Did Germanwings plane's windscreen CRACK?

[Operator 1,925]

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/f7ee967cd86349fbb8d44f8711962451/prosecutor-co-pilot-alone-controls-germanwings-flight-was

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/39c8ef18ccb14ed6b499f5481985471d/prosecutor-co-pilot-alone-helm-germanwings-began-descent

AP getting to the meat of the matter.

The co-pilot of the Germanwings flight that crashed into the French Alps wanted to "destroy the plane", French investigators have said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32063587

Edited March 26, 2015 by Operator

[LibCampFireClub 635]

The co-pilot of Germanwings Flight 9525 was inside the cockpit while the captain remained locked outside minutes before the A320 crashed into an alpine mountain ridge, French Prosecutor Brice Robin said Thursday.

Andreas Lubitz, a 28-year-old German national, was inside the cockpit, according to a recording of cockpit conversations recovered from one of the plane’s two black boxes, a person familiar with the probe into the crash said.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/germanwings-pilot-locked-out-of-cockpit-before-plane-crash-1427359266?mod=rss_about_india

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Passengers could be heard screaming just before impact at 700 KPH (435 MPH)

The copilot:

Edited March 26, 2015 by xxClosedxx

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The co-pilot of Germanwings Flight 9525 was inside the cockpit while the captain remained locked outside minutes before the A320 crashed into an alpine mountain ridge, French Prosecutor Brice Robin said Thursday.

Andreas Lubitz, a 28-year-old German national, was inside the cockpit, according to a recording of cockpit conversations recovered from one of the plane’s two black boxes, a person familiar with the probe into the crash said.

Lubitz’s hometown of Motabaur, Germany, those who knew him said that Lubitz, who was in his late twenties, had never shown signs of depression, and that last fall he had renewed his glider pilot’s license. A member of the glider club that Lubitz belonged to, Peter Ruecker, stated that he “was happy he had a job with Germanwings,” and that “he was doing well.”

Lubitz had obtained a glider’s license as a teen, and he eventually became a pilot trainee after finishing a hard German prep school. Ruecker, who had watched Lubitz learn to fly said that Lubitz had “gave off a good feeling.” Lufthansa, the owner of the Germanwings franchise, said that Lubitz had joined Germanwings in September of 2013, and had 630 hours of flight time prior to that.

When asked if Andreas Lubitz may have had ties to terrorism, Brice responded, “A terrorist? Absolutely not”

http://www.collegenews.com/article/investigators_flight_9525_crashed_into_alps_intentionally

Ties to terrorism? I guess when it walks like a duck it means it's actually a kangaroo who lives alone.

Edited March 26, 2015 by xxClosedxx

[decocker 7,198]

Ties to terrorism? I guess when it walks like a duck it means it's actually a kangaroo who lives alone.

so you think they're going to find ties to terrorism? OR HAVE THEY ALREADY?!?

[LibCampFireClub 635]

The following link contains images of the grief the victim familes are experiencing now.

http://wnax.com/news/030030-photos-crash-of-germanwings-flight-9525/

[JohnR! 5,495]

And here is what is actually being repoted:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/germanwings-flight-9525-crashed-with-only-1-pilot-in-cockpit/

Germanwings tragedy was no accident

SEYNE-LES-ALPES, France - Only the co-pilot of Germanwings Flight 9525 was in the cockpit when the Airbus A320 slammed into a steep mountainside in the French Alps, a French prosecutor confirmed Thursday, saying he had "intentionally" crashed the aircraft.

French prosecutor Brice Robin said in Marseille on Thursday that the co-pilot, Andreas Lubitz, requested control of the aircraft about 20 minutes into the flight. The pilot then left the cockpit, leaving the co-pilot in full control of the plane.

Lubitz manually and "intentionally" set the plane on the descent that drove it into the mountainside in the southern French Alps. It was the co-pilot's "intention to destroy this plane," Robin said.

The Airbus A320, on a flight from Barcelona to Duesseldorf, began to descend from cruising altitude after losing radio contact with ground control and slammed into the remote mountain on Tuesday morning, killing all 150 people on board.

Robin confirmed a report by The New York Times that the pilot tried aggressively to get back into the cockpit, but was denied access.

The prosecutor said the pilot was heard pleading with the co-pilot over a telephone intercom system from the cabin for access, but that he got no answer from the co-pilot.

Eventually, according to The Times account, "you can hear he (pilot) is trying to smash the door down."

On the cockpit voice recorder, which reached French accident investigators on Wednesday morning, Robin said there is audio of the co-pilot breathing, and that breathing continues until the moment before impact.

"He (co-pilot) was alive until impact," said Robin.

In the German town of Montabaur, acquaintances said Lubitz was in his late twenties and showed no signs of depression when they saw him last fall as he renewed his glider pilot's license.

"He was happy he had the job with Germanwings and he was doing well," said a member of the glider club, Peter Ruecker, who watched him learn to fly. "He gave off a good feeling."

