IDF builds fake Arab town

[jordanianprincess 0]

So no one really answered what would happen in the media were the subject changed from building a fake Arab town to building a fake Israeli town.

Yank and Canuck media, with the exception of The Globe And Mail, is notorious for missing such stories.

In London papers or BBC, probably would get a few letters-to-editor and then interest would disappear (little reaction in US or Canada as only a few people even peruse Brit media here).

That doesn't surprise me at all.

Edited January 26, 2007 by jordanianprincess

[peezey 0]

So no one really answered what would happen in the media were the subject changed from building a fake Arab town to building a fake Israeli town.

Yank and Canuck media, with the exception of The Globe And Mail, is notorious for missing such stories.

In London papers or BBC, probably would get a few letters-to-editor and then interest would disappear (little reaction in US or Canada as only a few people even peruse Brit media here).

You're saying the US media wouldn't pick this up and go to town with it, should say, Hezbollah built a town like this after an Israeli town, make pictures of it available to the press, announcing their new tactical training Fake Israeli Town?

Edited January 26, 2007 by peezey

[chri'stina 190]

How do you think the coverage of this story would be if it was Iran's military building a fake Israeli town?

I'll strongly suggest you read Clive Cussler's "Vixen 03".

While it is fiction, it confirms that almost every country has war/invasion plans about other countries (even if they are absurd).

The point is not whether a country has war plans or fake towns. Let's assume Iran finished building such a town, only Israeli, a few months ago and FoxNews caught wind of it. How do you think the coverage of this would play out? Do you think it would be dismissed as every country having war plans, or do you think it would be blown into a big story, furthering the claim that Iran is a threat to peace?

As someone said earlier, if you know a country keeps talking about getting rid of your existence, who wouldn't build towns to practice war with those specific locations?

So no one really answered what would happen in the media were the subject changed from building a fake Arab town to building a fake Israeli town.

Of course people in the media here would be mad about it. The same way people get mad about Iranian leaders when they say they want to destroy Israel. And are non-Israelis in the region there happy about this(Israel building the fake towns)? I doubt it. But I don't see what's so odd about it. There probably ARE fake towns in places like Iran for them to practice war with Israel. I'd be surprised if there weren't.

I have to say that I think it's bold of wildroze to get involved in any of these political topics.

First of all, the MENA board is so baised towards the Arabic Middle Eastern issues and not Israel's issues. I haven't seen any evidence to suggest the opposite so if there is, I would be willing to read it. People can say, "oh everyone is welcome here.." but who would want to post here when the bias is towards something they don't agree with? And when they happen to be a small minority who don't agree?

Secondly, there is a bias towards Islam in the MENA forum. Yes there are some non-Muslims, but with the bias towards people's home country or SO's countries, which are mostly Arab or Middle Eastern(sorry if I don't have the terms 100% correct but you know what I mean), which are mostly Muslim countries, it seems it would be very hard for a Jewish Israeli to participate in this forum without drama.

I looked at some of the pictures thread, and how wildroze was jumped on for being upset at seeing negative politically charged pictures about Israel killing Palestinians, etc. After all the pretty pictures posted. It was not the time nor place. I was annoyed as well. And just imagine if she had posted pictures of dead Jewish people killed by Palestinians first...that would have gone over well... Yet when she is upset about the pictures that are posted, people jumped down her throat. I don't get it. It's a double standard.

This forum is also very left leaning, which also would discourage any "conservatives" to participate a lot unless they want to face daily political battles. That can be seen clearly in the SOTU thread (left leaning I mean).

I participate because I have been doing it for awhile, have gotten used to the way certain things go, and know what might happen if I say certain things. But I try to say things respectfully if I need to disagree. I do respect many members here. I just wonder why people can't see how unwelcoming they are being to people like wildroze.

Edited January 26, 2007 by stina&suj

[Ban Hammer 13,150]

How do you think the coverage of this story would be if it was Iran's military building a fake Israeli town?

