No Easter Greeting from Obama, yet he has never missed A muslim greeting.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

The thread title may be inaccurate, but the entire theme is not. There is the appearance that the President, his administration and others in Government seem to neglect or ignore some Christian ideas and concepts at varying times throughout the year. Just the other day Harry Reid neglected to include the words "under God" while saying the pledge of allegiance. I suppose that is to the delight of some, it is to the concern of others.

I do not know if The Lord enjoy's brevity or not, but I do know through scriptures that he does enjoy praise. There sometimes appears to be some lacking of praise from the current President imho.

Okay, so why bother comparing it to a speech to muslims? Are we measuring his Christianity now by the length of his speeches regarding other religions?

Edited April 26, 2011 by Sousuke

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Okay, so why bother comparing it to a speech to muslims? Are we measuring his Christianity now by the length of his speeches regarding other religions?

Moreover, as Christians should we be measuring others faith at all? Is this what God wants?

Edited April 26, 2011 by Sousuke

[wshc 46]

Okay, so why bother comparing it to a speech to muslims? Are we measuring his Christianity now by the length of his speeches regarding other religions?

I am not measuring him or judging him at all. That judgement will come one day and not from me. I think his speech to Muslims is fine as well as to any other religion for that matter. The USA is the home of religious freedom. There is a constant attack upon Christians and especially conservative Christians from several directions. If the leader of the USA were to maybe make the main theme of his weekly radio address on Easter Weekend a theme oriented towards Christians in the USA and around the world, I would have been pleased. The decision was not to take that opportunity to use Easter Weekend for an Easter themed address, so be it. I feel he is pandering to the anti-Christian groups in this country purely for political reasons imho.

[Vi-Jay 218]

Sometimes, it's what's not said that is the loudest. Edited April 26, 2011 by Vi-Jay

[wshc 46]

Moreover, as Christians should we be measuring others faith at all? Is this what God wants?

Very good point. Thanks for making it. We should not judge because we will be judged ourselves.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

I am not measuring him or judging him at all. That judgement will come one day and not from me. I think his speech to Muslims is fine as well as to any other religion for that matter. The USA is the home of religious freedom. There is a constant attack upon Christians and especially conservative Christians from several directions. If the leader of the USA were to maybe make the main theme of his weekly radio address on Easter Weekend a theme oriented towards Christians in the USA and around the world, I would have been pleased. The decision was not to take that opportunity to use Easter Weekend for an Easter themed address, so be it. I feel he is pandering to the anti-Christian groups in this country purely for political reasons imho.

Wait so other religions are automatically anti Christian. (or are you referring to something else here?...given the recent context of your posts I would assume you mean Islam?)

Going back I still don't see how different speech times equates to neglecting or ignoring Christianity. For instance is it not possible for a shorter speech to be greater than a longer one?

Edited April 26, 2011 by Sousuke

[wshc 46]

I am not talking about other religions at all so don't read in to something that is not there. I am talking about the modern anti religion part of society. Or to put it a better way, the trend in modern society to mock religion, especially Christianity, but others as well and I am sure in other parts of the world their modern societal trends is to mock the predominant religion of that part of the world. I could be all wrong, but I can picture that it is in trend for young adults in x-country to mock x-religion. It is a generational thing too, all around the world. Don't know for sure, but I bet it is the same all over.

As far as speech length, you are absolutely correct. One of the most power speeches ever given was one of shortest, (don't want to count the words or I will be called a name)

Never....Never.....Never Give Up (Except from Speech that was very short)

Winston Churchill

Edited April 26, 2011 by wshc

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

I am not talking about other religions at all so don't read in to something that is not there. I am talking about the modern anti religion part of society. Or to put it a better way, the trend in modern society to mock religion, especially Christianity, but others as well and I am sure in other parts of the world their modern societal trends is to mock the predominant religion of that part of the world. I could be all wrong, but I can picture that it is in trend for young adults in x-country to mock x-religion. It is a generational thing too, all around the world. Don't know for sure, but I bet it is the same all over.

As far as speech length, you are absolutely correct. One of the most power speeches ever given was one of the most powerful, (don't want to count the words or I will be called a name)

Never....Never.....Never Give Up (Except from Speech that was very short)

Winston Churchill

To be fair I was always taught that Christianity is under attack but as I've grown up I've never felt it personally. Even in the UK, which is basically an atheist nation (IMO) I never was discriminated against. (Except my roommates did once watch some program on virginity rings while I was out. When I came in they kept asking me all these questions about a silver ring on my finger. I finally got to the bottom of that! ).

