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[MarkPerry 488]

2 hours ago, Unidentified said:

Then why are you complaining about the economy? 

I didn't complain, I just don't like illegals stealing money and sending outside of the USA. 

 

 

[bcking 3,157]

2 hours ago, yuna628 said:

Oddball minorities? A president is president of all people. By definition that includes your oddball minority groups which is your words and not mine, because they are neither odd or small in number. But those ''oddballs'' have rights as any other person. Illegal aliens are here Mark. They've been here before Obama was president, and they've been given 'amnesty' in a variety of forms since before Obama was even in his mother's womb. They'll continue to be here after he leaves office, and will continue to be here when Trump leaves.

I wonder what else Mark thinks is illegal to be required to have? A drivers license and registration? Home, life, car insurances, licenses/bonded for business? A diploma? A seatbelt? Paying people wages? Obeying traffic laws and speed limits? Why do we have any laws at all? It's a good thing that it's not illegal to not have insurance then, as per the law.

bcking: I have to say though it's still not cut and dry about those who are not able to afford health insurance or decide not to have it. I used to be one of those persons, and it wasn't for any dumb or selfish reasons I assure you. I was seemingly young and fairly healthy, but ended up critically ill within days, and spent a week in a hospital. The bill was massive. There wasn't any magical negotiating it down (rofl people who think they can do that so easily are amusing). I paid it out of pocket as best as I could, under constant threat of collections. They didn't care I was paying it off each week, and they didn't care how terrible it was to have people threatening me down my back. Even after the bill was paid in full their employees continued to dispute it due to their error and not mine, leaving me hours of follow up work to resolve. I have had health insurance for quite a while now. It is a waste of my money and offers little benefit with a 10k deductible, high copays, and not much else. We forgot about quality of quantity. Its one thing to get 'everyone' covered, and quite another to saddle them with coverage that doesn't really help them when they need it. I spent over 300 in copays, and a back and forth to the clinic, and medication to resolve what was a simple strep throat - because the doctor insisted on giving me a new antibiotic I was not only allergic to, but did nothing for it. The strep turned into both strep and a chest infection, hives and swelling - which required more antibiotics and weeks of steroids to resolve. My since also spent about 500 going back and forth between her PC who felt she didn't need an antibiotic, two clinic visits, a return visit to her PC who admitted they goofed and resulted in a ruptured eardrum, myringitis, more medication, and now will most likely need to seek out an ENT. Believe me I am quite used to popping in to see a doctor with and without insurance - I haven't noticed an honest difference in cost. The hospital visit of course, but looking back with my deductible I'd actually have to shell out that same amount anyway!

I and my husband were very close to losing our insurance this month. The company pulled all previous plans and pushed us onto something new. The something new is barely better and we couldn't afford it. When it's a choice between money for food and electricity vs money for insurance. for a lot of Americans, it's not that we don't want insurance, it's that for survival reasons the penalty makes more fiscal sense.

And yes I know how it works in healthcare. How very often doctors are struggling to get patients to pay a bill, but even worse that the insurance companies that we're all supposed to be buying??? Will pay a doctor barely anything.. nearly to the point of complete writeoff. And we wonder why some doctors are quitting. They have bills and employees to pay too. There comes a point they can't do it anymore.

 

 

$700 now and they lowered our deductible to 5k, bless their tiny green souls. No... it's not affordable at all. His new job offers insurance, man... that thing is amazing. But it's all out of pocket. They won't pay a dime. $1400 a month? LOL. I don't even think we'd have enough money left over to buy matches for candles and a can of spam for dinner. ;-)

Completely agree, didn't mean to make it sound like people who get medical bills get off "free". Usually it's not even the hospital that hunts you down. They give the debt to some other company that then hunts you down. The hospital maybe makes 10% or less. If it's a public hospital, that's the government's loss. If it's a private hospital, they will just charge insurance companies more to make up the difference.

Honestly I think our system is completely broken and the only way to fix it and truly give everyone "coverage" (which I firmly believe in the 21st century should be a right of citizens living in a first world country) is to adopt a national system. Now I know that system has its own set of problems (and I know my pay would decrease substantially) but I would honestly rather start with a system that provides everyone coverage and then work on the problems that result, than to mess around with our screwed up expensive uneven system we have now. But I know I am more socialist leaning than a lot of people in this country so we'll never go there. Maybe one day I'll move to Norway.

