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Hi everyone,

Another question on my situation: I have been reading about the so-called red flags which include short courtships. I met my fiance in late 2009, we didn't communicate much in 2010 as she wasn't a fan of long distance relationships. We met again in October 2010 made my feelings known, I proposed in December 2010 and plan to marry in April 2011. Is this timeline considered a short courtship? 5 months of communication. There is hardly any evidence of communication in early-to-mid 2010 as I was sending my regards to her through another friend. The persistance paid off though.....

Thanks in advance.

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Filed: Citizen (apr) Country: Canada
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Since the Aus consulate is not considered a high fraud consulate, I suspect you are OK. I do suggest you gather as much evidence as you can of your early communications - perhaps an affidavit from the friend might be helpful, if only to ease your mind

Tero - the visiting in the last 2 years does not apply to a spousal visa, that is only for a K-1.

Good luck


USCIS
August 12, 2008 - petition sent
August 16, 2008 - NOA-1
February 10, 2009 - NOA-2
178 DAYS FROM NOA-1


NVC
February 13, 2009 - NVC case number assigned
March 12, 2009 - Case Complete
25 DAY TRIP THROUGH NVC


Medical
May 4, 2009


Interview
May, 26, 2009


POE - June 20, 2009 Toronto - Atlanta, GA

Removal of Conditions
Filed - April 14, 2011
Biometrics - June 2, 2011 (early)
Approval - November 9, 2011
209 DAY TRIP TO REMOVE CONDITIONS

Citizenship

April 29, 2013 - NOA1 for petition received

September 10, 2013 Interview - decision could not be made.

April 15, 2014 APPROVED. Wait for oath ceremony

Waited...

September 29, 2015 - sent letter to senator.

October 16, 2015 - US Citizen

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Hi everyone,

Another question on my situation: I have been reading about the so-called red flags which include short courtships. I met my fiance in late 2009, we didn't communicate much in 2010 as she wasn't a fan of long distance relationships. We met again in October 2010 made my feelings known, I proposed in December 2010 and plan to marry in April 2011. Is this timeline considered a short courtship? 5 months of communication. There is hardly any evidence of communication in early-to-mid 2010 as I was sending my regards to her through another friend. The persistance paid off though.....

Thanks in advance.

Let me be clear, you (USC) are planning on going to Australia in April to get married? I guess upon your return to the US you would pe filing the I-130 to pursue the CR1 visa. Right?

Even though it will be a short engagement there are things in your favor:

-There are many other members whose relationships were even newer before they decided to get married or file for the K1 visa. So, your short engagement is not as short as you may think!

- Your fiancee is in a 1st world country and I have really not read anything in VJ that would indicate that it is a difficult consulate to overcome.

Prepare as though you would really need to overcome a difficult consulate though. Gather evidence of relationship and once you get married try to make changes in your financial life that would reflect the "real" nature of your relationship (insurance policies, for example).

Best wishes! (F)


August 23, 2010 - I-129 F package sent via USPS priority mail with delivery confirmation.

August 30, 2010 - Per Department of Homeland Security (DHS) e-mail, petition received and routed to California Service Center for processing. Check cashed. I-797C Notice of Action by mail (NOA 1) - Received date 08/25/2010. Notice date 08/27/2010.

After 150 days of imposed anxious patience...

January 24, 2011 - Per USCIS website, petition approved and notice mailed.

January 31, 2011 - Approval receipt notice (NOA 2) received by mail. Called NVC, given Santo Domingo case number, and informed that petition was sent same day to consulate.

Called Visa Specialist at the Department of State every day for a case update. Informed of interview date on February, 16 2011. Informed that packet was mailed to fiance on February, 15 2011.

February 21, 2011 - Fiance has not yet received packet. Called 1-877-804-5402 (Visa Information Center of the United States Embassy) to request a duplicate packet in person pick-up at the US consulate in Santo Domingo. Packet can be picked-up by fiance on 02/28.

March 1, 2011 - Medical exam completed at Consultorios de Visa in Santo Domingo.

March 9, 2011 at 6 AM - Interview, approved!

March 18, 2011 - POE together. JFK and O'Hare airports. Legal wedding: May 16, 2011.

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Hi everyone,

Another question on my situation: I have been reading about the so-called red flags which include short courtships. I met my fiance in late 2009, we didn't communicate much in 2010 as she wasn't a fan of long distance relationships. We met again in October 2010 made my feelings known, I proposed in December 2010 and plan to marry in April 2011. Is this timeline considered a short courtship? 5 months of communication. There is hardly any evidence of communication in early-to-mid 2010 as I was sending my regards to her through another friend. The persistance paid off though.....

Thanks in advance.

