NRA board member blames pastor for Charleston deaths

[lostinblue 1,989]

When I was a young boy, almost every home I visited had an unlocked gun cabinet. In high school, most guys had a rifle in their truck. Kids brought guns to school for show and tell. Oddly enough we never had any shootings.

So what has changed. Guns are more restricted but we have more gun violance

What's changed. Hint for slow people. It isn't the guns

The thug culture

[decocker 7,198]

well that didn't take too terribly long..

[Not a Tailor 1,370]

So, true story, I grew up in a Canadian gun-owning family, in the middle of the boondocks. I still have never once seen my stepfather's guns. They were kept locked up in a hidden place in the house, with trigger locks in locked cases. The ammunition was hidden in another part of the house, in a lockbox. I never knew where either gun or ammo was. In my community, most families probably owned guns or had access to them. I never knew a single person who died or was even injured by a gun. There were no guns accidents.

I once dated a boy from Oklahoma, however. His family kept guns for home protection, unlocked and loaded in case of emergency. His father brought home an adorable baby raccoon that had lost its mama. He ended up bottle raising the raccoon, my Oklahoma boyfriend, and it slept on his pillow and brought all its shiny treasures under his pillow. One day they saw the raccoon reaching for the nice, shiny handgun and his dad immediately locked the guns into a desk drawer for safety. The raccoon saw this and, in the middle of the night that night, my Oklahoma boyfriend woke up to a gun going off six inches from his head, discharged into his pillow. The raccoon had unlocked the desk drawer to get the shiny gun and bring it to his shiny cache.

My ex could have been a statistic had the raccoon shot six inches to the left. It could have been his head and not the pillow exploding. That he wasn't was a damn miracle.

Most of the people killed by privately owned firearms in America are killed in idiotic accidents like 'the raccoon stole my gun' (admittedly it's usually a toddler or a teenager, not a raccoon), not 'the mass murderer came to my school or church today.' Gun deaths should be rare, even if everyone owns one. That they're not says a lot about the way firearms are handled and considered by Americans. They're not a powerful weapon, they're considered no more dangerous than an alarm system. And that's why there's a problem.

[TBoneTX 43,020]

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Edited June 20, 2015 by TBoneTX

[lostinblue 1,989]

well that didn't take too terribly long..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjzLdTGNKkg

[decocker 7,198]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjzLdTGNKkg

not to be rude but i'm not going to watch that. try and take a step out of yourself and think about the fact that ONE person pulled the trigger repeatedly and killed nine people in a church. no one else. the pastor didn't murder these people, 'white people' didn't kill them, 'black people' didn't kill them. seriously, makes no sense to use your typical 'black people suck' argument with this one.

[decocker 7,198]

The thug culture

i think it's important to remember that the people who were murdered appear to be the strict sort of 'turn the other cheek' christians. that's why the whole gun debate is really dumb to have concerning this church. obviously nonviolence and humility were their highest ideals. gun nuts are screaming like everyone should be forced to own and carry a weapon, that's the only way we'll all be safe. people do have the right to not carry if it doesn't align with their ideals..and choosing not to carry does not mean that one is more deserving of a violent death.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

not to be rude but i'm not going to watch that. try and take a step out of yourself and think about the fact that ONE person pulled the trigger repeatedly and killed nine people in a church. no one else. the pastor didn't murder these people, 'white people' didn't kill them, 'black people' didn't kill them. seriously, makes no sense to use your typical 'black people suck' argument with this one.

It's all he's got. He's got nothing beyond that. Not a damn thing.

[lostinblue 1,989]

not to be rude but i'm not going to watch that. try and take a step out of yourself and think about the fact that ONE person pulled the trigger repeatedly and killed nine people in a church. no one else. the pastor didn't murder these people, 'white people' didn't kill them, 'black people' didn't kill them. seriously, makes no sense to use your typical 'black people suck' argument with this one.

So what has changed. Guns are more restricted but we have more gun violance

What's changed. Hint for slow people. It isn't the guns

I was responding to what NB posted

29 shot, 9 dead in bloody Memorial Day weekend in Baltimore

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/05/26/2-shot-dead-in-bloody-memorial-day-weekend-in-baltimore-capping-off-deadliest/.

So why were this many people were shot that weekend . Mostly black folks .You say I am racist for what I talk about. This black man says the same thing I have been posting on this forum . Watch it if you are not afraid of learning something outside of your narrow views of the world. . Be warned though .. He talks about the thug culture and guns. .. Of course you will claim he is a white person wearing a black face . Just like all the folks rioting in Ferguson . As was claimed on this forum .