[Ban Hammer 12,829]

4 hours ago, yuna628 said:

I wonder what else Mark thinks is illegal to be required to have? A drivers license and registration? Home, life, car insurances, licenses/bonded for business? A diploma? A seatbelt? Paying people wages? Obeying traffic laws and speed limits? Why do we have any laws at all? It's a good thing that it's not illegal to not have insurance then, as per the law.

a driver's license and registration are not required unless one has a car....
home insurance is not required if you have paid off your home.
there is no requirement for life insurance that i'm aware of........

[yuna628 9,527]

2 minutes ago, Ban Hammer said:

a driver's license and registration are not required unless one has a car....
home insurance is not required if you have paid off your home.
there is no requirement for life insurance that i'm aware of........

I'm going to assume that Mark would probably need to drive, and hopefully obey all laws in operating that vehicle as is the requirement. The point being that if you want to do certain things in this country, it will be a requirement that he do it. The insurance law states that you don't have to have insurance if you don't want to. But he will have to pay a tax, just as he pays taxes for lots of things to go into a pool he won't ever specifically use. If he has not 'paid off' his home, he will be required to have insurance. A great many Americans have home insurance in that manner, do they feel it is a burdensome requirement or illegal? Does he feel it illegal? I know you're trying to help him out here, but I think he knows the answer. I don't agree with the health care law as it stands, but it has been reviewed by the court, and it is, indeed legal. His definition of illegality matters little. Nothing is certain, so it said, but death and taxes.

[Póg mo 1,749]

5 hours ago, bcking said:

Completely agree, didn't mean to make it sound like people who get medical bills get off "free". Usually it's not even the hospital that hunts you down. They give the debt to some other company that then hunts you down. The hospital maybe makes 10% or less. If it's a public hospital, that's the government's loss. If it's a private hospital, they will just charge insurance companies more to make up the difference.

Honestly I think our system is completely broken and the only way to fix it and truly give everyone "coverage" (which I firmly believe in the 21st century should be a right of citizens living in a first world country) is to adopt a national system. Now I know that system has its own set of problems (and I know my pay would decrease substantially) but I would honestly rather start with a system that provides everyone coverage and then work on the problems that result, than to mess around with our screwed up expensive uneven system we have now. But I know I am more socialist leaning than a lot of people in this country so we'll never go there. Maybe one day I'll move to Norway.

I already pay a substantial portion of my income towards health insurance, or I should say my employer pays on my behalf. The fallacy that Americans have about paying taxes, versus paying extra for certain services is something that has always perplexed me. 

[jg121783 3,907]

10 hours ago, Unidentified said:

Yeah because creating more jobs, making sure everyone has healthcare and fighting for human rights is such an awful thing to do. How dare he! We need someone to ruin it all! 

Before I get to all of that let's talk about illegal aliens because it was already brought up in this thread. I am sure most of you like myself have either sponsored someone or have been sponsored for a visa to live in the US. We should all be outraged that millions of illegals can just come here no questions asked considering everything we have to go through to be united with our families.

We have to go through a year or longer process and pay thousands of dollars for various expenses. Our relative or relatives we are sponsoring have to go through background checks. They have to go through a medical exam to make sure they have no illnesses that would pose a threat to the public. Then we have to prove they will not need any government assistance.

Illegals on the other hand come here with dangerous illnesses such as drug resistant TB and there have even been some cases of leprosy. They are not required to go through a background check and many are aggravated felons who commit new offenses when they get here. They are not required to prove they won't need government assistance and many take government assistance. I am all for immigration but how is it fair and just that some people go through the long and expensive process and do things the legal way while others bypass the system and come here illegally and we look the other way?

 

Now let me address what I quoted. First of all Obama did not create more jobs. All he did is create a situation where Obamacare taxes on business are so high they converted some of their full time jobs to part time jobs to avoid the tax. So if you think two part time jobs are better than one full time job maybe you are right. Also he did nothing to bring manufacturing jobs back and has given speeches where he says flat out that manufacturing jobs aren't coming back and we just need to adapt. Trump has done more as president elect to bring manufacturing jobs back than Obama has done in 8 years.

