USCIS launching office to strip citizenship off cheaters

[htxfiler 6]

There was a case recently of a man who was stripped of his citizenship for lying about his identity to become naturalized. Apparently he used aliases after being previously deported. I've read in different articles that since 1990, about 300 cases have been filed for denaturalization.  A concern being raised is of people making common name mistakes (differences) on their applications but according to the director of USCIS, these are not the people who will be targeted. Just wondered if anyone else has read about this, hopefully, there really are no mix-ups with people who have more than one surname and/or for some reason, name mistakes were not caught during the naturalization process. 

http://www.dailyjournal.net/2018/06/11/us-citizenship-investigations/

 

[KazuriSana 324]

16 minutes ago, htxfiler said:

Just wondered if anyone else has read about this, hopefully, there really are no mix-ups with people who have more than one surname and/or for some reason, name mistakes were not caught during the naturalization process. 

http://www.dailyjournal.net/2018/06/11/us-citizenship-investigations/

 

What kind of name mistakes would these be, which would go all the way from AOS or prior, through 751 to N400 without being 'caught'?

 

This is not something that most immigrants have to worry about.

 

However, with this administration, keeping people in cage-like enclosures like animals in a zoo, and joking about children's cries being an 'orchestra,' you can never know.

[Ironclad43 131]

The biometrics of some 300,000 deported illegal aliens were just uploaded into the DHS database from paper. If people committed fraud to gain citizenship, they ought to lose it.

 

When you receive your naturalization certificate, you're asked if your names are written out correctly. You need to make sure that is true before accepting it. If you continue to use a misspelled or inaccurate name, that's on you.

[htxfiler 6]

On ‎6‎/‎18‎/‎2018 at 6:38 PM, BlessedAssurance said:

What kind of name mistakes would these be, which would go all the way from AOS or prior, through 751 to N400 without being 'caught'?

 

This is not something that most immigrants have to worry about.

 

However, with this administration, keeping people in cage-like enclosures like animals in a zoo, and joking about children's cries being an 'orchestra,' you can never know.

That's what I am wondering, how can these mistakes be overlooked in the first place. But you're completely right, I feel like there is more to come with this administration.  

[htxfiler 6]

2 hours ago, Ironclad43 said:

The biometrics of some 300,000 deported illegal aliens were just uploaded into the DHS database from paper. If people committed fraud to gain citizenship, they ought to lose it.

 

When you receive your naturalization certificate, you're asked if your names are written out correctly. You need to make sure that is true before accepting it. If you continue to use a misspelled or inaccurate name, that's on you.

Yes, I read about the fingerprinting too. And I do agree, I just hope those are the people that are truly prosecuted and stripped of their citizenship. I was just paraphrasing what some attorney's concerns were since they stated in the article they have had clients who have had issues or concerns regarding names etc. 

[little immigrant 800]

I'm curious. What happens if your citizenship gets stripped and you have previously lost your previous citizenship due to becoming a US citizen? You'd be without any citizenship at this point. Where would they deport this person to? Will you even automatically regain your previous citizenship or would you have to apply for that again? Can a person be without citizenship? 

[TBoneTX 43,017]

5 hours ago, little immigrant said:

Can a person be without citizenship? 

Sure -- people can be stateless.

5 hours ago, little immigrant said:

Where would they deport this person to?

Probably to any country that would accept him.

5 hours ago, little immigrant said:

What happens if your citizenship gets stripped and you have previously lost your previous citizenship due to becoming a US citizen?

I'd say that you probably got what you deserved, because the chickens came home to roost.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

41 minutes ago, TBoneTX said:

Sure -- people can be stateless.

Probably to any country that would accept him.

I'd say that you probably got what you deserved, because the chickens came home to roost.

 

  A stateless person also has a valid citizenship claim to their country of birth if the country is party to the 1961 Geneva convention. 

 

  Current law generally allows stateless persons to be held in detention for 6 months, after which time the government must prove there is a reasonable chance of successfully deporting the person. If not, they are released with supervision.

[TBoneTX 43,017]

Great to have the precise facts on it.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

13 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

Great to have the precise facts on it.

 

   Here's an interesting case, a man who could not be deported to Sierra Leone and was allowed to stay in the USA. Several years later he was deported after Sierra Leone agreed to take him back. It's not a free pass. Even if someone can't be deported at a given time, they are still required to check in with USCIS, and when the situation changes, they may be deported years later.

 

 

[htxfiler 6]

16 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  A stateless person also has a valid citizenship claim to their country of birth if the country is party to the 1961 Geneva convention. 

 

  Current law generally allows stateless persons to be held in detention for 6 months, after which time the government must prove there is a reasonable chance of successfully deporting the person. If not, they are released with supervision.

Interesting. I was also thinking that maybe your country of birth would have to respond to your situation if you were stripped of US citizenship. I would think they would have to make a decision on whether to take you or not. 

[Steeleballz 7,550]

19 hours ago, htxfiler said:

Interesting. I was also thinking that maybe your country of birth would have to respond to your situation if you were stripped of US citizenship. I would think they would have to make a decision on whether to take you or not. 

 

   It's ultimately up to the receiving country to take the person. It can be difficult in asylum cases. In cases where the person was fleeing a war zone, they may have no documents or the country may even no longer exist. In these cases there may not be any records to establish the person was born in that country.

 

  If it's naturalization and fraud, it's usually easier. Even if the country is not party to the Geneva convention on statelessness, it is usually straight forward to accomplish through diplomatic channels. The argument outlined in the articles on statelessness is that if citizenship is obtained via fraudulent means, there was never a basis to renounce or lose the former citizenship to begin with. Even though only ~75 countries signed on to the agreement, many other countries abide in principle.

 

In the example I posted above, I think the US threatened sanctions against countries who were not taking back former citizens. As they say, sometimes it's a carrot, sometimes a stick.