I'll strongly suggest you read Clive Cussler's "Vixen 03".

While it is fiction, it confirms that almost every country has war/invasion plans about other countries (even if they are absurd).

The point is not whether a country has war plans or fake towns. Let's assume Iran finished building such a town, only Israeli, a few months ago and FoxNews caught wind of it. How do you think the coverage of this would play out? Do you think it would be dismissed as every country having war plans, or do you think it would be blown into a big story, furthering the claim that Iran is a threat to peace?

As someone said earlier, if you know a country keeps talking about getting rid of your existence, who wouldn't build towns to practice war with those specific locations?

So no one really answered what would happen in the media were the subject changed from building a fake Arab town to building a fake Israeli town.

Of course people in the media here would be mad about it. The same way people get mad about Iranian leaders when they say they want to destroy Israel. And are non-Israelis in the region there happy about this(Israel building the fake towns)? I doubt it. But I don't see what's so odd about it. There probably ARE fake towns in places like Iran for them to practice war with Israel. I'd be surprised if there weren't.

I have to say that I think it's bold of wildroze to get involved in any of these political topics.

First of all, the MENA board is so baised towards the Arabic Middle Eastern issues and not Israel's issues. I haven't seen any evidence to suggest the opposite so if there is, I would be willing to read it. People can say, "oh everyone is welcome here.." but who would want to post here when the bias is towards something they don't agree with? And when they happen to be a small minority who don't agree?

Secondly, there is a bias towards Islam in the MENA forum. Yes there are some non-Muslims, but with the bias towards people's home country or SO's countries, which are mostly Arab or Middle Eastern(sorry if I don't have the terms 100% correct but you know what I mean), which are mostly Muslim countries, it seems it would be very hard for a Jewish Israeli to participate in this forum without drama.

I looked at some of the pictures thread, and how wildroze was jumped on for being upset at seeing negative politically charged pictures about Israel killing Palestinians, etc. After all the pretty pictures posted. It was not the time nor place. I was annoyed as well. And just imagine if she had posted pictures of dead Jewish people killed by Palestinians first...that would have gone over well... Yet when she is upset about the pictures that are posted, people jumped down her throat. I don't get it. It's a double standard.

This forum is also very left leaning, which also would discourage any "conservatives" to participate a lot unless they want to face daily political battles. That can be seen clearly in the SOTU thread (left leaning I mean).

I participate because I have been doing it for awhile, have gotten used to the way certain things go, and know what might happen if I say certain things. But I try to say things respectfully if I need to disagree. I do respect many members here. I just wonder why people can't see how unwelcoming they are being to people like wildroze.

[Bosco 1]

I have to say that I think it's bold of wildroze to get involved in any of these political topics.

First of all, the MENA board is so baised towards the Arabic Middle Eastern issues and not Israel's issues. I haven't seen any evidence to suggest the opposite so if there is, I would be willing to read it. People can say, "oh everyone is welcome here.." but who would want to post here when the bias is towards something they don't agree with? And when they happen to be a small minority who don't agree?

Secondly, there is a bias towards Islam in the MENA forum. Yes there are some non-Muslims, but with the bias towards people's home country or SO's countries, which are mostly Arab or Middle Eastern(sorry if I don't have the terms 100% correct but you know what I mean), which are mostly Muslim countries, it seems it would be very hard for a Jewish Israeli to participate in this forum without drama.

I looked at some of the pictures thread, and how wildroze was jumped on for being upset at seeing negative politically charged pictures about Israel killing Palestinians, etc. After all the pretty pictures posted. It was not the time nor place. I was annoyed as well. And just imagine if she had posted pictures of dead Jewish people killed by Palestinians first...that would have gone over well... Yet when she is upset about the pictures that are posted, people jumped down her throat. I don't get it. It's a double standard.

This forum is also very left leaning, which also would discourage any "conservatives" to participate a lot unless they want to face daily political battles. That can be seen clearly in the SOTU thread (left leaning I mean).

