getting married overseas while waiting for K-1 fiance visa

[markordj 0]

i'm singaporean and my fiancee is a US citizen. we both live in singapore at the moment. we have applied for petition for an alien fiance (i-129f) and sent it to the vermont service center on early march. we plan to get married in singapore before we get our K-1 visa and then again later once we have arrive in the US. my question is should we hide the fact that we got married in singapore before we enter the US, as we've applied for K-1 fiance visa?....or is it not a problem to disclose that we have been married before we enter the US and will marry again in the US if need be?

we had always plan to get married first before we move to the US. the reason we chose the K-1 instead of K-3 was because the process is shorter and also if we do the K-3, our marriage is still 3 months away from now and we want to get the visa asap.

thanks

[luv2uallday 1]

i'm singaporean and my fiancee is a US citizen. we both live in singapore at the moment. we have applied for petition for an alien fiance (i-129f) and sent it to the vermont service center on early march. we plan to get married in singapore before we get our K-1 visa and then again later once we have arrive in the US. my question is should we hide the fact that we got married in singapore before we enter the US, as we've applied for K-1 fiance visa?....or is it not a problem to disclose that we have been married before we enter the US and will marry again in the US if need be?

we had always plan to get married first before we move to the US. the reason we chose the K-1 instead of K-3 was because the process is shorter and also if we do the K-3, our marriage is still 3 months away from now and we want to get the visa asap.

thanks

Ok, getting married and claiming your single to get a k1 fiance visa is called "married single" that is VISA FRAUD the penalty for fraud is a lifetime ban on any visa for you. Even if you get the visa and then declare it at the POE you will be sent back and lifetime ban will be placed on you. Even if you make it past the POE and it is caught upon review years later when you apply for citizenship and they do a review of your all your paperwork and they catch your fraud then you could be subject for deportation or you can get your citezenship but will be barred for life to apply for your immediate family to come here. My best advice is NOT to do that be honest not DIShonest.

If you get married in singapore you will have to cancel your petition and re-file under another visa category K3, IR1 etc..

The problem you might have is in order for you to qualify for a visa your fiance has to prove he will be permanently residing in the US. So be sure to gather all evidence of his US domicile.

In any case your gonna have to be patient. At times the quickest route is often the shortest road to disaster so just do it right and wait in time it will happen good luck

[markordj 0]

i'm singaporean and my fiancee is a US citizen. we both live in singapore at the moment. we have applied for petition for an alien fiance (i-129f) and sent it to the vermont service center on early march. we plan to get married in singapore before we get our K-1 visa and then again later once we have arrive in the US. my question is should we hide the fact that we got married in singapore before we enter the US, as we've applied for K-1 fiance visa?....or is it not a problem to disclose that we have been married before we enter the US and will marry again in the US if need be?

we had always plan to get married first before we move to the US. the reason we chose the K-1 instead of K-3 was because the process is shorter and also if we do the K-3, our marriage is still 3 months away from now and we want to get the visa asap.

thanks

Ok, getting married and claiming your single to get a k1 fiance visa is called "married single" that is VISA FRAUD the penalty for fraud is a lifetime ban on any visa for you. Even if you get the visa and then declare it at the POE you will be sent back and lifetime ban will be placed on you. Even if you make it past the POE and it is caught upon review years later when you apply for citizenship and they do a review of your all your paperwork and they catch your fraud then you could be subject for deportation or you can get your citezenship but will be barred for life to apply for your immediate family to come here. My best advice is NOT to do that be honest not DIShonest.

If you get married in singapore you will have to cancel your petition and re-file under another visa category K3, IR1 etc..

The problem you might have is in order for you to qualify for a visa your fiance has to prove he will be permanently residing in the US. So be sure to gather all evidence of his US domicile.

In any case your gonna have to be patient. At times the quickest route is often the shortest road to disaster so just do it right and wait in time it will happen good luck

to re-file to k-3, do i need to start over and pay the application fee again or is there a way to switch?

you brought out a new challenge. my US citizen fiancee left the US 15 years ago with her parents when she was 9 y/o. she has been staying in indonesia and singapore and has never gone back to the US since then. now we plan to settle down in the US. She was born in Dallas but has no property and never pay any taxes in the US. Any idea what kind of evidence she can give to support the fact that she wants to stay in the US permanently?

