Visiting US for second time under VWP

[Spruu 1]

Sorry -- I don't know what the formula is for this website, but Jan. 20th to April 20th is exactly 13 full weeks (Mon.-Sun.) Your arrival and departure days count. 7X13 = 91. This site appears to be counting nights in the US -- so, if you spend 90 nights and leave the next day, you are leaving on the 91st day, not the 90th. Not trying to be difficult -- just want you to look at it carefully so you don't cause problems for yourself. Really good news that the first trip was shorter than you originally indicated. Again, good luck.

You are forgetting that February next year will have only 28 days.

January = 31 days

February = 28 days

March = 31 days

31 + 28 + 31 = 90 days

If February had 29 days like this year, then yes, I would be over staying with my VWP, however, since it has only 28 days, it makes it 90 days total (89 nights like the simulator showed me)

Edited December 18, 2013 by Spruu

[MacUK 983]

You are forgetting that February next year will have only 28 days.

January = 31 days

February = 28 days

March = 31 days

31 + 28 + 31 = 90 days

If February had 29 days like this year, then yes, I would be over staying with my VWP, however, since it has only 28 days, it makes it 90 days total (89 nights like the simulator showed me)

Call me old fashioned but have you thought of looking at a calender and counting the days?

I did, and though I accept that I may have miscounted but I came up with 91 days for your stay.

Is it really worth risking your future ability to travel to the States for the sake of 1 day?

[Spruu 1]

Call me old fashioned but have you thought of looking at a calender and counting the days?

I did, and though I accept that I may have miscounted but I came up with 91 days for your stay.

Is it really worth risking your future ability to travel to the States for the sake of 1 day?

I did it that way as well before my previous post Then I proceeded with the math. Unless I miscounted but I got 90 days again.

I even used a simulator online and I got as result 12 weeks and 6 days

All this is confusing me already and I'm feeling scared and lost in all these comments and I'm not making sense anymore.

Edited December 18, 2013 by Spruu

[MacUK 983]

Just counted it out again.

Someone with more knowledge than me might know but do they count the day you arrive as part of the 90 days?

If they do then including the day you arrive and the day you leave then it's 91 days.

[Spruu 1]

Just counted it out again.

Someone with more knowledge than me might know but do they count the day you arrive as part of the 90 days?

If they do then including the day you arrive and the day you leave then it's 91 days.

Yeah I counted it again as well.

About knowing if they count with the arrival date I'm also not sure, I just know that my trip will have a total time of more than 24h, meaning I will be departing on the 20th of january but arriving in California on the 21st.

Since I'm already fearing that I might be indeed over staying in my trip I'm already proceeding to re-schedule my trip to the 18th of April.

[MacUK 983]

Yeah I counted it again as well.

About knowing if they count with the arrival date I'm also not sure, I just know that my trip will have a total time of more than 24h, meaning I will be departing on the 20th of january but arriving in California on the 21st.

Since I'm already fearing that I might be indeed over staying in my trip I'm already proceeding to re-schedule my trip to the 18th of April.

Arriving on the 21st and not the 20th?

That would put it at 90 days.

[Spruu 1]

Arriving on the 21st and not the 20th?

That would put it at 90 days.

I re-scheduled the trip from 20th of January - 20th of April to 20th of January - 18th of April

[Spruu 1]

Does anyone know if the time spent traveling is also included in the 90 days stay under the VWP?

I ask this because my trip is going to have long layovers both going to California and then returning home. I will be having layovers that can go till 11 hours waiting for my next flight.

If anyone knows if the flight duration is included in the 90 days stay it would be precious information.

[jan22 2,898]

Depends on where the layovers are. The 90 days starts the day you land in the U.S. and includes your time in the U.S./Canada/Mexico/the Caribbean. Normally, what that means is that it is the time from when you land in the US until the time you leave the US. (In your original plan, that appeared to be from your arrival on Jan. 20 -- although it was actually the 21 -- until your departure on April 20.) If, however, you leave the U.S. and your layover is in Canada or Mexico, for example, that period would also count against the 90 days, since you must leave the US and its contiguous territories.

[Teddy B 17,251]

Never mind.

Edited December 20, 2013 by Teddy B

[Spruu 1]

Depends on where the layovers are. The 90 days starts the day you land in the U.S. and includes your time in the U.S./Canada/Mexico/the Caribbean. Normally, what that means is that it is the time from when you land in the US until the time you leave the US. (In your original plan, that appeared to be from your arrival on Jan. 20 -- although it was actually the 21 -- until your departure on April 20.) If, however, you leave the U.S. and your layover is in Canada or Mexico, for example, that period would also count against the 90 days, since you must leave the US and its contiguous territories.

God! thank you for explaining that to me. The CBP is not clear at all at providing me that info. I've been messaging them since yesterday and they don't give me clear information at all.

I'm just confused because they are not straightforward at all like you were. Thank you very much

[aaron2020 11,651]

Does anyone know if the time spent traveling is also included in the 90 days stay under the VWP?

I ask this because my trip is going to have long layovers both going to California and then returning home. I will be having layovers that can go till 11 hours waiting for my next flight.

If anyone knows if the flight duration is included in the 90 days stay it would be precious information.

Your time starts when you first land in the US from an international flight.

[Jamie & Izzy 98]

For those of you who want to precisely calculate the duration of a visit, you may want to try http://www.timeanddate.com/, which we always use for our visits.

They have a very handy date calculator function: http://www.timeanddate.com/date/duration.html - be sure to check the "Include end date in calculation" box, since you need to count both the day you arrive and the day you depart!

I *strongly* recommend giving yourself at least several days as a buffer (we usually do a maximum of 83 to 85 days). If you go for exactly 90 days, and then your flight gets delayed or cancelled, or your car breaks down on the way to the airport or something else like that, you've got a problem.

Edited December 23, 2013 by Jamie & Izzy

[Ketsuban 1,034]

I would go for a few less than 90 in any case. Flight delays and freak weather cause people to unintentionally overstay all the time, and there are no exceptions. Once you overstay, you're ineligible for the VWP for life.

[sandraperry 34]

From a Fellow Portuguese, at your POE just be honest, be relaxed and have all your flight plans in your hand. I have been traveling to the US since 2010 and all the time they were nice and when they asked me about what i was doing in the US I always told them I was going to visit my boyfriend (first time), my fiancé (second time), on third time no questions asked (got married that last time). I guess all depends on who's making the questions. I actually was advised not to travel there this time due to the fact i had a spouse visa process going on.

Just be "calm".