Now let's talk about health care. Obama did not make sure more people have health care. What he did is change decent affordable health care plans for people who work full time into unaffordable high premium high deductable plans that cover less and if you can't afford it you get to pay thousands in tax penalties every year. All while health care costs continue to go up. As Mark noted health care in the Philippines is cheaper than it is here and in a lot of cases it meets the same standards as our health care does. I sent my wife to the dentist to have 3 teeth pulled and get implants to replace them. I paid $100 for everything. Try to have just one tooth pulled without an implant here for the same cost and your going to have a hard time. It cost me $10 to send my wife to the doctor for a checkup. Good luck doing that here.

Now let's talk about human rights. Our country is more divided because of Obama than it has been in a long time. Obama has supported racist hate groups such as La Raza (their motto is for the race everything for everyone else nothing) and black lives matter who advocate killing cops and beating up white people. I know some people believe only white people can be racist but that is simply not true. Also I am sure the people who have been murdered by the Syrian "rebels" (terrorists) who Obama supports and funds don't think he is a great human rights advocate.

[Unidentified 2,930]

6 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

Before I get to all of that let's talk about illegal aliens because it was already brought up in this thread. I am sure most of you like myself have either sponsored someone or have been sponsored for a visa to live in the US. We should all be outraged that millions of illegals can just come here no questions asked considering everything we have to go through to be united with our families.

We have to go through a year or longer process and pay thousands of dollars for various expenses. Our relative or relatives we are sponsoring have to go through background checks. They have to go through a medical exam to make sure they have no illnesses that would pose a threat to the public. Then we have to prove they will not need any government assistance.

Illegals on the other hand come here with dangerous illnesses such as drug resistant TB and there have even been some cases of leprosy. They are not required to go through a background check and many are aggravated felons who commit new offenses when they get here. They are not required to prove they won't need government assistance and many take government assistance. I am all for immigration but how is it fair and just that some people go through the long and expensive process and do things the legal way while others bypass the system and come here illegally and we look the other way?

 

Now let me address what I quoted. First of all Obama did not create more jobs. All he did is create a situation where Obamacare taxes on business are so high they converted some of their full time jobs to part time jobs to avoid the tax. So if you think two part time jobs are better than one full time job maybe you are right. Also he did nothing to bring manufacturing jobs back and has given speeches where he says flat out that manufacturing jobs aren't coming back and we just need to adapt. Trump has done more as president elect to bring manufacturing jobs back than Obama has done in 8 years.

Now let's talk about health care. Obama did not make sure more people have health care. What he did is change decent affordable health care plans for people who work full time into unaffordable high premium high deductable plans that cover less and if you can't afford it you get to pay thousands in tax penalties every year. All while health care costs continue to go up. As Mark noted health care in the Philippines is cheaper than it is here and in a lot of cases it meets the same standards as our health care does. I sent my wife to the dentist to have 3 teeth pulled and get implants to replace them. I paid $100 for everything. Try to have just one tooth pulled without an implant here for the same cost and your going to have a hard time. It cost me $10 to send my wife to the doctor for a checkup. Good luck doing that here.

Now let's talk about human rights. Our country is more divided because of Obama than it has been in a long time. Obama has supported racist hate groups such as La Raza (their motto is for the race everything for everyone else nothing) and black lives matter who advocate killing cops and beating up white people. I know some people believe only white people can be racist but that is simply not true. Also I am sure the people who have been murdered by the Syrian "rebels" (terrorists) who Obama supports and funds don't think he is a great human rights advocate.

Okay I am getting tired of discussing this so all I'm going to say is this: Columbus didn't exactly immigrate legally either. There are idiotic parents out there who doesn't vaccinate their children and put other children at risk of dangerous diseases that doesn't even exist in other countries. 

Obama didn't effect the cost of health care, the insurance companies do that. 

This country is divided because a KKK supporter is about to take over the White House. 

Okay, done for now. Too jet lagged for this. 

[jg121783 3,907]

3 minutes ago, Unidentified said:

Okay I am getting tired of discussing this so all I'm going to say is this: Columbus didn't exactly immigrate legally either. There are idiotic parents out there who doesn't vaccinate their children and put other children at risk of dangerous diseases that doesn't even exist in other countries. 

Obama didn't effect the cost of health care, the insurance companies do that. 

This country is divided because a KKK supporter is about to take over the White House. 

Okay, done for now. Too jet lagged for this. 

Back when Columbus came here their weren't extensive immigration laws that some people had to follow and others could side step without consequences. If you can tell me a way to bring my wife and step son here from the Philippines without going through the immigration process like many Mexicans do by walking across the border I'm listening. Your argument is comparing apples to oranges and has no merit.