I participate because I have been doing it for awhile, have gotten used to the way certain things go, and know what might happen if I say certain things. But I try to say things respectfully if I need to disagree. I do respect many members here. I just wonder why people can't see how unwelcoming they are being to people like wildroze.

Will you clarify your use of bias because the way I am reading it, it is highly insulting. Bias means an impartial judgement or an unfair policy rooted in prejudice. Is this what you mean? I will refrain from replying further until you clarify.

Edited January 26, 2007 by Bosco

[brnidokiegurl 0]

How do you think the coverage of this story would be if it was Iran's military building a fake Israeli town?

I'll strongly suggest you read Clive Cussler's "Vixen 03".

While it is fiction, it confirms that almost every country has war/invasion plans about other countries (even if they are absurd).

The point is not whether a country has war plans or fake towns. Let's assume Iran finished building such a town, only Israeli, a few months ago and FoxNews caught wind of it. How do you think the coverage of this would play out? Do you think it would be dismissed as every country having war plans, or do you think it would be blown into a big story, furthering the claim that Iran is a threat to peace?

As someone said earlier, if you know a country keeps talking about getting rid of your existence, who wouldn't build towns to practice war with those specific locations?

So no one really answered what would happen in the media were the subject changed from building a fake Arab town to building a fake Israeli town.

Of course people in the media here would be mad about it. The same way people get mad about Iranian leaders when they say they want to destroy Israel. And are non-Israelis in the region there happy about this(Israel building the fake towns)? I doubt it. But I don't see what's so odd about it. There probably ARE fake towns in places like Iran for them to practice war with Israel. I'd be surprised if there weren't.

I have to say that I think it's bold of wildroze to get involved in any of these political topics.

First of all, the MENA board is so baised towards the Arabic Middle Eastern issues and not Israel's issues. I haven't seen any evidence to suggest the opposite so if there is, I would be willing to read it. People can say, "oh everyone is welcome here.." but who would want to post here when the bias is towards something they don't agree with? And when they happen to be a small minority who don't agree?

Secondly, there is a bias towards Islam in the MENA forum. Yes there are some non-Muslims, but with the bias towards people's home country or SO's countries, which are mostly Arab or Middle Eastern(sorry if I don't have the terms 100% correct but you know what I mean), which are mostly Muslim countries, it seems it would be very hard for a Jewish Israeli to participate in this forum without drama.

I looked at some of the pictures thread, and how wildroze was jumped on for being upset at seeing negative politically charged pictures about Israel killing Palestinians, etc. After all the pretty pictures posted. It was not the time nor place. I was annoyed as well. And just imagine if she had posted pictures of dead Jewish people killed by Palestinians first...that would have gone over well... Yet when she is upset about the pictures that are posted, people jumped down her throat. I don't get it. It's a double standard.

This forum is also very left leaning, which also would discourage any "conservatives" to participate a lot unless they want to face daily political battles. That can be seen clearly in the SOTU thread (left leaning I mean).

I participate because I have been doing it for awhile, have gotten used to the way certain things go, and know what might happen if I say certain things. But I try to say things respectfully if I need to disagree. I do respect many members here. I just wonder why people can't see how unwelcoming they are being to people like wildroze.

Edited January 26, 2007 by brnidokiegurl

[peezey 0]

peezy and guess who else bites the dust

too late on the deletion, your vitriol was already seen by many

[chri'stina 190]

Will you clarify your use of bias because the way I am reading it, it is highly insulting. Bias means an impartial judgement or an unfair policy rooted in prejudice. Is this what you mean? I will refrain from replying further until you clarify.

I may have used the wrong word, but I mean tendency. Not ignorant judgement, but just the tendency of what is supported and what is not. I know many of you are very intelligent. So if I re-worded it, I might say...it is the tendency of MENA to lean left, or it is the tendency to support certain issues over other issues. I didn't mean it in the insulting way.

But still I'm sure it can be intimidating if someone is on the complete opposite end of the issues than what is usually supported here.

