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6-member, all female jury selected!

Great! Find me 6 women in one room that think that THEY cannot use deadly force when THEIR head is being smashed on the ground by a 17 year old juvenile man

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I do you one better, find me six women who wouldn't feel threatned if some 28 year old man decided on a whim to start following a 17 year old boy walking home from the store, not once identifying himself. But thought it was the best of ideas to get out of his car and chase him on foot through a neighborhood.

And while you are at it, why is it justifiable that George Zimmerman can kill Trayvon Martin when he was in fear of his life, yet Trayvon Martin couldn't attack George Zimmerman because he felt threatned?

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Trayvon should have asked George if he was packing before he jumped him.

He should assume EVERYONE is carrying a gun. But herein lies the problem. Handing out concealed carry permits to people in dribs and drabs helps the situation, but allowing ALL people the option of armed defense reduces crime even further.

It makes for a much safer and more polite society.

In Wisconsin, for example, there is a very miniscule chance that Penny has a concealed carry permit, but if she comes to Vermont...she DOES have a concealed carry permit. Vermont has a far lower ceime rate because of this.

Trayvon would still be alive if EVERYONE in Florida could carry a gun. He would have politely waited for the police to check him out and release him because he would have assumed that GZ could cap him in a few milliseconds if he was not polite.

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I do you one better, find me six women who wouldn't feel threatned if some 28 year old man decided on a whim to start following a 17 year old boy walking home from the store, not once identifying himself. But thought it was the best of ideas to get out of his car and chase him on foot through a neighborhood.

And while you are at it, why is it justifiable that George Zimmerman can kill Trayvon Martin when he was in fear of his life, yet Trayvon Martin couldn't attack George Zimmerman because he felt threatned?

Who said Trayvon Martin couldn't? I never said that. EVER. Everyone is entitled to self defense. But you have to show up in court to claim it. That's why I carry a .45

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He should assume EVERYONE is carrying a gun. But herein lies the problem. Handing out concealed carry permits to people in dribs and drabs helps the situation, but allowing ALL people the option of armed defense reduces crime even further.

It makes for a much safer and more polite society.

In Wisconsin, for example, there is a very miniscule chance that Penny has a concealed carry permit, but if she comes to Vermont...she DOES have a concealed carry permit. Vermont has a far lower ceime rate because of this.

Trayvon would still be alive if EVERYONE in Florida could carry a gun. He would have politely waited for the police to check him out and release him because he would have assumed that GZ could cap him in a few milliseconds if he was not polite.

How about he would have been alive if George Zimmerman would have waited in his car like 911 told him to? Why does everyone think Trayvon Martin was the aggressor? Who was chasing who Gary? Who got out of the car and ran on foot after Trayvon Martin? Who never identified himself? Why does Stand your Ground work for the guy causing the incident but not the guy being chased in the first place?

Who said Trayvon Martin couldn't? I never said that. EVER. Everyone is entitled to self defense. But you have to show up in court to claim it. That's why I carry a .45

And yet you keep assuming that Trayvon Martin wasn't polite. "he would have assumed that GZ could cap him in a few milliseconds if he was not polite"

How can he show up in court Gary? He's dead, and not old enough to carry a gun.

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Everyone should walk around assuming everyone is carrying a gun. Until the perfect day when everyone IS carrying a gu

I do not defend assigned arguments. Have you misunderstood what I said? Everyone should be allowed to carry concealed firearms, it is not important if everyone does, just that everyone can.

Criminals should then properly assume everyone could be armed and act accordingly. Yes. It works well.

This is quite simple (maybe not simple enough though) In Vermont we have very low crime and everyone can be armed. Not everyone is armed, but everyone can be. I do not think that more people actually being armed in Vermont would redice crime further because the principal is the same. No one knows how many are armed. There are no permits or licenses so no one can say "10,000 people out of 600,000 people have permits to carry concealed firearms" If the percentage of people actually armed in Vermont doubled or tripled today...no one could possibly know and it could not reduce crime further.

ALL 600,000 people plus visitors have "permits" to carry. You do not have to be a citizen or a resident.

I know you believe that "more guns = less crime" but it is not really true. More access and the ability of self defense reduces crime. Choice is a good thing.

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How about he would have been alive if George Zimmerman would have waited in his car like 911 told him to? Why does everyone think Trayvon Martin was the aggressor? Who was chasing who Gary? Who got out of the car and ran on foot after Trayvon Martin? Who never identified himself? Why does Stand your Ground work for the guy causing the incident but not the guy being chased in the first place?

And yet you keep assuming that Trayvon Martin wasn't polite. "he would have assumed that GZ could cap him in a few milliseconds if he was not polite"

How can he show up in court Gary? He's dead, and not old enough to carry a gun.

I am in favor of a trial. Aren't you? I am sure the trial will answer all those questions and I have never assumed any answers to them myself. Being dead will not be to TM's advantage at the trial, Them's just the facts.

We need to reduce the age for people carrying concealed firearms, you are correct. I would like to see it similar to drivers licenses...age 16 and valid in every state. This would help people like Trayvon Martin. I am glad you agree. If GZ could have assumed TM was armed, things would have been a lot different.

People denied the ability to carry a concealed weapon can be more easily victimized, it is true. You got me there, Marvin.

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We need to reduce the age for people carrying concealed firearms, you are correct. I would like to see it similar to drivers licenses...age 16 and valid in every state. This would help people like Trayvon Martin. I am glad you agree. If GZ could have assumed TM was armed, things would have been a lot different.

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I don't believe that.

Good. Because it is not true. See, we agree.

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How about he would have been alive if George Zimmerman would have waited in his car like 911 told him to? Why does everyone think Trayvon Martin was the aggressor? Who was chasing who Gary? Who got out of the car and ran on foot after Trayvon Martin? Who never identified himself? Why does Stand your Ground work for the guy causing the incident but not the guy being chased in the first place?

And yet you keep assuming that Trayvon Martin wasn't polite. "he would have assumed that GZ could cap him in a few milliseconds if he was not polite"

How can he show up in court Gary? He's dead, and not old enough to carry a gun.

Please post where he was told to stay in the car? Travon could have gone the few hundred yards and been home . He chose to attack instead,

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complete madness.

You don't think regulations for firearms should be similar to auto ownership and use? You think anyone of any age should carry concealed firearms?

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Gary And Alla

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