Lubitz had obtained his glider pilot's license as a teenager, and was accepted as a Lufthansa pilot trainee after finishing a tough German college preparatory school, Ruecker said. He described Lubitz as a "rather quiet" but friendly young man.

As CBS News correspondent Mark Phillips reported, the new information changes completely the nature of the crash from a suspected accident, into something far more sinister, a criminal investigation.

A video produced by Airbus, maker of the A320 passenger jet used on the Germanwings flight, shows how the cockpit security system was designed in 2002, after the Sept. 11 terror attacks. It shows that flight crew members in the cabin can access the cockpit with an code to open the door, but it doesn't deal with the possibility of what would happen if one of the pilots deliberately tries to lock out the other.

On the Airbus, like virtually every other commercial passenger jet since 9/11, the pilot or whoever has control of the cockpit has the ultimate override power to prevent others from entering from the plane's cabin.

Phillips noted that the information from the cockpit voice recorder contradicts directly what the French air accident investigators had said. They acknowledged there were voices and sounds on the recorder, but investigator Remi Jouty said they could not yet determine when those conversations took place in the course of the flight.

CBS News aviation consultant Chesley "Sully" Sullenberger, a former pilot and air crash investigator, said Thursday on "CBS This Morning" that in the U.S., there are protocols in place which require there to be at least two members of the flight crew in the cabin at all times. If the pilot or co-pilot needs to leave for any reason, a member of the cabin crew will step into the cockpit in the interim, for example.

In Europe, there is no such requirement.

Sullenberger said commercial pilots are some of the most heavily scrutinized professionals in the world, but in the end, it is "very difficult to predict who is going to act in a very bizarre and harmful way."

Sullenberger added that, given the nature of the panic at the cockpit door, the 144 passengers on the jet would have known what was going on.

"It would have been a terrifying number of minutes," he said.

you know, it's more of a mockery to make the details up as you go along, keeping your fingers crossed that it all plays perfectly to your narrative. anyway, have fun with your parasol.

[LibCampFireClub 635]

Despite the assertions of a 'few' members, the one thing no one knows yet is the motivation for the deliberate act of crashing the plane. However, it's likely the world will learn in the coming days the reason the terrorist who crashed this plane decided to not only kill himself, but 150 innocent people. Imagine the terror the families feel and the terror of everyone who must fly today, and in the future.

A mass killing is an act of terrorism.

None of my posts have provided anything more than the obvious question. The copilot, whether a HE of a SHE, has not been named. Everyone else on the flight has been identified. Now, unless the copilot's family is traveling with Doctor Livingston, and still using carrier pigeons to send and receive inter-city and international communication, then, it begs the obvious question as to why he's not been named. So, I openly suggest, and yes, I have no evidence other than the clear symptom, that there is another reason why he's not been named. I think it's very unlikely that officials have been unable to contact the next of kin. As for his race, ethnicity, motivation, religious affiliation if any, no one knows yet.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/542164-did-germanwings-planes-windscreen-crack/?p=7539829

The more likely explanation seems to be that Lubitz was suicidal.

"While incredibly rare for a pilot to kill himself — and everyone else on a plane — there is both national and international precedent for what experts call 'aircraft-assisted pilot suicides,'” Terrence McCoy wrote in the Washington Post. "According to Federal Aviation Administration data, 24 American pilots have killed themselves while flying their planes in the last two decades."

http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-what-we-know-about-the-co-pilot-who-crashed-germanwings-flight-9525-2015-3

Edited March 26, 2015 by xxClosedxx

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Sullenberger said commercial pilots are some of the most heavily scrutinized professionals in the world, but in the end, it is "very difficult to predict who is going to act in a very bizarre and harmful way."

this is probably the most enlightening bit.

Edited March 26, 2015 by val erie

[decocker 7,198]

Despite the assertions of a 'few' members, the one thing no one knows yet is the motivation for the deliberate act of crashing the plane, and no one can predict whether anyone will ever know the motivation. However, it's likely the world will learn in the coming days the reason the terrorist who crashed this plane decided to not only kill himself, but 150 innocent people. Imagine the terror the families feel and the terror of everyone who must fly today, and in the future.

yeah. it's a crazy world. welcome.

[JohnR! 5,495]

In addition to that, Lufthansa pilots are the cream of the crop. They set the bar for all other airlines.

this is probably the most enlightening bit.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Despite the assertions of a 'few' members, the one thing no one knows yet is the motivation for the deliberate act of crashing the plane. However, it's likely the world will learn in the coming days the reason the terrorist who crashed this plane decided to not only kill himself, but 150 innocent people. Imagine the terror the families feel and the terror of everyone who must fly today, and in the future.

A mass killing is an act of terrorism.

None of my posts have provided anything more than the obvious question. The copilot, whether a HE of a SHE, has not been named. Everyone else on the flight has been identified. Now, unless the copilot's family is traveling with Doctor Livingston, and still using carrier pigeons to send and receive inter-city and international communication, then, it begs the obvious question as to why he's not been named. So, I openly suggest, and yes, I have no evidence other than the clear symptom, that there is another reason why he's not been named. I think it's very unlikely that officials have been unable to contact the next of kin. As for his race, ethnicity, motivation, religious affiliation if any, no one knows yet.