Edited January 26, 2007 by stina&suj

[Saddle Bronc 124]

You're saying the US media wouldn't pick this up and go to town with it, should say, Hezbollah built a town like this after an Israeli town, make pictures of it available to the press, announcing their new tactical training Fake Israeli Town?

Exactly.

You remember the "Internet Twins" case about six years ago where the St. Louisian natural mum decided to swap adoption (of the then-six-month-old twins) from a San Diego couple to a Swansea (Welsh) couple? None of the American media covered it until a Welsh judge ruled that the twins should go back to US (after the natural mum had decided she wanted to now KEEP them, and her estranged husband had gotten in there)--but it was big story in the London Times (probably others such as Guardian, Telegraph, etc) and BBC.

And this was with the story happening partly on their own doorstep!

[jordanianprincess 0]

First of all, the MENA board is so baised towards the Arabic Middle Eastern issues and not Israel's issues. I haven't seen any evidence to suggest the opposite so if there is, I would be willing to read it. People can say, "oh everyone is welcome here.." but who would want to post here when the bias is towards something they don't agree with? And when they happen to be a small minority who don't agree?

Do we have to agree? Its quite simple that this is a forum about the Middle East, full of people who support it. Why wouldn't we talk about the issues facing our countries and our spouses countries?

Secondly, there is a bias towards Islam in the MENA forum. Yes there are some non-Muslims, but with the bias towards people's home country or SO's countries, which are mostly Arab or Middle Eastern(sorry if I don't have the terms 100% correct but you know what I mean), which are mostly Muslim countries, it seems it would be very hard for a Jewish Israeli to participate in this forum without drama.

I disagree, I am not Muslim and I don't have a problem participating. This is a MENA forum what do you want us to discuss? These are the issues that are important to us.

I looked at some of the pictures thread, and how wildroze was jumped on for being upset at seeing negative politically charged pictures about Israel killing Palestinians, etc. After all the pretty pictures posted. It was not the time nor place. I was annoyed as well. And just imagine if she had posted pictures of dead Jewish people killed by Palestinians first...that would have gone over well... Yet when she is upset about the pictures that are posted, people jumped down her throat. I don't get it. It's a double standard.

It's not a double standard at all. No one told she couldnt post photos or what to post photos of. The reality of it is, Israel has more beauty to show that the West Bank and Giza. You are assuming what people would have done if she posted those photos. We acknowlegde there is suffering on both sides but everyone refuses to accept that. WOM has every right to post photos of what life is REALLY like in the West Bank, there is no way to sugar coat it because its reality. There is no reason for Wildroze to take offense to that because we are not blaming her for it or anyone else for that matter, they were just photos.

[brnidokiegurl 0]

no prob just trying to decided who all ways talking to who

[jordanianprincess 0]

peezy and guess who else bites the dust

Classy!

[peezey 0]

Of course people in the media here would be mad about it. The same way people get mad about Iranian leaders when they say they want to destroy Israel. And are non-Israelis in the region there happy about this(Israel building the fake towns)? I doubt it. But I don't see what's so odd about it. There probably ARE fake towns in places like Iran for them to practice war with Israel. I'd be surprised if there weren't.

I have to say that I think it's bold of wildroze to get involved in any of these political topics.

First of all, the MENA board is so baised towards the Arabic Middle Eastern issues and not Israel's issues. I haven't seen any evidence to suggest the opposite so if there is, I would be willing to read it. People can say, "oh everyone is welcome here.." but who would want to post here when the bias is towards something they don't agree with? And when they happen to be a small minority who don't agree?

Secondly, there is a bias towards Islam in the MENA forum. Yes there are some non-Muslims, but with the bias towards people's home country or SO's countries, which are mostly Arab or Middle Eastern(sorry if I don't have the terms 100% correct but you know what I mean), which are mostly Muslim countries, it seems it would be very hard for a Jewish Israeli to participate in this forum without drama.

