I NEED HELP ON MY NOIR

[Kofi1 3]

I need help, I have received my NOIR and the embassy is lying with some of the issues and I need help.

THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE SAYING

1. The beneficiary could not describe in detail the petitions life in U.S. He could not state what she does for work and could not name her supervisor

2. The beneficiary also could not name any of the petitioner' close friends or describe or what she does in her leisure time.

3.The beneficiary states that he has two children. Both of his children were born in Ghana. The children were born to two different women seven months apart in September of 2013 and April of 2014. Subsequent to the beneficiary's marriage to the petition.

These are the 3 question uscis is asking.

With regards to the interview I gave only one place she goes for shopping because I could hardly remember over there, and with regards to her best friend, I mentioned 1 name. On her job I gave her 5 types of work she does.

The children dates are 2012 and 2013 restive not 2014. These children are my relatives kids I have adopted them not through any legal documentation or means and I told them their my own kids but we did not file for them only mentioned their names on the documents as my kids. and I have added my names to theirs.

We called NVC that we have made mistake on the date of birth of the kids and the asked us to correct it at the embassy but they did not allowed it. After the interview the woman is angry already.

How should we answer this NOIR and they need some more prove of our relationship. Friends help

[Unlockable 7,306]

A huge mistake you made was claiming children that are not legally yours. If there was no official LEGAL adoption then they should not have been mentioned as your children. USCIS is very strict on adoption.

You can explain the situation but I would leave the whole "adoption" out of it and explain you are their guardian.

As far as you not know more details about your spouse, it is something you are going to have to work on with her.

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

I need help, I have received my NOIR and the embassy is lying with some of the issues and I need help.

THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE SAYING

1. The beneficiary could not describe in detail the petitions life in U.S. He could not state what she does for work and could not name her supervisor

2. The beneficiary also could not name any of the petitioner' close friends or describe or what she does in her leisure time.

3.The beneficiary states that he has two children. Both of his children were born in Ghana. The children were born to two different women seven months apart in September of 2013 and April of 2014. Subsequent to the beneficiary's marriage to the petition.

These are the 3 question uscis is asking.

With regards to the interview I gave only one place she goes for shopping because I could hardly remember over there, and with regards to her best friend, I mentioned 1 name. On her job I gave her 5 types of work she does.

The children dates are 2012 and 2013 restive not 2014. These children are my relatives kids I have adopted them not through any legal documentation or means and I told them their my own kids but we did not file for them only mentioned their names on the documents as my kids. and I have added my names to theirs.

We called NVC that we have made mistake on the date of birth of the kids and the asked us to correct it at the embassy but they did not allowed it. After the interview the woman is angry already.

How should we answer this NOIR and they need some more prove of our relationship. Friends help

First of all you can not enter the kids on the forms because you did not legally adopt them.

Not your kids, even if you just gave them your name. Where are their parents ?

I would address that in the NOIR and I recommend a lawyer to guide the petitioner on how to proceed with that mistake.

Since they aren't your biological kids the entire issue with the children and baby momma drama would fall away.

I guess you need their birth certificates, school records or whatever else to proof who the children's parents are.

Then on to the other issues, it can be stated that you knew the job, friends etc. and hopefully you can proof it with chats

about her friends, job and shopping if you have talked about it online in chats or emails find and submit them.

Some of her friends could write an affidavit that they know you if you met them online and perhaps have proof that you

interacted with them or were introduced to them.

Whatever you claim you know, prove it with evidence where possible.

If you still have the email to NVC where you asked them to correct the birth of the children you can use that also.

Petitioner should get an experienced immigration attorney who is very familiar with NOIR's.

If USCIS is not satisfied with the NOIR response the petition will be denied.

This does not seem like a do it yourself NOIR response, lawyer up.

[Kofi1 3]

Thanks a lot but can we continue with the original one because the date that my wife submitted to uscis when she was filling the case was 2012 not 2014 to avoid long legal processing process.

[IcezMan_IcezLady 582]

I think this is a common practice in Ghana which conflicts with how western cultures do their stuff.

Locally, you can call your siblings' children as your own because it shows that you love them like your own and you treat them as such.

Since this is a norm, we erroneously make such claims when it comes to dealing with US immigration.

People have called gf/bf as wife/husband.. Wives call their husband's brothers "husband". example junior husband or senior husband but sisters of husbands are called rightly as sisters-in-law.

