Has CEHST become a thinly disguised hate forum?

[spookyturtle 9,465]

And yet when it's a white person killing other white people, we don't call it white on white crime. Why is that?

I think it is because the statistics are so out of proportion for crimes vs percentage of population. If blacks only committed 13% of the murders instead of 50%, and so on, it might be looked upon in a different light. But as you have said, this didn't happen overnight. The problem is deep rooted and has been ongoing for several decades and there are a number of contributing factors. And what is happening in Baltimore now and what happened in Ferguson just adds fuel to the fire.

[Dakine10 5,452]

But oddly those who post 90% of stories in the other direction get a free pass

What you perceive as a free pass is actually caused by the fact that the event's occur only in your imagination.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I think it is because the statistics are so out of proportion for crimes vs percentage of population. If blacks only committed 13% of the murders instead of 50%, and so on, it might be looked upon in a different light. But as you have said, this didn't happen overnight. The problem is deep rooted and has been ongoing for several decades and there are a number of contributing factors. And what is happening in Baltimore now and what happened in Ferguson just adds fuel to the fire.

And yet, when white people go on rampages, it's treated as isolated incidents. A black person robs a store, black on black crime. That's my problem.

From the beginning, it's been an uphill battle. Over 400 years of being classified as not fully human, and another 50 plus years of segregation has done a massive amount of damage that doesn't get wiped away in 50 plus years. The self loathing and self destructive nature that's exhibited within some black people stems from that.

I don't blame racism for all of black people problems, but it's got a pretty heavy hand in it. You don't oppress an entire people for that long and really think taking the chains off would just automatically make things right.

[Boiler 43,419]

And yet, when white people go on rampages, it's treated as isolated incidents. A black person robs a store, black on black crime. That's my problem.

From the beginning, it's been an uphill battle. Over 400 years of being classified as not fully human, and another 50 plus years of segregation has done a massive amount of damage that doesn't get wiped away in 50 plus years. The self loathing and self destructive nature that's exhibited within some black people stems from that.

I don't blame racism for all of black people problems, but it's got a pretty heavy hand in it. You don't oppress an entire people for that long and really think taking the chains off would just automatically make things right.

Excellent summation of why there is a problem and will always be one.

[Dakine10 5,452]

Well, it isn't so much that they come here to express their racist views that I find particularly puzzling, it's that they have such views to begin with. It doesn't make sens to me that someone who is so anti-foreigner, pro-white, anti-immigration, etc turns around and marries such a person belonging to a group they hate so much. Sure, if one is a white supremecist and marries a white person, no surprise there, but this? One thing that the hate forums and most of us would agree upon is the seemingly peculiarity of such a person.

Most of what I've seen here I would not describe as supremacism. It is bigotry directed mostly at two specific groups.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

And yet, when white people go on rampages, it's treated as isolated incidents. A black person robs a store, black on black crime. That's my problem.

From the beginning, it's been an uphill battle. Over 400 years of being classified as not fully human, and another 50 plus years of segregation has done a massive amount of damage that doesn't get wiped away in 50 plus years. The self loathing and self destructive nature that's exhibited within some black people stems from that.

I don't blame racism for all of black people problems, but it's got a pretty heavy hand in it. You don't oppress an entire people for that long and really think taking the chains off would just automatically make things right.

It has been a battle for hundreds of years and I have no idea what that is like. For now, whites are the majority and whites do commit a boatload of crime, but I would expect 70% of the population to commit 70% of the murders. I would expect them to be the majority in prison and just about everywhere else. But the 50% murder rate for blacks is so lopsided as is the prison percentages. Some of that is each individual's responsibility. Don't kill anyone. Don't commit crimes and you won't go to prison.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

I'm out. I'll catch you guys tomorrow. Have a good night.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

It has been a battle for hundreds of years and I have no idea what that is like. For now, whites are the majority and whites do commit a boatload of crime, but I would expect 70% of the population to commit 70% of the murders. I would expect them to be the majority in prison and just about everywhere else. But the 50% murder rate for blacks is so lopsided as is the prison percentages. Some of that is each individual's responsibility. Don't kill anyone. Don't commit crimes and you won't go to prison.

And where do you think this stems from?

Look, I'm all about personal responsibility, but it's really not a fair discussion when you look at where we started from. Why do you think there is such apathy within certain parts of the black community? What other race of people here in the US have been taught to hate themselves to the point self destruction is almost a daily occurrence? Why do you think the murder rate, crime rate, poverty rate is paramount for black people?

At no point in American history black people were on the same level as white people. When the chains came off, it still wasn't fair because you had segregation to deal with. You can't spend five centuries systematically destroying a race a people then sit back and say, gee, I wonder why they kill each other? They weren't taught how to build businesses, they couldn't own land, they couldn't receive a good education. Not to mention the ideology that we're inferior to you, which still creeps into people's thought process even today...

I'll say that things are way better than they were 40 years ago for sure, but a lot of that killing and committing crime comes from systematic poverty, no education, no job skills. When you've been raised in an environment that has told you from birth your life isn't worth that of a white person, when killing animals gets you more jail time than killing a black person, when your family has spent the last 3 decades in the slums, it's not so easy to say shake it off and move on. Some do, others aren't so lucky...

