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I did not like it in 2004. That was about 9 years ago. I don't like it now.

Blame Bush and get it over with

I'm not nearly as one sided as you think. I can't stand the partisan politics. We're at a point to where one side will do whatever it takes to keep from allowing the other side to get anything done. You could try to pass a law against punching babies in the face and it would meet opposition at this point. Just can't stand the Rush Limba's or Michael Moore's of the world acting like everything would be ok as long as their side was in charge. Well it wouldn't be.

Anyway, who here actually thinks Obama was directly involved in this scandal? As in, he directly knew about it and was complicit? Yeah yeah, we know, the boss is ultimately responsible, unless he does something like take out OBL. The point is, we, as a country have moved so far to our own corners that we can only be mad about things when the opposition is guilty. And that's what people are most excited about. What do you think republicans are happier about? The fact that a scandal to undermine a good portion of their base was brought to light or that the opposition was in charge when the scandal took place?

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This is no scandal. Even if they were scrutinized more than anyone they did nothing but what they were actually paid to do; investigate 501c filings?

Republican’s think everything is a scandal, which makes most people think that nothing is a scandal? Come on, they use the fake outrage WAY too often. Only the base believes in that cr@p.

How about you get some actual work done for once? It’s the same song and dance every time they lose the Presidency. Bunch of sore losers.

They did the same thing with Clinton and wasted millions investigating him for his entire presidency; and guess what, the world still loves Clinton even MORE now. And who loves Newt G after all that? Yeah, some Midwestern 80 year olds and his last wife…that’s it.

They do know how to waste money though, I’ll give them that.

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There are several distinct questionable issues in the IRS scandal and they have different responses. I think this breakdown is also important in the context of history to show where the Obama administration has gone farther than past administrations.

In order of my perceived severity:

1. The IRS used certain buzzwords, mainly connected to conservative groups, to determine where to focus scrutiny. At the end of the day, this is a non-story with a big "so what." This is just a question of efficiency and there were probably a lot more conservative groups registering at the time as the tea party was on the rise. It sort of looks bad until you think about it and it's also quite efficient.

2. Conservative groups were targeted with extra questions and longer wait times. Although this is certainly frustrating, it also doesn't really have legs. In any government organization, certain bounds of discretion are implied. At the end of the day, democracy means that to the victor goes the spoils. The administration will always use its discretion to hurt its political foes to the extent possible. Perhaps we should look at changing the way the IRS evaluates applications in order to reduce the amount of discretion allowed, but this won't make this story into some sort of scandal that warrants jail time, etc.

3. The IRS asked certain questions that went outside of their discretion. Obviously, the line of discretion is probably not as defined as it might be. But I believe that reasonable people can agree that some of the questions asked were out of bounds. For instance, questions about the plans of certain leaders to potentially run for office in the future, while seemingly benign and related, are an attack on fundamental rights. The ability to run for office is as fundamental a right of all citizens as the right to vote. You would never ask a citizen if he intended to vote or who he intended to vote for. If the IRS did it we would all cry foul. Asking about running for office is similar. As another example, questions about the religious and private views of the founders of these organizations are also out of line, in as far as those views are not necessarily the same as the goals of the organizations.

4. The final point, where I believe that the IRS crossed into illegal territory in no uncertain way, is that information from these organizations was passed to rival organizations. I have heard disputed reports about the extent and reality of these types of leaks, but to the extent these leaks happened, they go beyond the bounds of discretion and are much more than was done in past administrations to the best of my knowledge. This final point is where we really need to see how far up the administration this goes and also see who is responsible and consider jail time. These types of leaks are certainly criminal.

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This is no scandal. Even if they were scrutinized more than anyone they did nothing but what they were actually paid to do; investigate 501c filings?

Republican’s think everything is a scandal, which makes most people think that nothing is a scandal? Come on, they use the fake outrage WAY too often. Only the base believes in that cr@p.

How about you get some actual work done for once? It’s the same song and dance every time they lose the Presidency. Bunch of sore losers.

They did the same thing with Clinton and wasted millions investigating him for his entire presidency; and guess what, the world still loves Clinton even MORE now. And who loves Newt G after all that? Yeah, some Midwestern 80 year olds and his last wife…that’s it.

They do know how to waste money though, I’ll give them that.

I tend to lean more moderate than Democratic Party,

Okay, I have to be honest with you. I really don't think you're a moderate. You haven't posted anything that is even close to moderate. All of your posts are definitely from the left. There's nothing wrong with being on the left; just embrace who you are and don't try to say you're in the middle.

 

 

 

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Okay, I have to be honest with you. I really don't think you're a moderate. You haven't posted anything that is even close to moderate. All of your posts are definitely from the left. There's nothing wrong with being on the left; just embrace who you are and don't try to say you're in the middle.

It is a fact that most self-identified "moderates" are in fact bleeding heart liberals, if not outright socialists. However, as Balkanized as the US has become, it would not be hard to compare yourself to your neighbors, and consider yourself mainstream.

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It is a fact that most self-identified "moderates" are in fact bleeding heart liberals, if not outright socialists. However, as Balkanized as the US has become, it would not be hard to compare yourself to your neighbors, and consider yourself mainstream.

Just like most conservatives identify themselves as "libertarians at heart"

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Just like most conservatives identify themselves as "libertarians at heart"

Not really. Most conservatives identify themselves as such. Being called a "conservative" is respectable. That is why the left has to make up derogatory terms for them to get under their skin, while no self-respecting socialist wants to be referred to as a disgusting "liberal".

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You could try to pass a law against punching babies in the face and it would meet opposition at this point.

if i want to punch a baby in the face no stupid law is gonna stop me.

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Just like most conservatives identify themselves as "libertarians at heart"

i took a political quiz and i came out more libertarian than gary johnson. seriously, i was basically categorized in anarchist purgatory.

anyway political labels aren't really effective or useful..

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i took a political quiz and i came out more libertarian than gary johnson. seriously, i was basically categorized in anarchist purgatory.

anyway political labels aren't really effective or useful..

I tend to agree. They certainly get tossed around here a lot.

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Okay, I have to be honest with you. I really don't think you're a moderate. You haven't posted anything that is even close to moderate. All of your posts are definitely from the left. There's nothing wrong with being on the left; just embrace who you are and don't try to say you're in the middle.

Thanks for straightening out my political affiliation. ;)

It's not my fault republican's behave so bizarrely.

Last week a Marine holding an umbrella was a scandal.

I don't see any other political party even remotely close to that kind of hyperbole.

The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. 

-John Kenneth Galbraith

 

Timeline

 5-13-2013 - I129-F Send Express to Texas

 5-15-2013 - I129-F Delivered and signed for in Lewisville Texas at USCIS

 5-17-2013 - NOA1

 5-20-2013 - Check Cashed USCIS

 8-01-2013 - NOA2  (76 Days from NOA1)

 9-20-2013 - NVC received!

10-7-2013  - Received at embassy Manila (17 days from receiving at NVC)

10-21-2013 - Passed Medical

10-25-2013 - Interview scheduled

10-25-2013 - Administrative Review

11-5-2013  -  Approved

11-13-2013 - Visa received

11-19-2013 - Leaving to PI

12-3-2013 - POE Seattle WA

12-14-2013 - Wedding Ruston Washington.

 

 

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