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wow steve, for all your whining about due process for terrorists, your so quick in your judgement here. does this man not deserve his due process also? :whistle:

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:blink: You're serious? "Due process for terrorists"??? Terrorists - he says...hmmmm. And of course, the court of public opinion really stings against the skin. Due process in a court of law on the other hand...who needs a court when King George makes the rules? 'Comeback' when you've actually have got one. ;)

you take umbrage at 'terrorist' yet you openly call this guy a slime when he hasn't been found guilty of anything yet.

Presuming someone whose being detained a terrorist and calling someone a slimeball, I think most would agree, are two very different things.

Perhaps I'm mistaken but I've never heard of anyone dying from me having a negative opinion of their character. But maybe you can enlighten me? ;)

You're presuming he's guilty despite his being technically innocent. Heaven forbid anyone do that with a detainee, and you'd be all over that shiznit, no?

Seperate set of rules, it seems!

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wow steve, for all your whining about due process for terrorists, your so quick in your judgement here. does this man not deserve his due process also? :whistle:

surveysays3.jpg

:blink: You're serious? "Due process for terrorists"??? Terrorists - he says...hmmmm. And of course, the court of public opinion really stings against the skin. Due process in a court of law on the other hand...who needs a court when King George makes the rules? 'Comeback' when you've actually have got one. ;)

you take umbrage at 'terrorist' yet you openly call this guy a slime when he hasn't been found guilty of anything yet.

Presuming someone whose being detained a terrorist and calling someone a slimeball, I think most would agree, are two very different things.

Perhaps I'm mistaken but I've never heard of anyone dying from me having a negative opinion of their character. But maybe you can enlighten me? ;)

You're presuming he's guilty despite his being technically innocent. Heaven forbid anyone do that with a detainee, and you'd be all over that shiznit, no?

Seperate set of rules, it seems!

Oye, Lisa. :whistle: Based on the evidence presented in the article, I reasonably concluded and formed the opinion that he is a slimeball. My opinion of him won't put him behind bars nor will he suffer any physical or mental anguish. If you see hypocracy in that then I give up...you win.

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wow steve, for all your whining about due process for terrorists, your so quick in your judgement here. does this man not deserve his due process also? :whistle:

surveysays3.jpg

:blink: You're serious? "Due process for terrorists"??? Terrorists - he says...hmmmm. And of course, the court of public opinion really stings against the skin. Due process in a court of law on the other hand...who needs a court when King George makes the rules? 'Comeback' when you've actually have got one. ;)

you take umbrage at 'terrorist' yet you openly call this guy a slime when he hasn't been found guilty of anything yet.

Presuming someone whose being detained a terrorist and calling someone a slimeball, I think most would agree, are two very different things.

Perhaps I'm mistaken but I've never heard of anyone dying from me having a negative opinion of their character. But maybe you can enlighten me? ;)

You're presuming he's guilty despite his being technically innocent. Heaven forbid anyone do that with a detainee, and you'd be all over that shiznit, no?

Seperate set of rules, it seems!

Oye, Lisa. :whistle: Based on the evidence presented in the article, I reasonably concluded and formed the opinion that he is a slimeball. My opinion of him won't put him behind bars nor will he suffer any physical or mental anguish. If you see hypocracy in that then I give up...you win.

i see major hypocrisy. 2 sides to every story. you hear 1 side and then you think you can reasonably conclude. well, maybe not so much hypocrisy, now that i think about it. you only hear 1 side of a detainee's story and you make conclusions also. but i do find it funny that you whine about detainees due process, yet in your mind this "slimeball" is already guilty as charged, no due process necessary.

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a chopf##k indeed

there are many of them in this world brother dean... the list just keeps getting longer....

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a chopf##k indeed

there are many of them in this world brother dean... the list just keeps getting longer....

i agree bro robert....and a few on vj too

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a chopf##k indeed

there are many of them in this world brother dean... the list just keeps getting longer....

i agree bro robert....and a few on vj too

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as unfortunate as that is... :(

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a chopf##k indeed

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wow steve, for all your whining about due process for terrorists, your so quick in your judgement here. does this man not deserve his due process also? :whistle:

surveysays3.jpg

:blink: You're serious? "Due process for terrorists"??? Terrorists - he says...hmmmm. And of course, the court of public opinion really stings against the skin. Due process in a court of law on the other hand...who needs a court when King George makes the rules? 'Comeback' when you've actually have got one. ;)

you take umbrage at 'terrorist' yet you openly call this guy a slime when he hasn't been found guilty of anything yet.