That's just a little education.

So, even though it might seem like a big lie with regards to calling those kids as your own, it isn't , from our cultural point of view.

You will have to adopt them legally to be able to bring them to the US. So when you go to see a lawyer about responding to the NOIR, try and explain this cultural aspect so that he/she can effectively help you respond to that part.

Good luck to you!

How long did it take for you to get the NOIR since the interview?

[Caykay1 71]

I need help, I have received my NOIR and the embassy is lying with some of the issues and I need help.

THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE SAYING

1. The beneficiary could not describe in detail the petitions life in U.S. He could not state what she does for work and could not name her supervisor

2. The beneficiary also could not name any of the petitioner' close friends or describe or what she does in her leisure time.

3.The beneficiary states that he has two children. Both of his children were born in Ghana. The children were born to two different women seven months apart in September of 2013 and April of 2014. Subsequent to the beneficiary's marriage to the petition.

These are the 3 question uscis is asking.

With regards to the interview I gave only one place she goes for shopping because I could hardly remember over there, and with regards to her best friend, I mentioned 1 name. On her job I gave her 5 types of work she does.

The children dates are 2012 and 2013 restive not 2014. These children are my relatives kids I have adopted them not through any legal documentation or means and I told them their my own kids but we did not file for them only mentioned their names on the documents as my kids. and I have added my names to theirs.

We called NVC that we have made mistake on the date of birth of the kids and the asked us to correct it at the embassy but they did not allowed it. After the interview the woman is angry already.

How should we answer this NOIR and they need some more prove of our relationship. Friends help

you have complicated yourself with the adoption. HUGE MISTAKE. You have a tough battle ahead of with with the adoption lies.

[Caykay1 71]

I think this is a common practice in Ghana which conflicts with how western cultures do their stuff.

Locally, you can call your siblings' children as your own because it shows that you love them like your own and you treat them as such.

Since this is a norm, we erroneously make such claims when it comes to dealing with US immigration.

People have called gf/bf as wife/husband.. Wives call their husband's brothers "husband". example junior husband or senior husband but sisters of husbands are called rightly as sisters-in-law.

That's just a little education.

So, even though it might seem like a big lie with regards to calling those kids as your own, it isn't , from our cultural point of view.

You will have to adopt them legally to be able to bring them to the US. So when you go to see a lawyer about responding to the NOIR, try and explain this cultural aspect so that he/she can effectively help you respond to that part.

Good luck to you!

How long did it take for you to get the NOIR since the interview?

I understand your point perfectly but also remember things have changed drastically in this modern world. People can't commit such mistakes on legal and or official documents. I wonder where they're from because I knew for a very long time that claiming children through any immigrant calls for DNA. In the eyes of a western country, it's a big mistake/lie. I hope they can overcome such obstacle. We all need to be with our lovers/spouses.

I think this is a common practice in Ghana which conflicts with how western cultures do their stuff.

Locally, you can call your siblings' children as your own because it shows that you love them like your own and you treat them as such.

Since this is a norm, we erroneously make such claims when it comes to dealing with US immigration.

People have called gf/bf as wife/husband.. Wives call their husband's brothers "husband". example junior husband or senior husband but sisters of husbands are called rightly as sisters-in-law.

That's just a little education.

So, even though it might seem like a big lie with regards to calling those kids as your own, it isn't , from our cultural point of view.

You will have to adopt them legally to be able to bring them to the US. So when you go to see a lawyer about responding to the NOIR, try and explain this cultural aspect so that he/she can effectively help you respond to that part.

Good luck to you!

How long did it take for you to get the NOIR since the interview?

I understand your point perfectly but also remember things have changed drastically in this modern world. People can't commit such mistakes on legal and or official documents. I wonder where they're from because I knew for a very long time that claiming children through any immigrant calls for DNA. In the eyes of a western country, it's a big mistake/lie. I hope they can overcome such obstacle. We all need to be with our lovers/spouses.

[bdawn 66]

I think this is a common practice in Ghana which conflicts with how western cultures do their stuff.

Locally, you can call your siblings' children as your own because it shows that you love them like your own and you treat them as such.

Since this is a norm, we erroneously make such claims when it comes to dealing with US immigration.

People have called gf/bf as wife/husband.. Wives call their husband's brothers "husband". example junior husband or senior husband but sisters of husbands are called rightly as sisters-in-law.

That's just a little education.