Edited April 26, 2011 by Sousuke

[Little_My 463]

What ever happened to good ol' separation of church and state? Politics are run by the president and the political parties - what is run by God is a whole other matter, and largely a question of personal devotion and beliefs. Does he really need to give a laundry list of religions and God-figures in every speech and public address to satisfy the public? And, again, as has been established in this thread many many times already - he did not forget the Christians in his Easter greetings.

Obama is a God-believing man. Trying to turn him into anything else is just desperate attempts to grasp onto anything that can somehow be twisted into a "mistake by the Whitehouse". If he failed to acknowledge the Muslims in his speech, that would have been turned into something as well. If he acknowledges them too much, it is suspicious, since - after all - his middle name is Hussein.

And, I don't mean to insult anyone by this - but saying that the Christian religion is under constant attacks is like saying that the white male is being oppressed. If the Christian church is losing support, it most definitely is not because of something Obama said or did not say. You're right, wshc, the Lutheran church is losing support in Europe, at least in Scandinavia. I have my own opinions about why that is - but I can most certainly say that it is not because of Obama and the Whitehouse's holiday greetings.

Edited April 26, 2011 by Little_My

[Zero Sum 305]

Trig, do you know what the word Insinuate means?

Enlighten me; its your thread and your OP.

(Don't make something about you deflect on others)

Again, Danno, the weekly address this last Saturday started as follows: "This is a time of year when people get together with family and friends to observe Passover and to celebrate Easter. It’s a chance to give thanks for our blessings and reaffirm our faith, while spending time with the people we love."

No mention of Easter, eh?

Political schizophrenia...

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I am not talking about other religions at all so don't read in to something that is not there. I am talking about the modern anti religion part of society. Or to put it a better way, the trend in modern society to mock religion, especially Christianity, but others as well and I am sure in other parts of the world their modern societal trends is to mock the predominant religion of that part of the world. I could be all wrong, but I can picture that it is in trend for young adults in x-country to mock x-religion. It is a generational thing too, all around the world. Don't know for sure, but I bet it is the same all over.

So, is it mocking Christianity when major retailers open their stores on the holiest of days - that would be Easter - in the supposedly most Christian nation on earth while letting them enjoy Christmas w/o having to drag their collective arses into work? Is it mocking Christianity when the parking lots of said retailers are packed all fcuking day on this holiest day? Isn't it funny that out of two grocery chains down here in Florida that actually respect the Easter holiday one is actually a German company? You know, Germany where people have - if you listen to the religious right here in the US - long lost their way?

I mean, we're a Christian nation - as the religious right tirelessly reminds us - and can't even put shopping or churning a fcuking profit aside for this holiest day in the fcuking calendar? Can you spell hypocrisy? Can you? When are all the Bible thumpers starting to boycott Big Lots and Walmart and Walgreens and CVS and all the other unchristian places of business that won't allow their staff to properly observe the holiest day and are quite obviously concerned about nothing but making a buck. When? Tell me and then I might consider taking these righteous folks somewhat more seriously.

Edited April 26, 2011 by Mr. Big Dog

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Hell, I hate Fox News and I'm a conservative.

You're part of an endangered species.

[wshc 46]

To be fair I was always taught that Christianity is under attack but as I've grown up I've never felt it personally. Even in the UK, which is basically an atheist nation (IMO) I never was discriminated against. (Except my roommates did once watch some program on virginity rings while I was out. When I came in they kept asking me all these questions about a silver ring on my finger. I finally got to the bottom of that! ).

I agree with you on those well made points. But then just a few posts from here and you will see an attack on Christianity. He makes a valid point about Christian hypocrites, but his language delegates the conversation from being intelligent to being nothing but rubbish unfortunately.

So I am unsure if an attack from a foul mouth person on an internet forum is a personal attack against me as a Christian or Christianity. Thoughts?

Edited April 26, 2011 by wshc

[Fandango 1,439]

I am not measuring him or judging him at all. That judgement will come one day and not from me. I think his speech to Muslims is fine as well as to any other religion for that matter. The USA is the home of religious freedom. There is a constant attack upon Christians and especially conservative Christians from several directions. If the leader of the USA were to maybe make the main theme of his weekly radio address on Easter Weekend a theme oriented towards Christians in the USA and around the world, I would have been pleased. The decision was not to take that opportunity to use Easter Weekend for an Easter themed address, so be it. I feel he is pandering to the anti-Christian groups in this country purely for political reasons imho.

+1 Well said.

although, to the red, I'd say 'non-Christian' was a better term.

Edited April 26, 2011 by Anita Cocktail

[Brad and Vika 129]

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