I looked at some of the pictures thread, and how wildroze was jumped on for being upset at seeing negative politically charged pictures about Israel killing Palestinians, etc. After all the pretty pictures posted. It was not the time nor place. I was annoyed as well. And just imagine if she had posted pictures of dead Jewish people killed by Palestinians first...that would have gone over well... Yet when she is upset about the pictures that are posted, people jumped down her throat. I don't get it. It's a double standard.

This forum is also very left leaning, which also would discourage any "conservatives" to participate a lot unless they want to face daily political battles. That can be seen clearly in the SOTU thread (left leaning I mean).

I participate because I have been doing it for awhile, have gotten used to the way certain things go, and know what might happen if I say certain things. But I try to say things respectfully if I need to disagree. I do respect many members here. I just wonder why people can't see how unwelcoming they are being to people like wildroze.

here is the description of the regional forum from the top page of VJ forums

Regional Discussion

This Forum is dedicated to discussion on the major regions around the world. Topics of discussion may include travel, moving, what to eat and any other experience you may wish to share or inquire about. Have fun!

People come to this forum for many reasons, and if you've read any of the posts in here, ever, there is plenty of disagreement amongst those who you are lumping together on any given day about any given topic. There are conservative members of this forum. There are members who never post about politics. Your opinion about how you think the thread of pics should go is just that, your opinion. The thread did **not** say "only post pretty pics". As you read, wildrose is welcome to post what she likes. When you've been to Palestine and see how people are treated and how the must live, as WOM has, come back and let us know if there is bias.

There are conservative opinions in OT constantly, along with articles and discussion on Middle East politics. If the MENA regional forum doesn't serve your interests, OT most certainly will.

[Jenn! 918]

peezy and guess who else bites the dust

too late on the deletion, your vitriol was already seen by many

Thanks for being on top of that, peezey. I would have missed it.

Oh, and I'm not muslim either, however I am left-leaning. It just so happens that a majority of MENA posters *are* left-leaning, but does that mean that they should hold back their opinion for fear that right-leaning posters may be scared off?

Edited January 26, 2007 by jenn3539

[chri'stina 190]

First of all, the MENA board is so baised towards the Arabic Middle Eastern issues and not Israel's issues. I haven't seen any evidence to suggest the opposite so if there is, I would be willing to read it. People can say, "oh everyone is welcome here.." but who would want to post here when the bias is towards something they don't agree with? And when they happen to be a small minority who don't agree?

Do we have to agree? Its quite simple that this is a forum about the Middle East, full of people who support it. Why wouldn't we talk about the issues facing our countries and our spouses countries?

Secondly, there is a bias towards Islam in the MENA forum. Yes there are some non-Muslims, but with the bias towards people's home country or SO's countries, which are mostly Arab or Middle Eastern(sorry if I don't have the terms 100% correct but you know what I mean), which are mostly Muslim countries, it seems it would be very hard for a Jewish Israeli to participate in this forum without drama.

I disagree, I am not Muslim and I don't have a problem participating. This is a MENA forum what do you want us to discuss? These are the issues that are important to us.

I looked at some of the pictures thread, and how wildroze was jumped on for being upset at seeing negative politically charged pictures about Israel killing Palestinians, etc. After all the pretty pictures posted. It was not the time nor place. I was annoyed as well. And just imagine if she had posted pictures of dead Jewish people killed by Palestinians first...that would have gone over well... Yet when she is upset about the pictures that are posted, people jumped down her throat. I don't get it. It's a double standard.

It's not a double standard at all. No one told she couldnt post photos or what to post photos of. The reality of it is, Israel has more beauty to show that the West Bank and Giza. You are assuming what people would have done if she posted those photos. We acknowlegde there is suffering on both sides but everyone refuses to accept that. WOM has every right to post photos of what life is REALLY like in the West Bank, there is no way to sugar coat it because its reality. There is no reason for Wildroze to take offense to that because we are not blaming her for it or anyone else for that matter, they were just photos.

That is how you feel on all of it, and I am not saying you are wrong.

I do see double standards here at times though. That's how I feel about it.