Even though Sydney is an easy consulate compared to others you do need to make sure you have all your evidence of your relationship. The affidavit from friends is a really good idea. But as you are coming to marry in OZ your CR1 should go through with reasonable ease. We started a K1 last year Feb and we had only known each other 5 months before we decided to go ahead with this too. Don't know if our age was a factor but we had no issues at all. I actually met my hubbie on line in dec 2008 but we did not connect till July 2009. Good luck


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Married only 2 years 1 month

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Your fiancee is in a 1st world country [...] Prepare as though you would really need to overcome a difficult consulate though.
Worthy of re-emphasis, si man.

06-04-2007 = TSC stamps postal return-receipt for I-129f.

06-11-2007 = NOA1 date (unknown to me).

07-20-2007 = Phoned Immigration Officer; got WAC#; where's NOA1?

09-25-2007 = Touch (first-ever).

09-28-2007 = NOA1, 23 days after their 45-day promise to send it (grrrr).

10-20 & 11-14-2007 = Phoned ImmOffs; "still pending."

12-11-2007 = 180 days; file is "between workstations, may be early Jan."; touches 12/11 & 12/12.

12-18-2007 = Call; file is with Division 9 ofcr. (bckgrnd check); e-prompt to shake it; touch.

12-19-2007 = NOA2 by e-mail & web, dated 12-18-07 (187 days; 201 per VJ); in mail 12/24/07.

01-09-2008 = File from USCIS to NVC, 1-4-08; NVC creates file, 1/15/08; to consulate 1/16/08.

01-23-2008 = Consulate gets file; outdated Packet 4 mailed to fiancee 1/27/08; rec'd 3/3/08.

04-29-2008 = Fiancee's 4-min. consular interview, 8:30 a.m.; much evidence brought but not allowed to be presented (consul: "More proof! Second interview! Bring your fiance!").

05-05-2008 = Infuriating $12 call to non-English-speaking consulate appointment-setter.

05-06-2008 = Better $12 call to English-speaker; "joint" interview date 6/30/08 (my selection).

06-30-2008 = Stokes Interrogations w/Ecuadorian (not USC); "wait 2 weeks; we'll mail her."

07-2008 = Daily calls to DOS: "currently processing"; 8/05 = Phoned consulate, got Section Chief; wrote him.

08-07-08 = E-mail from consulate, promising to issue visa "as soon as we get her passport" (on 8/12, per DHL).

08-27-08 = Phoned consulate (they "couldn't find" our file); visa DHL'd 8/28; in hand 9/1; through POE on 10/9 with NO hassles(!).

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Filed: IR-1/CR-1 Visa Country: Austria
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I think as long as you both are about the same age and have more or less the same status of living (see first world country) you should be fine.


Service Center: California Service Center

Consulate: Austria

Marriage: 2010-11-19

I-130 Sent : 2010-12-20

I-130 NOA1 : 2011-01-05

I-130 NOA2 : 2011-05-09

Received NVC Case Number on 5/21,

Sent DS-3032 and paid AOS bill on 5/21,

Paid IV Bill on 5/25

Sent both packages on 6/1

Packages arrived 6/6

SIF & CC 6/20

Medical 7/25

Interview 8/9

Received visa 8/16

Flight to the US 10/4 (POE = IAD)

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I think as long as you both are about the same age and have more or less the same status of living (see first world country) you should be fine.

Thanks for the responses.

My fiance is the USC, and I am Australian, living in Sydney. It is me doing the travelling, 3rd time in April and staying for 4 weeks. There is an age gap of 14 year - Im older, and significantly wealthier and more educated, so much that it appears I will have to use my assets for the Affidavit of Support otherwise a co-sponsor will certainly be required. She is not in a position to manage this process so I have taken an upper hand. The K-1 route is not favaourable as I have a job here and mortgage commitments, and I am already the bread winner in a family of 3, soon to be 4. I need to be able to work soon after arrival. Also, it buys us a few months here to sell 2 properties. We already have some joint financial arrangements even before the marriage. Hope thats not a negative.

Any comments will be appreciated.

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Filed: Citizen (apr) Country: Canada
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Just to clarify, YOU cannot do the Affidavit of Support, the USC does. The USC must show the assest or income to support you.

Good luck


USCIS
August 12, 2008 - petition sent
August 16, 2008 - NOA-1
February 10, 2009 - NOA-2
178 DAYS FROM NOA-1


NVC
February 13, 2009 - NVC case number assigned
March 12, 2009 - Case Complete
25 DAY TRIP THROUGH NVC


Medical
May 4, 2009


Interview
May, 26, 2009


POE - June 20, 2009 Toronto - Atlanta, GA

Removal of Conditions
Filed - April 14, 2011
Biometrics - June 2, 2011 (early)
Approval - November 9, 2011
209 DAY TRIP TO REMOVE CONDITIONS

Citizenship

April 29, 2013 - NOA1 for petition received

September 10, 2013 Interview - decision could not be made.

April 15, 2014 APPROVED. Wait for oath ceremony

Waited...

September 29, 2015 - sent letter to senator.