[canadian_wife 1,823]

You cannot get married and continue with the K-1 process. As Luv2 said, it is visa fraud and can have devestating concequences.

You will need to start again and refile the I-130. There is no way to switch.

I assume since your fiance has not been to the US in 15 years then she has a legal residence in Singapore? If she does, check the guides for Direct Consular Filing. It is quicker for petition processing. She will need to show that she intends to return to the U.S. this can be done by getting a job in the U.S. or getting a residence.

Good luck.

[payxibka 10,045]

trying to develop a scheme to circumvent US immigration law is not allowed. It could have devastating results if discovered. Be careful, you have at least two posts with two different schemes. Both could have the same ending result.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

i'm singaporean and my fiancee is a US citizen. we both live in singapore at the moment. we have applied for petition for an alien fiance (i-129f) and sent it to the vermont service center on early march. we plan to get married in singapore before we get our K-1 visa and then again later once we have arrive in the US. my question is should we hide the fact that we got married in singapore before we enter the US, as we've applied for K-1 fiance visa?....or is it not a problem to disclose that we have been married before we enter the US and will marry again in the US if need be?

we had always plan to get married first before we move to the US. the reason we chose the K-1 instead of K-3 was because the process is shorter and also if we do the K-3, our marriage is still 3 months away from now and we want to get the visa asap.

thanks

If you get married in Singapore, neither of you will have a fiancee and therefore cannot apply for the finacee visa. You will forfeit the fee for the K-1 and have to start over with the K-3

[markordj 0]

You cannot get married and continue with the K-1 process. As Luv2 said, it is visa fraud and can have devestating concequences.

You will need to start again and refile the I-130. There is no way to switch.

I assume since your fiance has not been to the US in 15 years then she has a legal residence in Singapore? If she does, check the guides for Direct Consular Filing. It is quicker for petition processing. She will need to show that she intends to return to the U.S. this can be done by getting a job in the U.S. or getting a residence.

Good luck.

yes she's a permanent resident of singapore. by direct consular filing, do you mean that i can send the i-130 and i-129 to the singapore consular instead of to USCIS in the US? how would she establish residency in the US while she's still in singapore?

[Dakine 26]

You cannot get married and continue with the K-1 process. As Luv2 said, it is visa fraud and can have devestating concequences.

You will need to start again and refile the I-130. There is no way to switch.

I assume since your fiance has not been to the US in 15 years then she has a legal residence in Singapore? If she does, check the guides for Direct Consular Filing. It is quicker for petition processing. She will need to show that she intends to return to the U.S. this can be done by getting a job in the U.S. or getting a residence.

Good luck.

yes she's a permanent resident of singapore. by direct consular filing, do you mean that i can send the i-130 and i-129 to the singapore consular instead of to USCIS in the US? how would she establish residency in the US while she's still in singapore?

She can only file a I-130 for a CR-1 when doing DCF.

No matter what type of visa she does she will have to establish domicile in the US. She will have to prove she intends to live in the US permanetly.

Bank account, residence, utility bills etc.

[Anh map 2,098]

I suggest that you read through the guides here to determine the best route and the potential challenges for the both of you. Pay attention to which scenarios require the petitioner to have a US domicile.

Will the USC be transferring back to the US with her employer? If not, there could be a financial sponsorship hurdle. Read up on the I-864 form that will be needed at some point in your process regardless of K visa, CR1/IR1, DCF choice.

[markordj 0]

I suggest that you read through the guides here to determine the best route and the potential challenges for the both of you. Pay attention to which scenarios require the petitioner to have a US domicile.

Will the USC be transferring back to the US with her employer? If not, there could be a financial sponsorship hurdle. Read up on the I-864 form that will be needed at some point in your process regardless of K visa, CR1/IR1, DCF choice.

my fiancee, the USC, will not be transferring back to the US with her employer. she will look for new employment after moving back to the US. She also has never file tax return while she's overseas (the past 15 years), although i believe she doesn't owe income tax because she doesn't make enough in US$.

what are people's experience regarding showing proof of establishing domicile while being overseas? and also what kind of financial sponsorship challenges will she face if she will not be continuing with her current employment when she moves back to the US?