Obama eliminated competition on the free market between insurance companies. He also made it the law that you have to buy their product. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out insurance companies can get away with charging more for their product under such a system. Obama doesn't get to say "well the insurance companies decided to charge more not me" when he handed them the system they needed to get away with it.

So Trump is a KKK member because he won't denounce every back woods KKK member by name 100 times while Hillary publicly supports the KKK leader Robert Byrd? I am still trying to figure out the mental gymnastics on that one.

I can tell you are jet lagged because your not making any logical sense here. Go get some sleep then maybe you can come back and make more coherent arguments.

[Unidentified 2,930]

29 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

Back when Columbus came here their weren't extensive immigration laws that some people had to follow and others could side step without consequences. If you can tell me a way to bring my wife and step son here from the Philippines without going through the immigration process like many Mexicans do by walking across the border I'm listening. Your argument is comparing apples to oranges and has no merit.

Obama eliminated competition on the free market between insurance companies. He also made it the law that you have to buy their product. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out insurance companies can get away with charging more for their product under such a system. Obama doesn't get to say "well the insurance companies decided to charge more not me" when he handed them the system they needed to get away with it.

So Trump is a KKK member because he won't denounce every back woods KKK member by name 100 times while Hillary publicly supports the KKK leader Robert Byrd? I am still trying to figure out the mental gymnastics on that one.

I can tell you are jet lagged because your not making any logical sense here. Go get some sleep then maybe you can come back and make more coherent arguments.

First of all: no I can't tell you how to bring your wife and step son here faster because even if I knew that would be against the TOS. 

My point is that all Americans are immigrants and suddenly everyone is so anti immigration. Lots of people come here because their situation in their home country is horrible. Most of your ancestors came here for the same reason. My husband's great grandmother had to flee from Finland because their family were to close to Stalin. People come here for different reasons and today no one has any sympathy for them. Yes, immigrating here legally is a long painful journey, but most of them doesn't have to come here because it's safer or better. 

Health system in this country is messed up and was messed up even before Obama. Probably the dumbest system in the world. 

I think you mean the former KKK leader Robert Byrd. 

 

[Ban Hammer 12,829]

2 hours ago, Unidentified said:

Obama didn't effect the cost of health care

 

correct.
but he did affect it. 

[OriZ 3,157]

13 hours ago, MarkPerry said:

I don't have heathcare. I find it illegal to require me to have insurance just because I am a US Citizen.   They are way too many people who don't work and get welfare that get free insurance.  Too many day labors who work for cash and get free health insurance.  Too many illegal aliens who have numerous anchor babies and they get free health insurance.

While hard working Americans pay high cost for insurance, or we pay the penalty.

 

 

 

 

 

12 hours ago, MarkPerry said:

I can afford it, I make a fairly large income. I just don't want to be required by a law that I see as unfair. So thus I don't pay.

For me I don't get sick, I do have a doc I can go see and get shot  or check out a bump or drain my knee if needed for around $100 per visit/procedure.   You have these fools who pay $300 per month for insurance and then they go see them and after insurance they still owe $100.     Medical gets cheap once you go on a cash payment

I do agree that right now premiums in America are high compared to the costs you still have with insurance here. That doesn't mean insurance is stupid or shouldn't exist, just that it needs to be improved. At times it's definitely not worth getting say the platinum but instead the gold, or for some the silver instead of gold, or even bronze, depending on what you expect your costs might be. But I'm sorry(no offense to any of the couples here) I wouldn't wanna go to the philippines for treatment. 

 

Regarding $100 for a doctor's visit that is ridiculous in the 21st century to pay that whether you have the money or not and at least over here I don't know of anybody who has insurance and pays that. I never paid that in my life, here or in Israel nor would I ever want to. I can accept if someone wants to take a lower premium plan and just pay more out of pocket or make payments if they end up in some serious peril but I don't agree with having no insurance, as bad as insurance is right now. And I do think it is bad, when you look at other countries.

[jg121783 3,907]

First of all: no I can't tell you how to bring your wife and step son here faster because even if I knew that would be against the TOS. 

Obviously I was using that as an example and was not literally asking you to tell me how to violate immigration laws. If you couldn't figure that out I don't know what to say.