October 16, 2015 - US Citizen

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Thanks for the responses.

My fiance is the USC, and I am Australian, living in Sydney. It is me doing the travelling, 3rd time in April and staying for 4 weeks. There is an age gap of 14 year - Im older, and significantly wealthier and more educated, so much that it appears I will have to use my assets for the Affidavit of Support otherwise a co-sponsor will certainly be required. She is not in a position to manage this process so I have taken an upper hand. The K-1 route is not favaourable as I have a job here and mortgage commitments, and I am already the bread winner in a family of 3, soon to be 4. I need to be able to work soon after arrival. Also, it buys us a few months here to sell 2 properties. We already have some joint financial arrangements even before the marriage. Hope thats not a negative.

Any comments will be appreciated.

Can you clarify..... Are you planning to move to the US? As I understand it, your fiance is the US citizen, and you are planning to marry in the US, then file the I130 so that you can move to the US? If so, SHE is the one who has to show that she can support you. If she can't, she'll need a co-sponsor. I'm not certain they will acknowledge your assets unless they are held jointly by you and your fiance here in the US.

As for the courtship, I'm sure many of us had short courtships. I think what is important is that you can establish a bona fide relationship with photos, travel receipts, joint finances, affidavits, chat logs, phone records, etc. I wouldn't worry too much about the time frame unless you don't have these items.

Hope this helps, and good luck to you!

Niki

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Can you clarify..... Are you planning to move to the US? As I understand it, your fiance is the US citizen, and you are planning to marry in the US, then file the I130 so that you can move to the US? If so, SHE is the one who has to show that she can support you. If she can't, she'll need a co-sponsor. I'm not certain they will acknowledge your assets unless they are held jointly by you and your fiance here in the US.

As for the courtship, I'm sure many of us had short courtships. I think what is important is that you can establish a bona fide relationship with photos, travel receipts, joint finances, affidavits, chat logs, phone records, etc. I wouldn't worry too much about the time frame unless you don't have these items.

Hope this helps, and good luck to you!

Niki

Yes, its me moving to the USA. The assets are here in Australia. I read here a while ago that the beneficiary's assets can be used to calculate the 125%-above-the-poverty-line amount. Is that correct?

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Yes, your assets can absolutely be used--here is the verbiage from the I-864 instructions:

" The value of your assets, the assets of any household member who has signed a Form I-864A, or the assets of the intending immigrant."

However, it is unclear to me if the assets have to be in the US or not--I can't find any statement that suggests you can't use foreign assets.

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http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/i-864instr.pdf

See "total value of assets" to explain what you need to do.

Good luck


USCIS
August 12, 2008 - petition sent
August 16, 2008 - NOA-1
February 10, 2009 - NOA-2
178 DAYS FROM NOA-1


NVC
February 13, 2009 - NVC case number assigned
March 12, 2009 - Case Complete
25 DAY TRIP THROUGH NVC


Medical
May 4, 2009


Interview
May, 26, 2009


POE - June 20, 2009 Toronto - Atlanta, GA

Removal of Conditions
Filed - April 14, 2011
Biometrics - June 2, 2011 (early)
Approval - November 9, 2011
209 DAY TRIP TO REMOVE CONDITIONS

Citizenship

April 29, 2013 - NOA1 for petition received

September 10, 2013 Interview - decision could not be made.

April 15, 2014 APPROVED. Wait for oath ceremony

Waited...

September 29, 2015 - sent letter to senator.

October 16, 2015 - US Citizen

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http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/i-864instr.pdf

See "total value of assets" to explain what you need to do.

Good luck

Thanks for the link. I have read the instructions and yes, beneficiary's assets are considered, including the equity in a property. So thats good news, we won't need a co-sponsor by the look of things. I am inclided to using am immigration lawyer at this stage there is just too much to navigate.

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Filed: Citizen (apr) Country: Ireland
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Thanks for the link. I have read the instructions and yes, beneficiary's assets are considered, including the equity in a property. So thats good news, we won't need a co-sponsor by the look of things. I am inclided to using am immigration lawyer at this stage there is just too much to navigate.

Just a little more patience and you wont need an immigration lawyer. I believe lwayers are really useful for those with legal issues(overstaying a previous visit, criminal record etc...) Anything outside that, hiring a lawayer in my opinion is a waste of money since you will still have to do a lot of things yourself.



N400


Filing based on 3yrs/USC Spouse. 3 year residency anniversary is in August 2014. Filed immediately after the 90-day early filing mark (May 2014)


05/06/2014 - Mailed N-400

05/15/2014 - Check cashed

05/12/2014 - NOA Date

06/11/2014 - Biometrics Appointment

09/15/2014 - Inline for interview scheduling (was stuck in "Initial Review" for over 3 months!)

10/27/2014 - Scheduled for interview

12/01/2014 - Interview

12/19/2014 - I AM A US CITIZEN!


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