Amendment to beneficiary's G-325A by petitioner okay?

[Andrew and Ginger 0]

Hello!

My SO filled out her G-325A electronically, then printed, signed, and mailed to me, but left out any mention of "Last occupation abroad if not shown above" (referring to employment).

Would it be alright for me to hand-write the name of the college she went to? We both realized this should probably be filled in after she mailed her signed copy to me, and I don't want to wait another week or two for a corrected copy, but I'm worried that the USCIS might take issue with me adding to the document (or not adding to it).

[Gary and Alla 3,696]

Hello!

My SO filled out her G-325A electronically, then printed, signed, and mailed to me, but left out any mention of "Last occupation abroad if not shown above" (referring to employment).

Would it be alright for me to hand-write the name of the college she went to? We both realized this should probably be filled in after she mailed her signed copy to me, and I don't want to wait another week or two for a corrected copy, but I'm worried that the USCIS might take issue with me adding to the document (or not adding to it).

Yes it is OK. The document needs to be accurate, it does not matter who fills it out. I filled out all of Alla's paperwork (just sent her citizenship papers) and she has never filled out a single line on any form throughout the process, only signed where indicated.

[Andrew and Ginger 0]

Thanks Gary! Yeah, that makes sense.

Her employers' info (addresses, etc) are on an attached sheet because the info was typed in, but I'll have to just write very small on the form itself so I don't have to add below her signature on the attachment.

[VanessaTony 3,567]

Technically no it's not okay because it's fraud. You're altering information on a form she already signed. I also don't understand why you'd write her college under employers.

I would leave it as is. She will not be RFE'd for it. Then come her time to do her visa stuff she can take an amended copy in.

[JimVaPhuong 4,865]

Technically no it's not okay because it's fraud. You're altering information on a form she already signed. I also don't understand why you'd write her college under employers.

I would leave it as is. She will not be RFE'd for it. Then come her time to do her visa stuff she can take an amended copy in.

It's only fraud if the information is false because fraud requires an intent to deceive. An omission is not fraud. Correcting the omission with accurate information is not fraud. My divorce attorney made corrections to documents I had already signed, and he did this in front of my ex-wife's attorney, and nobody accused anybody else of fraud.

My wife gave me the information for her G-325A during a Yahoo chat session, but there were several items she didn't know the answer to. By the time I arrived in Vietnam on my next visit she still hadn't found all of the answers. We printed the G-325A with the information we had at a local internet cafe, and she signed it. She gave me the rest of the information after I returned to the US, and I wrote it on the form by hand. There were also a couple of corrections, and I drew a line through the original information and wrote the corrected information next to it. I initialed the additions and corrections with MY initials, and explained in the attachment (which was needed for the ridiculously long addresses) that I had made the additions and corrections to the form. It was accepted by USCIS without question or RFE.

As Gary indicated, I think their primary concern is that the information is complete and accurate. I think it would be different if you were trying to make corrections to the I-129F after it were approved because the corrections would make it a different petition from the one that was approved, and might nullify the approval. I don't see any problems with making accurate corrections to a form before it's been submitted.

[Gary and Alla 3,696]

Technically no it's not okay because it's fraud. You're altering information on a form she already signed. I also don't understand why you'd write her college under employers.

I would leave it as is. She will not be RFE'd for it. Then come her time to do her visa stuff she can take an amended copy in.

This is not correct. There is no requirement that the beneficiary even fill out the form herself and no requirment for a foreign benficiary to sign it.

If the information is correct, there can be no fraud.

I have posted the USCIS internal memo on the matter of the signature many times.

There is NO NEED to list her college unless she worked for her college, they are not asking about education.

[Gary and Alla 3,696]

It's only fraud if the information is false because fraud requires an intent to deceive. An omission is not fraud. Correcting the omission with accurate information is not fraud. My divorce attorney made corrections to documents I had already signed, and he did this in front of my ex-wife's attorney, and nobody accused anybody else of fraud.