 

 

My point is that all Americans are immigrants and suddenly everyone is so anti immigration. Lots of people come here because their situation in their home country is horrible. Most of your ancestors came here for the same reason. My husband's great grandmother had to flee from Finland because their family were to close to Stalin. People come here for different reasons and today no one has any sympathy for them. Yes, immigrating here legally is a long painful journey, but most of them doesn't have to come here because it's safer or better. 

I am not anti immigration.  I stated above that I am all for immigration. We need to stop people from bringing dangerous diseases here and at least treat these people before they enter the country though. We also need to stop violent criminals and terrorists from entering the country. We can't just have a free for all. Even in the days of Ellis Island everyone (even if they were fleeing a bad situation in their home country) was screened for diseases and they had to show they wouldn't be a financial burden on the country. I have sympathy for people leaving a bad situation in Mexico but I also don't want the spread of dangerous diseases in our country or violent criminals coming here. As far as coming here because things are "safer or better" I have to ask have you ever been to the Philippines? It is certainly safer and my many metrics better here than it is there. Does that mean my wife and step son can come here right away no questions asked? No. 

 

 

Health system in this country is messed up and was messed up even before Obama. Probably the dumbest system in the world. 

Agreed. But all Obamacare did is make a bad situation much worse. 

 

 

I think you mean the former KKK leader Robert Byrd. 

Former. Current. Does it really matter?

 

[jg121783 3,907]

19 minutes ago, OriZ said:

 

 But I'm sorry(no offense to any of the couples here) I wouldn't wanna go to the philippines for treatment. 

Some hospitals and clinics in the Philippines are modern with up to date technology and highly trained doctors and nurses. Some do not meet western standards. It depends which one you go to. All the dental and medical services I paid for for my wife were done in modern facilities by professional physicians for a fraction of the cost it would be here.

[OriZ 3,157]

18 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

Some hospitals and clinics in the Philippines are modern with up to date technology and highly trained doctors and nurses. Some do not meet western standards. It depends which one you go to. All the dental and medical services I paid for for my wife were done in modern facilities by professional physicians for a fraction of the cost it would be here.

Yeah I get that, I'll still pass....out of my comfort zone.

[yuna628 9,527]

3 hours ago, jg121783 said:

Before I get to all of that let's talk about illegal aliens because it was already brought up in this thread. I am sure most of you like myself have either sponsored someone or have been sponsored for a visa to live in the US. We should all be outraged that millions of illegals can just come here no questions asked considering everything we have to go through to be united with our families.

We have to go through a year or longer process and pay thousands of dollars for various expenses. Our relative or relatives we are sponsoring have to go through background checks. They have to go through a medical exam to make sure they have no illnesses that would pose a threat to the public. Then we have to prove they will not need any government assistance.

Illegals on the other hand come here with dangerous illnesses such as drug resistant TB and there have even been some cases of leprosy. They are not required to go through a background check and many are aggravated felons who commit new offenses when they get here. They are not required to prove they won't need government assistance and many take government assistance. I am all for immigration but how is it fair and just that some people go through the long and expensive process and do things the legal way while others bypass the system and come here illegally and we look the other way?

 

Now let me address what I quoted. First of all Obama did not create more jobs. All he did is create a situation where Obamacare taxes on business are so high they converted some of their full time jobs to part time jobs to avoid the tax. So if you think two part time jobs are better than one full time job maybe you are right. Also he did nothing to bring manufacturing jobs back and has given speeches where he says flat out that manufacturing jobs aren't coming back and we just need to adapt. Trump has done more as president elect to bring manufacturing jobs back than Obama has done in 8 years.

Now let's talk about health care. Obama did not make sure more people have health care. What he did is change decent affordable health care plans for people who work full time into unaffordable high premium high deductable plans that cover less and if you can't afford it you get to pay thousands in tax penalties every year. All while health care costs continue to go up. As Mark noted health care in the Philippines is cheaper than it is here and in a lot of cases it meets the same standards as our health care does. I sent my wife to the dentist to have 3 teeth pulled and get implants to replace them. I paid $100 for everything. Try to have just one tooth pulled without an implant here for the same cost and your going to have a hard time. It cost me $10 to send my wife to the doctor for a checkup. Good luck doing that here.

