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As ThinkProgress has noted, there are currently two competing visions of governance in the United States. One, the conservative vision, believes in the on-your-own society, and informs a policy agenda that primarily serves the well off and privileged sectors of the country. The other vision, the progressive one, believes in an American Dream that works for all people, regardless of their racial, religious, or economic background.

The conservative vision was on full display last week in Obion County, Tennessee. In this rural section of Tennessee, Gene Cranick’s home caught on fire. As the Cranicks fled their home, their neighbors alerted the county’s firefighters, who soon arrived at the scene. Yet when the firefighters arrived, they refused to put out the fire, saying that the family failed to pay the annual subscription fee to the fire department. Because the county’s fire services for rural residences is based on household subscription fees, the firefighters, fully equipped to help the Cranicks, stood by and watched as the home burned to the ground:

Imagine your home catches fire but the local fire department won’t respond, then watches it burn. That’s exactly what happened to a local family tonight. A local neighborhood is furious after firefighters watched as an Obion County, Tennessee, home burned to the ground.

The homeowner, Gene Cranick, said he offered to pay whatever it would take for firefighters to put out the flames, but was told it was too late. They wouldn’t do anything to stop his house from burning. Each year, Obion County residents must pay $75 if they want fire protection from the city of South Fulton. But the Cranicks did not pay. The mayor said if homeowners don’t pay, they’re out of luck. [...]

We asked the mayor of South Fulton if the chief could have made an exception. “Anybody that’s not in the city of South Fulton, it’s a service we offer, either they accept it or they don’t,” Mayor David Crocker said.

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The fire reportedly continued for hours “because garden hoses just wouldn’t put it out. It wasn’t until that fire spread to a neighbor’s property, that anyone would respond” — only because the neighbor had paid the fee.

A local newspaper further pressed Mayor Crocker about the city’s policy, which has been in place since 1990. Crocker, a Republican who was elected in 2008 and serves with a county commission where every seat is also filled by a Republican, likened the policy to buying auto insurance. The paper said he told them that, after all, “if an auto owner allowed their vehicle insurance to lapse, they would not expect an insurance company to pay for an unprotected vehicle after it was wrecked.”

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around here we have a volunteer fire department.

i guess he got a real deal on saving that $75 bucks then. same thing applies with earthquake insurance - pay and have some protection (90%), or don't pay and don't have squat.

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This is what happens when you have states rights and all of that other stupid azz #######, that plagues that shithole section of the country.

What sort of fools endorse this ####### in their country?

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According to the Internal Revenue Service, the 400 richest American households earned a total of $US138 billion, up from $US105 billion a year earlier. That's an average of $US345 million each, on which they paid a tax rate of just 16.6 per cent.

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This is what happens when you have states rights and all of that other stupid azz #######, that plagues that shithole section of the country.

What sort of fools endorse this ####### in their country?

seems to me more like someone wanted something for free.

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The guy should have paid the fee. It's really that simple.

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What sort of backwards fools have fees for such things and don't have it part of a regular budget?

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According to the Internal Revenue Service, the 400 richest American households earned a total of $US138 billion, up from $US105 billion a year earlier. That's an average of $US345 million each, on which they paid a tax rate of just 16.6 per cent.

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What sort of backwards fools have fees for such things and don't have it part of a regular budget?

How big is the town/county. When you only have a few hundred people in a town, sometimes you go with what you've got that works.

You have to be pretty damn stupid not to pay a cheap $75 fee for fire protection really....

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The people who advocate this sort of rubbish, are the types who still believe America is the envy of the world.

According to the Internal Revenue Service, the 400 richest American households earned a total of $US138 billion, up from $US105 billion a year earlier. That's an average of $US345 million each, on which they paid a tax rate of just 16.6 per cent.

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How big is the town/county. When you only have a few hundred people in a town, sometimes you go with what you've got that works.

You have to be pretty damn stupid not to pay a cheap $75 fee for fire protection really....

Get rid of the model of government designed in 16th century and use the 21st century model of having the state run essential services and the problem is solved.