So, even though it might seem like a big lie with regards to calling those kids as your own, it isn't , from our cultural point of view.

You will have to adopt them legally to be able to bring them to the US. So when you go to see a lawyer about responding to the NOIR, try and explain this cultural aspect so that he/she can effectively help you respond to that part.

Good luck to you!

How long did it take for you to get the NOIR since the interview?

It may be consistent with the culture or norms to call your siblings children "your own." However, there is nothing in the culture that indicates you can put the children on the immigration forms as "your own." This wasn't a mistake; it was purposeful and intentional to help the children get immigration benefit down the road by listing them now- something they aren't entitled to since they are neither his biological children nor adopted children. He didn't know this wasn't possible and was caught. I hope he finds a lawyer who is able to put him on the right path to overcome something that is likely a material representation.

[IcezMan_IcezLady 582]

It may be consistent with the culture or norms to call your siblings children "your own." However, there is nothing in the culture that indicates you can put the children on the immigration forms as "your own." This wasn't a mistake; it was purposeful and intentional to help the children get immigration benefit down the road by listing them now- something they aren't entitled to since they are neither his biological children nor adopted children. He didn't know this wasn't possible and was caught. I hope he finds a lawyer who is able to put him on the right path to overcome something that is likely a material representation.

I like to give people the benefit of doubt.

How do you know that he did it this with malicious intent?

What if he is has been playing the role of "legal guardian" all this while? You don't have to be the biological parent to someone in other to get immigration benefit for the child(ren).

He just have to adopt those children legally and he will be good to go.

I won't accuse a man of a crime without proof. You shouldn't.

Now, i don't know about the rest of his case but based on this part alone, i would like to believe he didn't know.

Edited December 5, 2016 by IcezMan_IcezLady

[IcezMan_IcezLady 582]

It may be consistent with the culture or norms to call your siblings children "your own." However, there is nothing in the culture that indicates you can put the children on the immigration forms as "your own." This wasn't a mistake; it was purposeful and intentional to help the children get immigration benefit down the road by listing them now- something they aren't entitled to since they are neither his biological children nor adopted children. He didn't know this wasn't possible and was caught. I hope he finds a lawyer who is able to put him on the right path to overcome something that is likely a material representation.

there's no "immigration form" in our culture..unless you have seen one.

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

Thanks a lot but can we continue with the original one because the date that my wife submitted to uscis when she was filling the case was 2012 not 2014 to avoid long legal processing process.

I have no idea what you are talking about in this comment. Please clarify in a more detailed post.

[Kofi1 3]

I think this is a common practice in Ghana which conflicts with how western cultures do their stuff.

Locally, you can call your siblings' children as your own because it shows that you love them like your own and you treat them as such.

Since this is a norm, we erroneously make such claims when it comes to dealing with US immigration.

People have called gf/bf as wife/husband.. Wives call their husband's brothers "husband". example junior husband or senior husband but sisters of husbands are called rightly as sisters-in-law.

That's just a little education.

So, even though it might seem like a big lie with regards to calling those kids as your own, it isn't , from our cultural point of view.

You will have to adopt them legally to be able to bring them to the US. So when you go to see a lawyer about responding to the NOIR, try and explain this cultural aspect so that he/she can effectively help you respond to that part.

Good luck to you!

How long did it take for you to get the NOIR since the interview?

Thanks bro. It took USCIS 12 month to send us the NOIR.

[Kofi1 3]

I have no idea what you are talking about in this comment. Please clarify in a more detailed post.

I was saying in case I don't tell them their are not my biological children but tell them there was an oversight on the issue of the date of birth and used the USCIS original documents we filled at first which correctly gives their correct date of birth.

And there with reference with the NVC on the date issue we didn't send them an email, we called them.

[bdawn 66]

there's no "immigration form" in our culture..unless you have seen one.

I don't know where you're getting this idea from. You're obviosly confused by the choice of words and manner of expressions. I never said there is "immigration form" in the culture.

[ffness22 0]

It may be consistent with the culture or norms to call your siblings children "your own." However, there is nothing in the culture that indicates you can put the children on the immigration forms as "your own." This wasn't a mistake; it was purposeful and intentional to help the children get immigration benefit down the road by listing them now- something they aren't entitled to since they are neither his biological children nor adopted children. He didn't know this wasn't possible and was caught. I hope he finds a lawyer who is able to put him on the right path to overcome something that is likely a material misrepresentation.