Now let's talk about human rights. Our country is more divided because of Obama than it has been in a long time. Obama has supported racist hate groups such as La Raza (their motto is for the race everything for everyone else nothing) and black lives matter who advocate killing cops and beating up white people. I know some people believe only white people can be racist but that is simply not true. Also I am sure the people who have been murdered by the Syrian "rebels" (terrorists) who Obama supports and funds don't think he is a great human rights advocate.

Some points here:

 

Outraged that persons are coming here illegally? Outraged is too strong a word for me. The fact is, our very broken system has allowed this to happen for some time. I would certainly support the deportation of those who are criminals and who came here to partake in criminal activity. But you're going to have a hard time trying to argue with me about children who were brought here through no fault of their own, and have grown up here. They are essentially as American as you or I am, and have nothing to go back to in their home countries. At the same time many of the persons that have come here, have done so out of desperation, because of violence and physical harm towards themselves and their children. These are the same types of desperate reasons that our own ancestors came to America for. If I trace back my ancestors they all came here for similar reasons - death, religious persecution, etc. There was little in place for them in terms of immigration law, and in some ways the system we had via Ellis Island was horrific. Our system is essentially hypocritical. It allows for loopholes and gray areas, and at the same time it provides no structure or assistance for those in these desperate situations. Do you think that these people would risk their lives and bodies every day to cross our borders, if they had an easier or legal method of coming across that provided them help from their desperation? What would you do in such a situation? We all know the options available for legal immigration in this country. And for most, none of those options are ever going to apply. We offer refugee status to those in the middle east and parts of Africa, but I don't believe we have ever thought to do so, for the places most associate illegal crossings. Even that notion would be unthinkable to some people. We simply can't get out of our cushy lives enough to imagine a world of pure poverty, starvation, desperation, and savage violence. We don't want to have empathy or care. We don't want to actually make the time or effort to think of creative ways to fix immigration. We are all pretty annoyed at the hoops we've had to jump through, the money we've shelled out, the humiliation, and ridiculousness of the system just to bring our spouses here - but for these people, they don't have that same type of luxury worth complaining about. I say luxury, because they probably wish that they could have the same options that we did.

 

You have mentioned diseases, and I have to say some of these instances you mention have been debunked or while 'scary-sounding' do not reveal the full truth of the situation. But a fair point has been raised here, regarding our own citizens which consider vaccinations ''junk science'', a ''personal liberty'' or a whole host of other things, that have actively caused infections in our populace. We put these people in a special sort of box, and try not to talk about it too much, because of lobbying groups and pushback from religious organizations. We have overdosed ourselves with unhealthy habits, antibiotics in our food supply, and at the same time have continued to allow our own citizens to put ourselves at risk. Diseases are returning not because of illegal immigrants (but they are at the same risks we are from our own people!), but from our own stupidity. We allow cigarettes to be a legal product in America, while decrying drugs - a known toxin that causes death, cancer, and disease to both smokers and non-smokers, and raises insurance and healthcare rates for everyone. We are increasingly prescribing opiates, and hooking millions of individuals on drugs a year, raising new generations of addicts. Heroin addiction and gun/gang/drug violence is exploding, and we're still arguing about pot. There is a lot in this country that needs to be fixed, but we always love being distracted arguing about the things that no one wants to fix.

 

Obama did not make healthcare plans more affordable. But neither were the healthcare plans of old, affordable to begin with, and there were aspects of those plans which did not provide proper services to the individuals who bought them or who were excluded from buying them. Essentially, insurances went from bad to worse. But neither wrong makes a right. The insurance system was broken to begin with and it will still continue to be broken afterwards.

1 hour ago, OriZ said:

 

I do agree that right now premiums in America are high compared to the costs you still have with insurance here. That doesn't mean insurance is stupid or shouldn't exist, just that it needs to be improved. At times it's definitely not worth getting say the platinum but instead the gold, or for some the silver instead of gold, or even bronze, depending on what you expect your costs might be. But I'm sorry(no offense to any of the couples here) I wouldn't wanna go to the philippines for treatment. 

 

Regarding $100 for a doctor's visit that is ridiculous in the 21st century to pay that whether you have the money or not and at least over here I don't know of anybody who has insurance and pays that. I never paid that in my life, here or in Israel nor would I ever want to. I can accept if someone wants to take a lower premium plan and just pay more out of pocket or make payments if they end up in some serious peril but I don't agree with having no insurance, as bad as insurance is right now. And I do think it is bad, when you look at other countries.

 

Absolutely agreed.