[Boiler 43,419]

What a load of bollocks.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

What a load of bollocks.

Then dispute it. Show me a time when black people earned the same amount as their white counterparts.

Edited April 28, 2015 by Stay Woke

[Operator 1,925]

Hey Operator. Good to hear from you. SInce you asked, I'd be happy to share my opinion with you.

Here's my thing. What bothers me is the people who are obsessed about black people and the like only want to discuss it as a negative aspect of our society. Like Teddy said, we hate when we hear black community because it's only used in the most negative of circumstances. Like the Baltimore riots, for example. Look at the comments, then go look at the pumpkin riots from last year. Completely different reaction. We all know why, but this is just one example. It's frustrating to hear day in and day out that we talk about race, only to have those same folks bring it up every single day. Yet if myself or Janelle point this out, we're in the wrong. What's even funnier? We get told we're just as bad if we make fun of those people talking about how we're destroying America or how our people amount to feces.

Racism can only be done by the majority of those in power. Anyone can be racist, but racism is the system in which people are oppressed. White people here are the majority, and in most positions of power. So in theory, you tend to get the blame. But I know that all white people aren't racist, not by a long shot. When I comment, I'm talking to those few people who make such bigoted comments, not anyone else. Unlike them, I have no issues calling them racist to their faces.

I may disagree with the definitions you are using but I agree with what you are saying. I think racism is a belief and not a system and that racism can be found in all demographics not just the majority but thats just a disagreement on language. My wife says i'm too black and white (no pun intended) and that things can't be determined that cleanly.

Since I've moved I see the US from a different perspective and it's abundantly clear to the outside world that the US has a huge race problem. I've been asked several times why the US elected a black president when seems by all the police shootings and riots that Americans are against black people. I try to explain that the media makes things out to be worse than they are but I'm beginning to wonder. It's sad to see the state of things and until people start treating people like people its not gonna get any better.

As to what Mr. Turtle originally posted, I think this forum has become a thinly disguised hate forum, hate for the opposing view. It has become tiresome and predictable and so I have chosen not to post as often. I don't blame the moderators for this I blame people who think their views are the right views to the extent that all other views are wrong. We've all heard it "Opinions are like butth0les, we've all got one.." you know the rest.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I may disagree with the definitions you are using but I agree with what you are saying. I think racism is a belief and not a system and that racism can be found in all demographics not just the majority but thats just a disagreement on language. My wife says i'm too black and white (no pun intended) and that things can't be determined that cleanly.

Since I've moved I see the US from a different perspective and it's abundantly clear to the outside world that the US has a huge race problem. I've been asked several times why the US elected a black president when seems by all the police shootings and riots that Americans are against black people. I try to explain that the media makes things out to be worse than they are but I'm beginning to wonder. It's sad to see the state of things and until people start treating people like people its not gonna get any better.

As to what Mr. Turtle originally posted, I think this forum has become a thinly disguised hate forum, hate for the opposing view. It has become tiresome and predictable and so I have chosen not to post as often. I don't blame the moderators for this I blame people who think their views are the right views to the extent that all other views are wrong. We've all heard it "Opinions are like butth0les, we've all got one.." you know the rest.

Sorry, but if your view(not you) of people that share my skin color is ignorant and violent, then I'm going to have an issue with it. I've disagreed with a few folks on things that didn't contain race, and it was civil. If we don't agree on something, we can agree to disagree. But when Janelle and I have to come in here daily and be told the rules of racism by a bunch of guys who have the most negative perception of black people, it's a problem with me.

It's one thing to have a different opinion, but to tell me my religion is inherently violent, or that my people are less than nothing, I might get a bit testy. And what's worse is the two black people in this forum are consistently told how to feel about what's happening to us like they know better.

[Jacque67 7,328]

Hi Marvin, hope Hawaii is treating you well. I'm a bit jealous btw.

Having been accused of being a racist on this site in this very forum I'd like to comment on your comment. I'd like to highlight two things you said and then ask your opinion.

From the above:

a)"Those individuals who are married to Asian or other than white spouses can't join those other sites, lest their spouses and children become targets."

b)"At least here, you can make broad generalizations, which are basically racist insults wrapped up in different words,..."

Do you think that a) is a generalization? and if so could someone define your comment as racist?

I personally think that you are a good guy that feels the need to call out injustice when you see it and I think that's a good thing. But to be completely honest with you some of your comments lead me to believe that you feel only white folks can be racist. Now that I'm living in a country where I am in the minority I am seeing things from an aspect that is new to me. It's very obvious to me that racism isn't limited caucasians i'm just wondering if you have the same opinion.

Welcome to the club, as a Caucasian living in Japan;)

[lostinblue 1,989]

And yet when it's a white person killing other white people, we don't call it white on white crime. Why is that?

Just crazy gun owners NRA approved

[spookyturtle 9,465]

Just crazy gun owners NRA approved

That seems to be the consensus here when it does happen. Different area than race, but similar logic.