[decocker 7,198]

So what has changed. Guns are more restricted but we have more gun violance

What's changed. Hint for slow people. It isn't the guns

I was responding to what NB posted

29 shot, 9 dead in bloody Memorial Day weekend in Baltimore

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/05/26/2-shot-dead-in-bloody-memorial-day-weekend-in-baltimore-capping-off-deadliest/.

So why were this many people were shot that weekend . Mostly black folks .You say I am racist for what I talk about. This black man says the same thing I have been posting on this forum . Watch it if you are not afraid of learning something outside of your narrow views of the world. . Be warned though .. He talks about the thug culture and guns. .. Of course you will claim he is a white person wearing a black face . Just like all the folks rioting in Ferguson . As was claimed on this forum .

and i was talking to you.

damn dude, marvin called it last night. you might at least try not to be so predictable. if you're not going to have a conversation about the incident at hand, i'm done talking to you. further, if you're going to put words in my mouth (that i've never come close to saying) it only reinforces what big dog said above, you're full of it and you've got nothing.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

When I was a young boy, almost every home I visited had an unlocked gun cabinet. In high school, most guys had a rifle in their truck. Kids brought guns to school for show and tell. Oddly enough we never had any shootings.

So what has changed. Guns are more restricted but we have more gun violance

What's changed. Hint for slow people. It isn't the guns

Actually it is the guns.

We have become a society that has become obsessed with firearms. To the point that some people can't even leave their homes without having a couple of weapons strapped to their own bodies. Guns aren't more restricted, if that were true we wouldn't have people killing their whole families and then offing themselves. Folks aren't about using their brains or even fists to resolve issues. It's pretty much kill or be killed, even when it's not. Not to mention guns are nothing what they were like 30 years ago. They're bigger and more destructive. Also, guns are idolized. In movies, books, tv. Every rapper that folks claim made the thug culture, those dude's model for it? Capone, Gotti, Scarface. It goes back decades.

The problem is, we care more about owning guns than saving lives. Because now, it's I need a gun to protect myself and family. Folks are more than willing to accept the bloodshed, as long as it doesn't end up on their doorstep and infringes on their rights. That's why it's a shame that so many people die in these instances, and we can't even have a decent conversation about gun control.

The thug culture

There's no point talking about this with you.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

and i was talking to you.

damn dude, marvin called it last night. you might at least try not to be so predictable. if you're not going to have a conversation about the incident at hand, i'm done talking to you. further, if you're going to put words in my mouth (that i've never come close to saying) it only reinforces what big dog said above, you're full of it and you've got nothing.

It's what they do to tell themselves it's not an issue in "their" community. Lib can't talk about this without interjecting something about black people into it simply because he lacks empathy for anything darker than a suntan.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

The thug culture

You do realize gun culture was around before the so called "thug culture." The Wild West ring any bells to you? Gun slingers? That thug below sure doesn't look black. By the way, when are we meeting again? You keep dodging me. Trying to meet you in real life.

Billy the Kid

[Sousuke 1,214]

In the last couple posts I noticed the statement "gun violence has been increasing". I just want to remind everyone that its been decreasing since 1993 at a pretty steady rate. The only thing that has been increasing is the rate of high profile killings.

I also don't agree that guns are bigger and more destructive than in the past. Firearms technology hasn't really improved much since say the 1960s. In fact, if you look at how firearms have progressed in the last 30s years the focus has been on making them smaller and lighter.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Actually it is the guns.

We have become a society that has become obsessed with firearms. To the point that some people can't even leave their homes without having a couple of weapons strapped to their own bodies. Guns aren't more restricted, if that were true we wouldn't have people killing their whole families and then offing themselves. Folks aren't about using their brains or even fists to resolve issues. It's pretty much kill or be killed, even when it's not. Not to mention guns are nothing what they were like 30 years ago. They're bigger and more destructive. Also, guns are idolized. In movies, books, tv. Every rapper that folks claim made the thug culture, those dude's model for it? Capone, Gotti, Scarface. It goes back decades.

The problem is, we care more about owning guns than saving lives. Because now, it's I need a gun to protect myself and family. Folks are more than willing to accept the bloodshed, as long as it doesn't end up on their doorstep and infringes on their rights. That's why it's a shame that so many people die in these instances, and we can't even have a decent conversation about gun control.

There's no point talking about this with you.

Actually it isn't the guns.