For someone who advocates for business all the way, surely you understand the concept of economies of scale. Then again, I do find it funny that those who love business and hate government, refuse to apply practices of business in the public sector. Like consolidating and pushing crucial yet duplicated services to a state level - from town to county. After all, any business would have done so yesterday.

Surely you do not see Walmart running separate duplicated business doing the exact same thing in every city or county they have stores in. I wonder why that is..

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According to the Internal Revenue Service, the 400 richest American households earned a total of $US138 billion, up from $US105 billion a year earlier. That's an average of $US345 million each, on which they paid a tax rate of just 16.6 per cent.

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Get rid of the model of government designed in 16th century and use the 21st century model of having the state run essential services and the problem is solved.

For someone who advocates for business all the way, surely you understand the concept of economies of scale. Then again, I do find it funny that those who love business and hate government, refuse to apply practices of business in the public sector. Like consolidating and pushing crucial yet duplicated services to a state level - from town to county. After all, any business would have done so yesterday.

Surely you do not see Walmart running separate duplicated business doing the exact same thing in every city or county they have stores in. I wonder why that is..

the government would be a lot better of if it were run like a business. You and I both know though, that it's not and far from it...

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I am guessing ideology will kick in at this point and the Constitution will come into play, rather than the sound business practices we like to preach about. Personally, I am all for implementing what works in the private sector into the public sector, like expecting performance, providing fringe benefits and paying accordingly. In fact, we have done so successfully in a range of departments in AUS; where Fire, Police and schools are all run on an efficient state level.

Speaking of the private sector Paul, do you have any problems with running government as efficiently as the private sector? Which means modernizing the Constitution to do so, as unfortunately it is not currently structured to allow for various successful business practices to be implemented.

A company, for example, that just stuck to some equivalent constitution would be bankrupt and not have survived the decades. Surely this modernization should be applied elsewhere, considering companies change their focus and strategies all of the time.

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According to the Internal Revenue Service, the 400 richest American households earned a total of $US138 billion, up from $US105 billion a year earlier. That's an average of $US345 million each, on which they paid a tax rate of just 16.6 per cent.

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What sort of backwards fools have fees for such things and don't have it part of a regular budget?

do you really think cities will offer free fire services to homes outside the city limits, homes that are not in their tax base?

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I am guessing ideology will kick in at this point and the Constitution will come into play, rather than the sound business practices we like to preach about. Personally, I am all for implementing what works in the private sector into the public sector, like expecting performance, providing fringe benefits and paying accordingly. In fact, we have done so successfully in a range of departments in AUS; where Fire, Police and schools are all run on an efficient state level.

Speaking of the private sector Paul, do you have any problems with running government as efficiently as the private sector? Which means modernizing the Constitution to do so. For example, a company that just stuck to some equivalent constitution would be bankrupt and not have survived the decades. Surely this modernization should be applied elsewhere, considering companies change their focus and strategies all of the time.

You look at the constitution in the wrong light. The constitution says what the government can do and especially what it cannot do.

Nothing in the constitution prevents them from running it like a business and efficiently. It's other Federal laws that impede that, not the constitution.

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do you really think cities will offer free fire services to homes outside the city limits, homes that are not in their tax base?

The whole structure is wrong. We have cities within counties, which is just ridiculous - it's stupid actually.

Fire, police and education should all be operated on a state level. Less Bureaucracy and more resources available to the services. Does Walmart or a local town convenience store have a greater buying power and able to be more efficient and offer more value per dollar spent? Therefore, if we like how business operates so much, why don't we implement these exact same business strategies on a government level?

Get rid of cities, towns and counties running fire, police and schools; then run it on the more efficient state level - like everyone else does. After all, that is exactly how a business would do it.

You look at the constitution in the wrong light. The constitution says what the government can do and especially what it cannot do.

Nothing in the constitution prevents them from running it like a business and efficiently. It's other Federal laws that impede that, not the constitution.

Nothing in the US Constitution dictates what states and counties have the authority to operate? In addition, what the federal government cannot run.

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According to the Internal Revenue Service, the 400 richest American households earned a total of $US138 billion, up from $US105 billion a year earlier. That's an average of $US345 million each, on which they paid a tax rate of just 16.6 per cent.

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