There, your outright lie from yesterday again. You think it's worth repeating it? It's not.

Despite the assertions of a 'few' members, the one thing no one knows yet is the motivation for the deliberate act of crashing the plane. However, it's likely the world will learn in the coming days the reason the terrorist who crashed this plane decided to not only kill himself, but 150 innocent people. Imagine the terror the families feel and the terror of everyone who must fly today, and in the future.

A mass killing is an act of terrorism.

Exactly. So why do you pretend to know that the motivation was to terrorize? If that's not the motivation, then it would not be an act of terrorism. You see, 'Mass killing' and 'Act of terrorism' are not the same thing.

Edited March 26, 2015 by Mr. Big Dog

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a large number of posts have been removed for personal insults, baiting, and for quoting those posts.
2 members thread banned for the personal insults and baiting.
please behave.

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This gets sadder with each new bulletin...

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32063587

The co-pilot of the Germanwings flight that crashed in the French Alps, named as Andreas Lubitz, appeared to want to "destroy the plane", officials said.

Marseille prosecutor Brice Robin, citing information from the "black box" voice recorder, said the co-pilot was alone in the cockpit.

He intentionally started a descent while the pilot was locked out.

Mr Robin said there was "absolute silence in the cockpit" as the pilot fought to re-enter it.

He said air traffic controllers made repeated attempts to contact the aircraft, but to no avail. Passengers could be heard screaming just before the crash, he added.

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Details are also emerging of the co-pilot's past - although his apparent motives for causing the crash remain a mystery.

Mr Lubitz, 28, had undergone intensive training and "was 100% fit to fly without any caveats", according to Carsten Spohr, the head of Lufthansa, the German carrier that owns Germanwings.

Mr Spohr said Mr Lubitz's training had been interrupted briefly six years ago but was resumed after "the suitability of the candidate was re-established".

The Airbus 320 from Barcelona to Duesseldorf hit a mountain, killing all 144 passengers and six crew, after an eight-minute descent.

"We hear the pilot ask the co-pilot to take control of the plane and we hear at the same time the sound of a seat moving backwards and the sound of a door closing," Mr Robin told reporters.

He said the pilot, named in the German media as Patrick S, had probably gone to the toilet.

Andreas Lubitz: Germanwings co-pilot under scrutiny

• Started training in 2008, at Bremen and Arizona. Training briefly interrupted - but deemed fit to fly
• Working as co-pilot, or first officer, since 2013. Appeared pleased with his job
• Lived in town of Montaubaur, near Frankfurt, reportedly with his parents. Had many friends
• Facebook profile suggests the active lifestyle of a keen runner, with an interest in pop music

"At that moment, the co-pilot is controlling the plane by himself. While he is alone, the co-pilot presses the buttons of the flight monitoring system to put into action the descent of the aeroplane.

He operated this button for a reason we don't know yet, but it appears that the reason was to destroy this plane."

Mr Lubitz was alive until the final impact, the prosecutor said.

yeah. it's a crazy world. welcome.

[elmcitymaven 9,711]

Now that we know the co-pilot was not a terror baby, nobody cares in here.

DÜSSELDORF, Germany — Andreas Lubitz, the pilot at the controls of the Germanwings jetliner that crashed into the French Alps on Tuesday, had a mental illness but kept the diagnosis hidden from his employer, the authorities said Friday.

A psychiatric diagnosis might explain why Mr. Lubitz, a 27-year-old German, did not disclose his full medical record to Germanwings and its parent company, Lufthansa. Lufthansa company policy requires notification of conditions that could affect flying or a pilot’s license.

Prosecutors said Friday that among the items found at Mr. Lubitz’s home were several doctors’ notes stating that he was too ill to work, including on the day of the crash; one of the notes had been torn up. These documents “support the preliminary assessment that the deceased hid his illness from his employer and colleagues,” the prosecutors said in a statement.

But there remained considerable confusion about the precise nature and severity of his psychiatric condition. A German hospital said it had evaluated Mr. Lubitz twice in the past two months but added that he had not been there for assessment or treatment of depression.

The German state prosecutor, Christoph Kumpa, said the preliminary investigation into Andreas Lubitz indicated that the Germanwings Airbus A320 co-pilot hid an existing illness from his employer.

The crash killed Mr. Lubitz and the other 149 people on board the Airbus A320 jetliner bound from Barcelona, Spain, to Düsseldorf, Germany, on Tuesday morning.

Airlines and their regulatory agencies have longstanding processes to screen for pilots whose mental illness could affect their flying ability or even jeopardize the lives of their passengers, crew and people on the ground. But the gatekeeping system in the United States and abroad relies heavily on pilots’ volunteering information about their illnesses.

The German investigators said they had not found a suicide note or “any indication of a political or religious” nature among the documents from Mr. Lubitz’s apartment in Düsseldorf.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/28/world/europe/germanwings-crash-andreas-lubitz.html?_r=0