Liberals voice concerns about Obama

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amazing - 90% of the posts in this thread are all about attacking kaydee rather than discussing the topic.

Amazing? How so? Kaydee posts this kind of trash because he enjoys stirring the pot. It's his idea of a good time.

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amazing - 90% of the posts in this thread are all about attacking kaydee rather than discussing the topic.

Amazing? How so? Kaydee posts this kind of trash because he enjoys stirring the pot. It's his idea of a good time.

in case you didn't get the memo, i'm the op of this thread.

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So the pot stirrer is you!

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So the pot stirrer is you!

of course. and i got quite a chuckle out of it. now the libs are even bashing obama!

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So the pot stirrer is you!

of course. and i got quite a chuckle out of it. now the libs are even bashing obama!

Is that what 'the liberals' are doing?

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amazing - 90% of the posts in this thread are all about attacking kaydee rather than discussing the topic.

Amazing? How so? Kaydee posts this kind of trash because he enjoys stirring the pot. It's his idea of a good time.

Or maybe its our idea of laughing our collective rear ends off one of the resident wingnuts. Who really cares if a fictional amount of liberals are not 100% happy with Obama's Cabinet picks?

News flash to all: welcome to working towards common goals. I really do laugh though, at how some try to make a big deal about nothing. Kind of reminds me of the campaign season with non-issues. Hence why its no real surprise.

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Well no $hit! Hello to all the stupid liberals that voted for him, you got what you deserved! No stop your whining and crying, you brought it all on yourself! AHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHA some change agent. AHAHHAHA Clinton 3.0 has been rebooted and is operation now controlling and telling OVomit what to do. AHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

Liberals are growing increasingly nervous – and some just flat-out angry – that President-elect Barack Obama seems to be stiffing them on Cabinet jobs and policy choices.

Obama has reversed pledges to immediately repeal tax cuts for the wealthy and take on Big Oil. He’s hedged his call for a quick drawdown in Iraq. And he’s stocking his White House with anything but stalwarts of the left.

Now some are shedding a reluctance to puncture the liberal euphoria at being rid of President George W. Bush to say, in effect, that the new boss looks like the old boss.

“He has confirmed what our suspicions were by surrounding himself with a centrist to right cabinet. But we do hope that before it's all over we can get at least one authentic progressive appointment,” said Tim Carpenter, national director of the Progressive Democrats of America.

OpenLeft blogger Chris Bowers went so far as to issue this plaintive plea: “Isn't there ever a point when we can get an actual Democratic administration?”

Even supporters make clear they’re on the lookout for backsliding. “There’s a concern that he keep his basic promises and people are going to watch him,” said Roger Hickey, a co-founder of Campaign for America’s Future.

Obama insists he hasn’t abandoned the goals that made him feel to some like a liberal savior. But the left’s bill of particulars against Obama is long, and growing.

Obama drew rousing applause at campaign events when he vowed to tax the windfall profits of oil companies. As president-elect, Obama says he won’t enact the tax.

Obama’s pledge to repeal the Bush tax cuts and redistribute that money to the middle class made him a hero among Democrats who said the cuts favored the wealthy. But now he’s struck a more cautious stance on rolling back tax cuts for people making over $250,000 a year, signaling he’ll merely let them expire as scheduled at the end of 2010.

Obama’s post-election rhetoric on Iraq and choices for national security team have some liberal Democrats even more perplexed. As a candidate, Obama defined and separated himself from his challengers by highlighting his opposition to the war in Iraq from the start. He promised to begin to end the war on his first day in office.

Now Obama’s says that on his first day in office he will begin to “design a plan for a responsible drawdown,” as he told NBC’s “Meet the Press” Sunday. Obama has also filled his national security positions with supporters of the Iraq war: Sen. Hillary Clinton, who voted to authorize force in Iraq, as his secretary of state; and President George W. Bush’s defense secretary, Robert Gates, continuing in the same role.

The central premise of the left’s criticism is direct – don’t bite the hand that feeds, Mr. President-elect. The Internet that helped him so much during the election is lighting up with irritation and critiques.

