The white Confederates defending the south's honor in Selma

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Yes. Isn't it true in Catholicism you can pay your way into heaven?

Are you expecting a logical, rational response? If so, you will be disappointed.

I just wonder what the thinking is in responding to an article about white supremacist racists in southern states with an observation about slavery in Africa. One has nothing to do with the other. Edited March 10, 2015 by For Ffolkes Sake

[Janelle2002 3,865]

I just wonder what the thinking is in responding to an article about white supremacist racists in southern states with an observation about slavery in Africa. One has nothing to do with the other.

Some people get a lift off on discussing Africans and black people.

[elmcitymaven 9,711]

I just wonder what the thinking is in responding to an article about white supremacist racists in southern states with an observation about slavery in Africa. One has nothing to do with the other.

It would be a relevant discussion point if we were engaging in an online discussion about slavery, and that discussion was taking place in the 1830s. But of course there was no VJ in 1830s America. THANKS OBAMA!

[Janelle2002 3,865]

It would be a relevant discussion point if we were engaging in an online discussion about slavery, and that discussion was taking place in the 1830s. But of course there was no VJ in 1830s America. THANKS OBAMA!

I wonder why the same person that brought up slavery in Africa and how it still exists didn't say anything about slavery in the U.S. and how it still exists. An intelligent dialogue with some people who are bunker buddies is close to near impossible.

[elmcitymaven 9,711]

Now, the CE&HST Special Edition desktop computer is available!!! It has it all in one package.

[JohnR! 5,495]

+100!!!!

This will send shock waves in bunkers all across Murica!

You hit this one out of the ballpark!

Now, the CE&HST Special Edition desktop computer is available!!! It has it all in one package.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

Now, the CE&HST Special Edition desktop computer is available!!! It has it all in one package.

Jergens and toilettes in one??? That must be an expensive contraption!!

[elmcitymaven 9,711]

Not sure what the coin slots are for. Maybe for ammo dispensing? Ammo isn't cheap anymore now that the Kenyan usurper is in office.

[JohnR! 5,495]

One dispenser must be for ammo and the other has to be for Kool Aid.

Not sure what the coin slots are for. Maybe for ammo dispensing? Ammo isn't cheap anymore now that the Kenyan usurper is in office.

[JohnR! 5,495]

Money should be no object when you're protecting your family from the kenyan® and his plans to destroy Murica!

Jergens and toilettes in one??? That must be an expensive contraption!!

Edited March 11, 2015 by JohnR!

[Ban Hammer 12,829]

Not sure what the coin slots are for. Maybe for ammo dispensing? Ammo isn't cheap anymore now that the Kenyan usurper is in office.

that's for the coffee holder to open and provide refills.

[GandD 5,966]

Eric Coffee Holder?

[decocker 7,198]

so typical that the inside of the mug is black. the part you can't see.

[JohnR! 5,495]

And this was not Kiscaden's first attempt to his 15 minutes of fame...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/25/us/fight-rages-in-selma-ala-over-a-civil-war-monument.html

Bust of Civil War General Stirs Anger in Alabama

By ROBBIE BROWN

AUG. 24, 2012

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A historical society is working to replace a missing bust of Nathan Bedford Forrest near a Confederate memorial in Selma, Ala. Credit Cary Norton for The New York Times

In Selma, Ala., a battle over what to do with a bronze bust of a contradictory and controversial Civil War general has lasted far longer than the war itself.

Since the monument honoring Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest was unveiled in a city park in 2000, critics have called it a symbol of hate. Vandals littered it with trash, pelted it with cinder blocks and tried to pull it down with ropes before it was moved to a private cemetery. Finally in March, the bust vanished. A historical society called Friends of Forrest has offered a $20,000 reward for its return, and vowed to replace it with a new bust on a taller pedestal, guarded by an iron fence and a surveillance camera.

The fight continued this week as about 20 protesters tried to block construction of the new monument by lying in the path of a concrete truck as crews tried to pour a ramp. Late on Thursday night, the Selma mayor, George Patrick Evans, decided to halt the work until the city attorney could review the plans. Meanwhile, an online petition at Change.org asking the City Council to ban the monument has more than 69,000 signatures.

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Robert Malone Jr., center, and about 20 other protesters tried to block construction. Some call the bust a symbol of hate. Credit Cary Norton for The New York Times

The dispute has revived thorny questions about race, history and identity, familiar territory in a city known for a landmark civil rights clash between marchers and the police in 1965.

The general is a contentious figure, even among historians. Monuments and statues honoring General Forrest are in dozens of cities; high schools in Tennessee and Florida are named for him; and even Forrest Gump, the fictional character in the novel and movie by the same name, claimed that his mother had named him for the general. But although General Forrest is recognized as a brilliant cavalry officer, he was accused of war crimes for allowing his forces to massacre black Union troops who had surrendered after the Battle of Fort Pillow in Tennessee in 1864. Following the war, he joined the newly formed Ku Klux Klan and became its first grand wizard.

“Some people think he was one of the most successful military practitioners of the war, and say that trumps all else he did later in life,” said Brian Steel Wills, the director of the Civil War Center at Kennesaw State University in Georgia and a history professor there. “Others condemn him out of hand as evil incarnate and dismiss him. Of course, he’s far more complex than either extreme.”

“Glorifying Nathan B. Forrest here is like glorifying a Nazi in Germany,” said Rose Sanders, a lawyer and local radio host. “For Selma, of all places, to have a big monument to a Klansman is totally unacceptable.”

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Todd Kiscaden, who was overseeing construction until Selma’s mayor halted the project, described General Forrest as a hero. Credit Cary Norton for The New York Times

Since the bust disappeared on March 12, the Friends of Forrest society has criticized Ms. Sanders for saying on the air that she wished the statue did not exist. She in turn has accused the society of hiding the statue, to attract sympathy. The society began to move ahead with a new monument, and plans approved by the Selma Historic Development Commission call for it to be 12 feet high, illuminated by L.E.D. lights, surrounded by a wrought-iron fence and protected by 24-hour security cameras.

“We take the position that, in this country, we’re allowed to venerate our heroes,” said Todd Kiscaden, a Friends of Forrest member overseeing the construction. “There’s a monument to Martin Luther King in town. We don’t deface that monument. We don’t harass people. So let us enjoy the same treatment.”

The police were called to the construction site at least twice this week, once when protesters lay in the path of the truck, and again when Ms. Sanders said Mr. Kiscaden pushed her off the site while she was taking pictures. He said he was keeping her out of the way of construction equipment; she said she planned to press charges of assault.

Mayor Evans said it was unclear whether Friends of Forrest had permission to build on the cemetery site. The group does not hold the deed to the property, but it says that descendants of Confederate soldiers were granted ownership in the late 19th century and have cared for it since.

Malika Sanders-Fortier, Ms. Sanders’s daughter, who started the online petition, wondered why the group would choose to honor the general. “Here we are on the 150th anniversary of the Civil War,” she said, “and we’re still having the same fights.”