, at times he's made comments and make it appear he's open to some of it not being a wall. Believe me, it was more than the Americans who footed the bill for the barrier, and that is why I brought up the fact he wants to lower taxes. Taxes in Israel are high, for a reason. There's alot of spending to be done. To you we may have a border but I don't call it a border. You can't seriously tell me that can be considered a serious border. Anyways here is a snippet from here:

 

 

It is clear as day and I'd be the last to attempt to deny it. I actually have more to write but we're currently in WI so I've been unable to make much progress this week but I'm hoping by the end of the weekend.

i can seriously tell you we have a serious border. people die trying to cross it every day.

[millefleur 5,035]

4 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

i can seriously tell you we have a serious border. people die trying to cross it every day.

"Border reform" would've been a more sensible platform to run on but....it's just not as fashionable as that Trump Wall™!

[Póg mo 1,749]

4 hours ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/06/trumps-border-wall-with-mexico-will-happen.html

 

Just in case anyone was still doubting that the Republican Congress would be jumping to please President-elect Trump, several members of the House of Representatives are now working on ways to quickly build his promised Mexican border wall. And you can bet this is going to happen for one simple reason: For Trump and the Republicans, it's the political gift that keeps on giving. And it doesn't even matter who pays for it.

Something too many people have forgotten about the border wall is that the American people actually want it. They've wanted it for years. They're wanted it at least since President Bill Clinton starting to promise to improve border security with new barriers back in 1995.

With that support in mind, the fact that there's been so much partisan opposition to and "expert" derision of Trump's "build the wall" plan just goes to show how skewed and corrupt politics and political punditry has become in America.....Snip

How long before the media wise up to Trump and his continued use of Twitter to control the news cycle. Seriously I am so sick the Trump show, I just don't know how I can handle four years of his shenanigans.

 

 

[millefleur 5,035]

4 minutes ago, Póg mo said:

How long before the media wise up to Trump and his continued use of Twitter to control the news cycle. Seriously I am so sick the Trump show, I just don't know how I can handle four years of his shenanigans.

 

 

I hope Twitter jumps the shark and becomes "uncool"....if only.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

1 hour ago, Póg mo said:

How long before the media wise up to Trump and his continued use of Twitter to control the news cycle. Seriously I am so sick the Trump show, I just don't know how I can handle four years of his shenanigans.

 

 

Perhaps a DDS in patient program ? 

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

[ready4ONE 5,400]

The entire Trump promise to build a wall was stupid. Trump appears to me to be stupid, though some prefer the term Alpha. Not really a shock that the campaign promised Mexico would pay for said stupid wall but before even getting into office US taxpayers (of which dumb Donald Trump is not one, because he was smart to not pay them) are getting prepped for footing the bill.

 

Make America Great Again!

 

 

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

4 minutes ago, ready4ONE said:

The entire Trump promise to build a wall was stupid. Trump appears to me to be stupid, though some prefer the term Alpha. Not really a shock that the campaign promised Mexico would pay for said stupid wall but before even getting into office US taxpayers (of which dumb Donald Trump is not one, because he was smart to not pay them) are getting prepped for footing the bill.

 

Make America Great Again!

 

 

3 stupids one dumb and only One Alpha Male

 

You really bringing the heat. Boy I tell you what 

[OriZ 3,157]

2 hours ago, smilesammich said:

i can seriously tell you we have a serious border. people die trying to cross it every day.

 

Well ok then that is your take. But some believe it could be more secure, and my initial comment just meant I don't see how you could argue against having a secure border unless they hold an open border view.

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

7 hours ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/06/trumps-border-wall-with-mexico-will-happen.html

 

Just in case anyone was still doubting that the Republican Congress would be jumping to please President-elect Trump, several members of the House of Representatives are now working on ways to quickly build his promised Mexican border wall. And you can bet this is going to happen for one simple reason: For Trump and the Republicans, it's the political gift that keeps on giving. And it doesn't even matter who pays for it.

Something too many people have forgotten about the border wall is that the American people actually want it. They've wanted it for years. They're wanted it at least since President Bill Clinton starting to promise to improve border security with new barriers back in 1995.

With that support in mind, the fact that there's been so much partisan opposition to and "expert" derision of Trump's "build the wall" plan just goes to show how skewed and corrupt politics and political punditry has become in America.....Snip

 

 

It obviously doesn't matter to Trump anymore who pays for it, he doesn't pay taxes so why should he care !
The fiscal conservative don't care because they are the drooling Trump minions.

I care.
The majority of Americans do not want the Trump wall, sorry to disappoint you.

 

[eieio 1,594]

1 hour ago, Ebunoluwa said:

 

 

It obviously doesn't matter to Trump anymore who pays for it, he doesn't pay taxes so why should he care !
The fiscal conservative don't care because they are the drooling Trump minions.

I care.
The majority of Americans do not want the Trump wall, sorry to disappoint you.

 

What would you name the wall?