“There don't seem to be any liberals in Obama's cabinet,” writes John Aravosis, the editor of Americablog.com. “What does all of this mean for Obama's policies, and just as important, Obama Supreme Court announcements?”

“Actually, it reminds me a bit of the campaign, at least the beginning and the middle, when the Obama campaign didn't seem particularly interested in reaching out to progressives,” Aravosis continues. “Once they realized that in order to win they needed to marshal everyone on their side, the reaching out began. I hope we're not seeing a similar ‘we can do it alone’ approach in the transition team.”

This isn’t the first liberal letdown over Obama, who promptly angered the left after winning the Democratic primary by announcing he backed a compromise that would allow warrantless wiretapping on U.S. soil to continue.

Now it’s Obama’s Cabinet moves that are drawing the most fire. It’s not just that he’s picked Clinton and Gates. It’s that liberal Democrats say they’re hard-pressed to find one of their own on Obama’s team so far – particularly on the economic side, where people like Tim Geithner and Lawrence Summers are hardly viewed as pro-labor.

“At his announcement of an economic team there was no secretary of labor. If you don’t think the labor secretary is on the same level as treasury secretary, that gives me pause,” said Jonathan Tasini, who runs the website workinglife.org. “The president-elect wouldn't be president-elect without labor."

During the campaign Obama gained labor support by saying he favored legislation that would make it easier for unions to form inside companies. The “card check” bill would get rid of a secret-ballot method of voting to form a union and replace it with a system that would require companies to recognize unions simply if a majority of workers signed cards saying they want one. Obama still supports that legislation, aides say – but union leaders are worried that he no longer talks it up much as president-elect.

“It's complicated,” said Tasini, who challenged Clinton for Senate in 2006. “On the one hand, the guy hasn't even taken office yet so it's a little hasty to be criticizing him. On the other hand, there is legitimate cause for concern. I think people are still waiting but there is some edginess about this.”

That’s a view that seems to have kept some progressive leaders holding their fire. There are signs of a struggle within the left wing of the Democratic Party about whether it’s just too soon to criticize Obama -- and if there’s really anything to complain about just yet.

Case in point: One of the Campaign for America’s Future blogs commented on Obama’s decision not to tax oil companies’ windfall profits saying, “Between this move and the move to wait to repeal the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, it seems like the Obama team is buying into the right-wing frame that raising any taxes - even those on the richest citizens and wealthiest corporations - is bad for the economy.”

Yet Campaign for America’s Future will be join about 150 progressive organizations, economists and labor groups to release a statement Tuesday in support of a large economic stimulus package like the one Obama has proposed, said Hickey, a co-founder of the group.

“I’ve heard the most grousing about the windfall profits tax, but on the other hand, Obama has committed himself to a stimulus package that makes a down payment on energy efficiency and green jobs,” Hickey said. “The old argument was, here’s how we afford to make these investments – we tax the oil companies’ windfall profits. … The new argument is, in a bad economy that could get worse, we don’t.”

Obama is asking for patience – saying he’s only shifting his stance on some issues because circumstances are shifting.

Aides say he backed off the windfall profits tax because oil prices have dropped below $80 a barrel. Obama also defended hedging on the Bush tax cuts.

“My economic team right now is examining, do we repeal that through legislation? Do we let it lapse so that, when the Bush tax cuts expire, they're not renewed when it comes to wealthiest Americans?” Obama said on “Meet the Press.” “We don't yet know what the best approach is going to be.”

On Iraq, he says he’s just trying to make sure any U.S. pullout doesn’t ignite “any resurgence of terrorism in Iraq that could threaten our interests.”

Obama has told his supporters to look beyond his appointments, that the change he promised will come from him and that when his administration comes together they will be happy.

“I think that when you ultimately look at what this advisory board looks like, you'll say this is a cross-section of opinion that in some ways reinforces conventional wisdom, in some ways breaks with orthodoxy in all sorts of way,” Obama recently said in response to questions about his appointments during a news conference on the economy.

The leaders of some liberal groups are willing to wait and see.

“He hasn’t had a first day in office,” said John Isaacs, the executive director for Council for Livable World. “To me it’s not as important as who’s there, than what kind of policies they carry out.”