[Penguin_ie 5,994]

For domicile, every embassy is different but for most it is enough if she shows proof that she has been looking for a home and work in the USA, and ideally still has some ties to the US such as a valid drivers license, US bank account or similar.

Regarding financial sponsorship, there are three options:

- Get a co-sponsor; that is what USC living abroad usually do.

- Have enough assets, ideally US based- for example if your fiancee owns property in the US or has shares etc.

- Get the USC to move back to the US asap, and find a job (I wouldn;t recommend this one, as with the current economic situation, there is no guarantee she'll get a job in time).

[pushbrk 12,966]

i'm singaporean and my fiancee is a US citizen. we both live in singapore at the moment. we have applied for petition for an alien fiance (i-129f) and sent it to the vermont service center on early march. we plan to get married in singapore before we get our K-1 visa and then again later once we have arrive in the US. my question is should we hide the fact that we got married in singapore before we enter the US, as we've applied for K-1 fiance visa?....or is it not a problem to disclose that we have been married before we enter the US and will marry again in the US if need be?

we had always plan to get married first before we move to the US. the reason we chose the K-1 instead of K-3 was because the process is shorter and also if we do the K-3, our marriage is still 3 months away from now and we want to get the visa asap.

thanks

If you get married in Singapore, neither of you will have a fiancee and therefore cannot apply for the finacee visa. You will forfeit the fee for the K-1 and have to start over with the K-3

Please stop even mentioning the K3 visa. It's obsolete. A married US Citizen living as a permanent resident of another country would follow the CR1 or IR1 visa path using a Direct Consular filing.

A US Citizen establishes US domicile by using a parent or other family member or friend's address as their intended temporary or opening bank account in the US or both. Since she would be leaving her job, she needs to find a new one first of have a joint sponsor.

Married is married. Once married anything later could look, sound or smell like a marriage but would not BE a marriage.

[markordj 0]

i'm singaporean and my fiancee is a US citizen. we both live in singapore at the moment. we have applied for petition for an alien fiance (i-129f) and sent it to the vermont service center on early march. we plan to get married in singapore before we get our K-1 visa and then again later once we have arrive in the US. my question is should we hide the fact that we got married in singapore before we enter the US, as we've applied for K-1 fiance visa?....or is it not a problem to disclose that we have been married before we enter the US and will marry again in the US if need be?

we had always plan to get married first before we move to the US. the reason we chose the K-1 instead of K-3 was because the process is shorter and also if we do the K-3, our marriage is still 3 months away from now and we want to get the visa asap.

thanks

If you get married in Singapore, neither of you will have a fiancee and therefore cannot apply for the finacee visa. You will forfeit the fee for the K-1 and have to start over with the K-3

Please stop even mentioning the K3 visa. It's obsolete. A married US Citizen living as a permanent resident of another country would follow the CR1 or IR1 visa path using a Direct Consular filing.

A US Citizen establishes US domicile by using a parent or other family member or friend's address as their intended temporary or opening bank account in the US or both. Since she would be leaving her job, she needs to find a new one first of have a joint sponsor.

Married is married. Once married anything later could look, sound or smell like a marriage but would not BE a marriage.

we are married now and will file the i-130 at the embassy as DCF.

we will use her friend's address in the US to establish domicile. we'll also open a US bank account.

we are looking for a joint sponsor for i-864

[tony1343 0]

On a side note: your fiancee might want to look into U.S. taxes. American citizens (unlike every other country on the planet) have to pay U.S. taxes no matter where they live in the world. Now, you are quite possibly right that she doesn't owe anything if she hasn't been making a lot of money (I believe the first $x dollars are exempted plus you only have to pay the difference between the tax rates of the two countries if there foreign country's rate is less), but usually you still have to file. So have her check into this. Obviously I'm not a tax attorney or even very knowledgeable in the tax laws. I just had a family member that lived overseas for a while.

[Mike B. 231]

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