No civilized country demolishes homes

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Friday, January 27 2012|Mairav Zonszein

MK on settler outposts: No civilized country demolishes homes

As illegal settler outposts in the West Bank continue to circumvent law and only expand, Palestinian homes that have been around for decades longer are demolished over and over again.

This week, national-religious MK Zevulun Orlev (Habayit Hayehudi) was interviewed on an Israeli news show called London & Kirschenbaum about his proposal for a bill to legalize illegal settler outposts in the West Bank.

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The private bill, which has been tabled due to the Prime Minister’s objection, would bar the state from demolishing and evacuating settler outposts in the West Bank that have been around for four years and have at least twenty families living in them.

One such outpost is Migron, which has been the center of controversy in the news in recent days as the government has once again demonstrated its pro-settler agenda. The Supreme Court has ruled the outpost must be demolished by March 2012, but Prime Minister Netanyahu has circumvented the decision by reaching an agreement with the settlers to move their illegal outpost two kilometers over and turn where they live now into a farm. Peace Now has an informative report on the Migron situation which can be found here.

So getting back to MK Orlev: In his interview, he defended the bill with the argument that (paraphrasing from the Hebrew): families who moved to the West Bank in good will and with government support cannot be evacuated from their homes because no civilized country in the world has a policy of house demolitions.

MK Orlev must therefore be unaware of his government’s deep-rooted policy of home demolitions, including the 200 house demolitions that took place in the West Bank and East Jerusalem in 2011 alone, as well as the demolitions that took place on Wednesday in Umm al Kheir, and the day before that, in Anata.

The Bedouin village of Umm al Kheir in Area C in the Southern West Bank has been suffering from repeated demolitions in recent months. The state claims that the Palestinians who bought the land as refugees following the war in 1948 do not have the rights to the land, even though they have been living there since the 1950s. In reality, the settlement of Carmel established in the 1980s is the reason for the demolition. Without moving these Palestinians out, the settlement cannot expand.

http://972mag.com/mk-on-settler-outposts-no-civilized-country-demolishes-homes/33947/

[momof1 205]

I was listening to NPR in the car this morning on the way to do some shopping and they were talking about Migron....truthfully I had never heard of it until this then. One thing that was said that really stood out to me was that NPR called Migron terrible even by Israeli standards.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

The city of Detroit has been demolishing homes. There is a large Muslim population there.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

The city of Detroit has been demolishing homes. There is a large Muslim population there.

Link, please, so we can examine this comparison.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

Link, please, so we can examine this comparison.

Both statements are factually correct, but completely unrelated. Get your sarcasm detector checked!

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Both statements are factually correct, but completely unrelated. Get your sarcasm detector checked!

It was not sarcasm. They are destroying thousands of homes in Detroit and last I checked Detroit is located in a civilized country. The OP says "No civilized country destroys homes" That is wrong. We do it right here in this country.

There are a lot of Muslims in Detroit. I never said the two items were related, why would anyone connect the two?

Civilized countries DO destroy homes, the article is wrong.

[tmma 467]

Civilized countries DO destroy homes, the article is wrong.

You got that right. We're living in one of those countries.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

It was not sarcasm. They are destroying thousands of homes in Detroit and last I checked Detroit is located in a civilized country. The OP says "No civilized country destroys homes" That is wrong. We do it right here in this country.

There are a lot of Muslims in Detroit. I never said the two items were related, why would anyone connect the two?

Civilized countries DO destroy homes, the article is wrong.

Detroit is a country? It's civilized? Aren't most of the Muslims there in Dearborn?

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

It was not sarcasm. They are destroying thousands of homes in Detroit and last I checked Detroit is located in a civilized country. The OP says "No civilized country destroys homes" That is wrong. We do it right here in this country.

There are a lot of Muslims in Detroit. I never said the two items were related, why would anyone connect the two?

Civilized countries DO destroy homes, the article is wrong.

#1. Why are these homes in Detroit of which you speak being demolished ?

#2. Who owns the homes and the property on which the demolition is taking place ?

#3. Through what authority are homes being demolished ?