“These aren’t out-and-out liberals on the national security team, but they may be successful implementers of what the Obama national security policy is,” Isaacs added. “We want to see what policies are carried forward, as opposed to appointments.”

Juan Cole, who runs a prominent anti-war blog called Informed Comment, said he worries Obama will get bad advice from Clinton on the Middle East, calling her too pro-Israel and “belligerent” toward Iran. “But overall, my estimation is that he has chosen competence over ideology, and I'm willing to cut him some slack,” Cole said.

Other voices of the left don’t like what they’re seeing so far and aren’t waiting for more before they speak up.

New York Times columnist Frank Rich warned that Obama’s economic team of Summers and Geithner reminded him of John F. Kennedy’s “best and the brightest” team, who blundered in Vietnam despite their blue-chip pedigrees.

David Corn, Washington bureau chief of the liberal magazine Mother Jones, wrote in Sunday’s Washington Post that he is “not yet reaching for a pitchfork.”

But the headline of his op-ed sums up his point about Obama’s Cabinet appointments so far: “This Wasn’t Quite the Change We Envisioned.”

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Wingnut session now in order.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

amazing - 90% of the posts in this thread are all about attacking kaydee rather than discussing the topic.

Amazing? How so? Kaydee posts this kind of trash because he enjoys stirring the pot. It's his idea of a good time.

Or maybe its our idea of laughing our collective rear ends off one of the resident wingnuts. Who really cares if a fictional amount of liberals are not 100% happy with Obama's Cabinet picks?

News flash to all: welcome to working towards common goals. I really do laugh though, at how some try to make a big deal about nothing. Kind of reminds me of the campaign season with non-issues. Hence why its no real surprise.

In any case - its not as though this would have made a difference to the election result. Whatever preconceptions people may have had (and I don't believe there were as many "blind" followers as was claimed) I can't imagine people would start pining for Old Man McCain and his sidekick Palin.

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HAL 9.0 huh? You sure you are not Clinton 3.9 or 9.0 instead?

Wingnut session now in order.

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Well no $hit! Hello to all the stupid liberals that voted for him, you got what you deserved! No stop your whining and crying, you brought it all on yourself! AHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHA some change agent. AHAHHAHA Clinton 3.0 has been rebooted and is operation now controlling and telling OVomit what to do. AHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

Wow. Did you forget your medication today - or was there a breakout at the asylum?

Edited December 10, 2008 by Paul Daniels

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Well no $hit! Hello to all the stupid liberals that voted for him, you got what you deserved! No stop your whining and crying, you brought it all on yourself! AHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHA some change agent. AHAHHAHA Clinton 3.0 has been rebooted and is operation now controlling and telling OVomit what to do. AHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

Oh my.

The meds must have worn off.

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amazing - 90% of the posts in this thread are all about attacking kaydee rather than discussing the topic.

Amazing? How so? Kaydee posts this kind of trash because he enjoys stirring the pot. It's his idea of a good time.

Or maybe its our idea of laughing our collective rear ends off one of the resident wingnuts. Who really cares if a fictional amount of liberals are not 100% happy with Obama's Cabinet picks?

News flash to all: welcome to working towards common goals. I really do laugh though, at how some try to make a big deal about nothing. Kind of reminds me of the campaign season with non-issues. Hence why its no real surprise.

In any case - its not as though this would have made a difference to the election result. Whatever preconceptions people may have had (and I don't believe there were as many "blind" followers as was claimed) I can't imagine people would start pining for Old Man McCain and his sidekick Palin.

Or along those lines... do you really think that many left-wing commies voted for Obama, and if so... isn't it odd that there were that many commies in America dedicated to one-line thinking?

I think not, quite different from regurgitated nonsense from the wingnut squad.

HAL 9.0 huh? You sure you are not Clinton 3.9 or 9.0 instead?

Wingnut session now in order.

You do not get to enter through the Pod Bay Doors.

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I like that word: wingnut.

It makes me smile.

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Or along those lines... do you really think that many left-wing commies voted for Obama, and if so... isn't it odd that there were that many commies in America dedicated to one-line thinking?

I think the "Far Left" is about as numerous and relevant as the KKK is to the right.

In short - grossly exaggerated.