Presuming someone whose being detained a terrorist and calling someone a slimeball, I think most would agree, are two very different things.

Perhaps I'm mistaken but I've never heard of anyone dying from me having a negative opinion of their character. But maybe you can enlighten me? ;)

You're presuming he's guilty despite his being technically innocent. Heaven forbid anyone do that with a detainee, and you'd be all over that shiznit, no?

Seperate set of rules, it seems!

Oye, Lisa. :whistle: Based on the evidence presented in the article, I reasonably concluded and formed the opinion that he is a slimeball. My opinion of him won't put him behind bars nor will he suffer any physical or mental anguish. If you see hypocracy in that then I give up...you win.

i see major hypocrisy. 2 sides to every story. you hear 1 side and then you think you can reasonably conclude. well, maybe not so much hypocrisy, now that i think about it. you only hear 1 side of a detainee's story and you make conclusions also. but i do find it funny that you whine about detainees due process, yet in your mind this "slimeball" is already guilty as charged, no due process necessary.

I'll spell it out as clearly as I can - forming a personal opinion about someone's character is DIFFERENT than a government taking someone, throwing them into prison and beating a confession out of them.

Due process is - an individual's right to be adequately notified of charges or proceedings involving him, and the opportunity to be heard at these proceedings. In criminal cases, it ensures that an accused person will not be subjected to cruel and unusual punishment.

Does calling someone a slimeball hinder or infringe upon the man's due process in ANY WAY???

I'd recommend taking a class on critical thinking at your local community college...it will help you in learning how to argue.

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I'll spell it out as clearly as I can - forming a personal opinion about someone's character is DIFFERENT than a government taking someone, throwing them into prison and beating a confession out of them.

Due process is - an individual's right to be adequately notified of charges or proceedings involving him, and the opportunity to be heard at these proceedings. In criminal cases, it ensures that an accused person will not be subjected to cruel and unusual punishment.

Does calling someone a slimeball hinder or infringe upon the man's due process in ANY WAY???

I'd recommend taking a class on critical thinking at your local community college...it will help you in learning how to argue.

Due Process or the idea of innocent until proven guilty isnt found in the majority of the world

beating a confession out of someone is hardly something new that the US gov'ment came up with.

critical thinking classes teach one how to DEBATE... argueing is learned at home with siblings :P

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... argueing is learned at home with siblings :P

Oh that is so very true Miro :lol:

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I'll spell it out as clearly as I can - forming a personal opinion about someone's character is DIFFERENT than a government taking someone, throwing them into prison and beating a confession out of them.

Due process is - an individual's right to be adequately notified of charges or proceedings involving him, and the opportunity to be heard at these proceedings. In criminal cases, it ensures that an accused person will not be subjected to cruel and unusual punishment.

Does calling someone a slimeball hinder or infringe upon the man's due process in ANY WAY???

I'd recommend taking a class on critical thinking at your local community college...it will help you in learning how to argue.

Due Process or the idea of innocent until proven guilty isnt found in the majority of the world

beating a confession out of someone is hardly something new that the US gov'ment came up with.

critical thinking classes teach one how to DEBATE... argueing is learned at home with siblings :P

All true, but the idea of due process and innocent until proven guilty is one of those things that makes the United States one of the best countries in the world, and beating confessions out of people is one of those things that makes other countries *not* the best countries in the world.

If we become like countries that have no due process and beat confessions out of people ... we are no longer great. :huh:

While keeping in mind that we don't know the full story here wouldn't hurt, we know absolutely nothing at all about what detainees all over the world may or may not have done or are alleged to have done ... and even more of a travesty is that neither do they. That's due process. I don't doubt that if Steven'n'Jinky were to read an article setting forth everything a detainee was alleged to have done and interviews with people who were involved in the investigation, he might think the detainee was a slimeball as well. But as he said, his opinion of them is in no way related to their due process rights, nor does the fact that they may or may not actually be slimeballs mean they should not have those rights.

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I'd recommend taking a class on critical thinking at your local community college...it will help you in learning how to argue.

you just can get away from that condescending attitude, can you steve. you just keep it up, all you liberals with your superiority complex is exactly the reason you're no longer in power now.

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