Foreign State Chargeability

[Boiler 43,423]

Did not say it was.

[Jakartadream 0]

Lovely !

[SusieQQQ 11,584]

I'm sceptical too...I'm still not convinced she is even allowed to choose different chargeability as she was born in an eligible country.

[jan22 2,898]

One question that nobody has asked -- if it's in a post and I missed it, sorry. But -- what nation's passport does she carry? Since she cannot, according to the OP, qualify for UAE citizenship, does she have a Dutch passport? IF so, I suspect there won't be a problem.

[SusieQQQ 11,584]

One question that nobody has asked -- if it's in a post and I missed it, sorry. But -- what nation's passport does she carry? Since she cannot, according to the OP, qualify for UAE citizenship, does she have a Dutch passport? IF so, I suspect there won't be a problem.

Makes absolutely no difference what passports she holds, or doesn't, or what citizenship or nationality she has, or doesn't. Completely irrelevant for DV. All that matters is that she was charged to the correct country which is usually birth, but she didn't put that, so she needs to jump through hoops now to try convince a CO that even though she was born in an eligible country she can cross charge to another with its own second set of hoops in terms of proof of temporary stay.

[jan22 2,898]

Makes absolutely no difference what passports she holds, or doesn't, or what citizenship or nationality she has, or doesn't. Completely irrelevant for DV. All that matters is that she was charged to the correct country which is usually birth, but she didn't put that, so she needs to jump through hoops now to try convince a CO that even though she was born in an eligible country she can cross charge to another with its own second set of hoops in terms of proof of temporary stay.

You're correct, but a Dutch passport would add credence to why she used the Netherlands if there is going to be any chance of her application moving forward. My last statement was a bit optimistic in re-reading it, but I still think her only hope of jumping through those hoops you mention is if she's been documented as a Dutch citizen. If, for example, she's documented as a Lebanese citizen because of her father, I think she's dead in the water for trying to convincing anyone there was a clear, compelling reason to have listed herself as having a claim for chargeability under the Netherlands.

[SusieQQQ 11,584]

You're correct, but a Dutch passport would add credence to why she used the Netherlands if there is going to be any chance of her application moving forward. My last statement was a bit optimistic in re-reading it, but I still think her only hope of jumping through those hoops you mention is if she's been documented as a Dutch citizen. If, for example, she's documented as a Lebanese citizen because of her father, I think she's dead in the water for trying to convincing anyone there was a clear, compelling reason to have listed herself as having a claim for chargeability under the Netherlands.

With respect, I don't think you understand how the claim is proven for DV. When I say passports and citizenship has absolutely nothing to do with it, it means exactly that. They do not care about that. It does not form any part of the process in how to establish chargeability. It could even be counter-productive, resulting in a response of "oh boy, another one who didn't read the rules properly and is using citizenship" and instant denial.

The rules are clear about how to establish chargeability for DV. The only way to do that is by (1) first having to convince the CO that even though she was born in an eligible country she can use another (this contradicts some of the wording on the DV instructions so she may not even get beyond this); then if she gets over that hurdle, (2) she has to prove her parents were temporarily in the country she was born in and not working for a local company while there. That's it. She can wave all the passports around that she wants to, it will make absolutely no difference.

Many people have received DVs based on countries they have never been citizens of but were born in..which is what the criterion is.

Edited May 10, 2015 by SusieQQQ

[Jakartadream 0]

She holds a Dutch passport......

[SusieQQQ 11,584]

She holds a Dutch passport......

Completely and utterly irrelevant.

[Ryan H 3,790]

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[Jakartadream 0]

Just wanted to let everyone know that my sister in law did in fact receive her visa as of two days ago.

She had her interview back in March and was immediately placed on AP with passport given back to her. The interviewer mentioned he would have to refer back to D.C. to get clarification. She brought the passports of her parents at the time of her birth which had the work visas in it, her current passport, birth certificate, police certificates, medical, and also the printed out rules on chargeability.

Nothing happened at all in the case. Honestly, we had given up that it would go through as discussed above in Depth. she emailed the embassy about two weeks ago as the September 30th deadline was coming....they replied saying the case was complete and surprise surprise they asked for her to submit her passport and updated medical. Passport in hand she's ready to go !

[SusieQQQ 11,584]

I can't remember all the details of this case and too lazy to read back through the whole thread but clearly having the parents' passports with work visas was enough proof for them - eventually!! judging by the time it took - happy she has her visa and can join her family!

[Jakartadream 0]

Yeah , I think the passport was it as well! She mentioned to me in Abu Dubai they do a two part interview. First part is a document check, basic questions. In this part , they wanted to reject her, but she had the rules with her, which was enough to push her to talk the consular officer . Good luck to anyone doing the chargeabilty route. Will try my best to answer any questions as there is not a whole

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