#4. After the demolition, are expelled Detroit families left to live in a tent without electricity, water or toilet facilities ?

Compare/contrast:

#1. Why are Palestinian homes in the West Bank being demolished ?

#2. Who owns these homes and the property on which the demolition is taking place ?

#3. Through what authority are Palestinian homes being demolished ?

#4. After the demolition, are expelled Palestinian families left to live in a tent without electricity, water or toilet facilities ?

and

#1. Why are illegal settler homes in the West Bank being demolished ?

#2. Who owns these homes and the property on which the demolition is taking place ?

#3. Through what authority are illegal settler homes being demolished ?

#4. After the demolition, are expelled settler families left to live in a tent without electricity, water or toilet facilities ?

"Civilized" is a somewhat subjective term.

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Demolition the last resort for Ireland’s 19,000 houses in ghost estates

Eerie reminders of the Irish property boom still dot the landscape

ByANTOINETTE KELLY,IrishCentral.com Staff Writer

Published Friday, October 14, 2011, 9:21 AMUpdated Friday, October 14, 2011, 12:34 PM

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What to do with all the houses built during the Irish property boom that no one wants or can afford?

Demolishing the so-called ghost estates should be the 'last resort' for dealing with the issue of the thousands of partially finished developments dotting the country, Irish Housing Minister Willie Penrose told Business Week.

Since the last major survey was carried out less than 10 houses in three housing estates were demolished on safety grounds, Penrose told reporters in Dublin this week.

'There is no magic wand to resolve the problem of Ireland's unfinished housing estates,' he added.

The actual number of unfinished Irish housing estates has declined from 2,876 to 2,066, according to a survey released by the Housing Ministry this week. The number of complete and vacant houses now stands at 18,638 according to the report.

A further 17,872 houses are at various stages of construction and are unlikely to ever be completed.

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Year on year increase in number of ghost estates across Ireland

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Ghost estates may be bulldozed says NAMA

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Detroit is a country? It's civilized? Aren't most of the Muslims there in Dearborn?

Detroit is in a civilized country. The article is wrong

What do Muslims have to do with it?

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

#1. Why are these homes in Detroit of which you speak being demolished ?

#2. Who owns the homes and the property on which the demolition is taking place ?

#3. Through what authority are homes being demolished ?

#4. After the demolition, are expelled Detroit families left to live in a tent without electricity, water or toilet facilities ?

Compare/contrast:

#1. Why are Palestinian homes in the West Bank being demolished ?

#2. Who owns these homes and the property on which the demolition is taking place ?

#3. Through what authority are Palestinian homes being demolished ?

#4. After the demolition, are expelled Palestinian families left to live in a tent without electricity, water or toilet facilities ?

and

#1. Why are illegal settler homes in the West Bank being demolished ?

#2. Who owns these homes and the property on which the demolition is taking place ?

#3. Through what authority are illegal settler homes being demolished ?

#4. After the demolition, are expelled settler families left to live in a tent without electricity, water or toilet facilities ?

"Civilized" is a somewhat subjective term.

Who cares? The article is wrong. The article should describe the circumstances and make the comparisons, if it does not it is simply propoganda

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Who cares? The article is wrong. The article should describe the circumstances and make the comparisons, if it does not it is simply propoganda

You're incorrect. The article itself does not make the claim; it reports on the Israeli MK who makes the claim that civilized countries (he means Israel) don't demolish homes.

The article quotes him, and then goes on to make its point: that the statement is hypocritical in light of what Israel has done and continues to do to Palestinian homes.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

You're incorrect. The article itself does not make the claim; it reports on the Israeli MK who makes the claim that civilized countries (he means Israel) don't demolish homes.

The article quotes him, and then goes on to make its point: that the statement is hypocritical in light of what Israel has done and continues to do to Palestinian homes.

OK, then HE's wrong. Happy now? Never mind, silly question.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

In the US there is a planning practice by which the local planning authority rules an area to be'Blighted'. Once it is listed as such, they can force through new development in the area. This practice is the root cause of gentrification in America. One likely difference between this example and Palestine is that the original owners are compensated, though how fairly is a hot topic.

I would assume that this is the current practice in Detroit.