My wife gave me the information for her G-325A during a Yahoo chat session, but there were several items she didn't know the answer to. By the time I arrived in Vietnam on my next visit she still hadn't found all of the answers. We printed the G-325A with the information we had at a local internet cafe, and she signed it. She gave me the rest of the information after I returned to the US, and I wrote it on the form by hand. There were also a couple of corrections, and I drew a line through the original information and wrote the corrected information next to it. I initialed the additions and corrections with MY initials, and explained in the attachment (which was needed for the ridiculously long addresses) that I had made the additions and corrections to the form. It was accepted by USCIS without question or RFE.

As Gary indicated, I think their primary concern is that the information is complete and accurate. I think it would be different if you were trying to make corrections to the I-129F after it were approved because the corrections would make it a different petition from the one that was approved, and might nullify the approval. I don't see any problems with making accurate corrections to a form before it's been submitted.

My wife gave me signed, blank G-325a forms (more than one in case I messed up) In fact I did make a mistake on her birthdate and this was ointed out to us at the interview (long after petition approval) Alla drew a line through the incorrect information, wrote the correct information and initialed it. The form can be filled out on the computer by anyone and signed at the interview if you prefer.

It is a biographical data sheet, why on earth would it be bad to make information CORRECT?

[Andrew and Ginger 0]

This might be an argument for a different thread, but I've gone back and forth on this, and I reached the [uneasy] conclusion that:

"Applicant's employment last five years. (If none, so state.) List present employment first" means employment, as in work, and

"Last occupation abroad if not shown above. (Include all information requested above.)" means any occupation that falls outside of the scope of "employment", which would include being a student.

Right?

Edited November 11, 2011 by Andrew and Ginger

[VanessaTony 3,567]

This might be an argument for a different thread, but I've gone back and forth on this, and I reached the [uneasy] conclusion that:

"Applicant's employment last five years. (If none, so state.) List present employment first" means employment, as in work, and

"Last occupation abroad if not shown above. (Include all information requested above.)" means any occupation that falls outside of the scope of "employment", which would include being a student.

Right?

You're right on the first point and wrong on the second. It wants employment for the "last five years" (your first point) so you would stop at 5 years. Assuming she worked abroad 6 years ago she wouldn't list it in the top section but WOULD list it in the "last occupation abroad". But college isn't an occupation.

My wife gave me signed, blank G-325a forms (more than one in case I messed up) In fact I did make a mistake on her birthdate and this was ointed out to us at the interview (long after petition approval) Alla drew a line through the incorrect information, wrote the correct information and initialed it. The form can be filled out on the computer by anyone and signed at the interview if you prefer.

It is a biographical data sheet, why on earth would it be bad to make information CORRECT?

I'll note you say Alla initialled the change. How would the OP's fiancee initial the change?

Edited November 12, 2011 by Vanessa&Tony

[Andrew and Ginger 0]

I think I'll just leave it as it is then, for my case. I will be attaching her letter of completion from the school she went to (since it happens to support other evidence of having met within 2 years), but that's it.

Thanks, everyone! Glad I found this place!

[Gary and Alla 3,696]

You're right on the first point and wrong on the second. It wants employment for the "last five years" (your first point) so you would stop at 5 years. Assuming she worked abroad 6 years ago she wouldn't list it in the top section but WOULD list it in the "last occupation abroad". But college isn't an occupation.

I'll note you say Alla initialled the change. How would the OP's fiancee initial the change?

with HIS initials. The person making the change initials it, if you use that method. It is also acceptable to use white out

It is important that the information be CORRECT, it is NOT important who wrote it.

I think I'll just leave it as it is then, for my case. I will be attaching her letter of completion from the school she went to (since it happens to support other evidence of having met within 2 years), but that's it.

Thanks, everyone! Glad I found this place!

They are not asking about school. what happens if you leave it as is? Nothing.

Good luck.