The Daily Trump wins again thread

[Keith & Arileidi 437]

37 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

Whatever. If you look at the statistics and the actual hard data then you would see that EVERY place there has been a wall put up then crossings and apprehensions have gone down. What does that mean????? It means that less people are coming over in that area.

 

 

Why is it not a good deal?

You got those statistic on hand?

[Keith & Arileidi 437]

24 minutes ago, Neonred said:

I read these kind of responses and just shake my head. 

 

Then I realise some people can't think beyond step 1 and do not see the big picture.  They just do not understand....

Umm ok.. you know it's okay to speak to me directly. 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

10 minutes ago, Keith & Arileidi said:

The lottery and chain migration are both legal. 

Yes they are.  And should be abolished.  As I said, counter productive.  Especially the lottery.

[Keith & Arileidi 437]

39 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

Seemed pretty successful... where was It?  China?  

 

Oh, and Germany, too.  Seems England did it as well?

Well it did work for the China against the Mongols, but that was like a millennia ago. 

 

I am also sensing a bit of sarcasm.. not sure though. 

[Keith & Arileidi 437]

16 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

Seriously??? We are anti-Illegal immigration not anti-legal immigration. We are that way because we have seen how the system gets abused continuously and are sick of it.

Again.. both the lottery and chain migration are legal. 

That would make you anti-immagration(well at least in a basic sense).

[Cyberfx1024 7,978]

4 minutes ago, Keith & Arileidi said:

You got those statistic on hand?

Before the Yuma fence was built, Colburn says the Yuma Border Patrol identified 2,706 times in a one year period when smugglers loaded up a vehicle with drugs and/or people and simply drove across the border. Just 13 of them were detected and stopped by immigration authorities. “The rest all got away, with no idea what or who they brought in,” his testimony notes.

After the fence was built, however, only six vehicles tried to cross the border, and every one of them was captured or turned back.

 

“by 2008, Yuma Sector arrests of illicit border crossers and traffickers had dwindled down from over 138,000 down to 8,363,” Colburn states in his testimony. “The known attempts to enter and the got-aways dwindled to an equally minimal number compared to the hundreds of thousands that entered and evaded arrest in previous years.”

 

'It works': Yuma's fence, manpower make border nearly impenetrable

 

Dannels argued that the biggest cause of his county's problems, ironically, is the federal government's plan in the 1990's to greatly strengthen security measures for the U.S. ports of entry and the southwest border cities, including San Diego, Yuma and El Paso.

In those highly-populated areas, authorities erected tall, layered steel fences; placed surveillance cameras and assigned increased numbers of U.S. Border Patrol and Customs agents.

Dannels conceded the border cities have greatly benefited from the plan and enjoy much lower crime rates than in the past.

But, an unfortunate consequence, he claimed, is that Mexican smugglers have been funneled now into the rural areas along the border that are much less protected, including parts of Cochise County, which shares an 85-mile-long border with Mexico.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/06/22/donald-trump-wants-a-border-wall-these-statistics-show-mexico-is-a-step-ahead-of-him/?utm_term=.0db1ddf6a1f3

http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/04/former-border-chief-arizona-border-wall-cut-put-a-dramatic-end-to-illegal-crossings/

http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/01/will-trumps-wall-work-this-chart-has-the-answer/

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/10/21/it-works-yuma-fence-manpower-make-border-nearly-impenetrable.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/border-insecurity-arizona-ranchers-frustrated-over-smugglers-crime-n106711

[charmander 692]

I find it funny elimination of 50 thousand people visa lottery is in the center of legal immigration debate. You can't even fill an average sized football stadium with that many people. 8 times as many immigrants are admitted each year in the chain migration categories (parents, adult children, siblings). Even the siblings category alone brings more immigrants than the lottery. In addition, god knows how many anchor babies (thanks to the 14th) are born as US citizens each year that yield to those chain migration discussion. Fine eliminate the visa lottery but just keep in mind it is only a tiny insignificant part of legal immigration. 

[Cyberfx1024 7,978]

The texts with different fonts denotes passages from different websites that are bookmarked below the passages.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Wait, say that again... a WALL CAN DETER ILLEGALS FROM ENTERING???

 

Gotta be #fakenews...

[Cyberfx1024 7,978]

5 minutes ago, charmander said:

I find it funny elimination of 50 thousand people visa lottery is in the center of legal immigration debate. You can't even fill an average sized football stadium with that many people. 8 times as many immigrants are admitted each year in the chain migration categories (parents, adult children, siblings). Even the siblings category alone brings more immigrants than the lottery. In addition, god knows how many anchor babies (thanks to the 14th) are born as US citizens each year that yield to those chain migration discussion. Fine eliminate the visa lottery but just keep in mind it is only a tiny insignificant part of legal immigration. 

It's not really about the whole DV system really but as soon as they come here they can start petitioning for family members to come here. So it's more than double that a year in actuality.

[Cyberfx1024 7,978]

1 minute ago, Keith & Arileidi said:

10 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

Before the Yuma fence was built, Colburn says the Yuma Border Patrol identified 2,706 times in a one year period when smugglers loaded up a vehicle with drugs and/or people and simply drove across the border. Just 13 of them were detected and stopped by immigration authorities. “The rest all got away, with no idea what or who they brought in,” his testimony notes.

After the fence was built, however, only six vehicles tried to cross the border, and every one of them was captured or turned back.

 

“by 2008, Yuma Sector arrests of illicit border crossers and traffickers had dwindled down from over 138,000 down to 8,363,” Colburn states in his testimony. “The known attempts to enter and the got-aways dwindled to an equally minimal number compared to the hundreds of thousands that entered and evaded arrest in previous years.”

 

'It works': Yuma's fence, manpower make border nearly impenetrable

 

Dannels argued that the biggest cause of his county's problems, ironically, is the federal government's plan in the 1990's to greatly strengthen security measures for the U.S. ports of entry and the southwest border cities, including San Diego, Yuma and El Paso.

In those highly-populated areas, authorities erected tall, layered steel fences; placed surveillance cameras and assigned increased numbers of U.S. Border Patrol and Customs agents.

Dannels conceded the border cities have greatly benefited from the plan and enjoy much lower crime rates than in the past.

But, an unfortunate consequence, he claimed, is that Mexican smugglers have been funneled now into the rural areas along the border that are much less protected, including parts of Cochise County, which shares an 85-mile-long border with Mexico.

 

 

Waiting on the evidence that I am wrong or that I am racists/anti-immigration.

Edited January 26, 2018 by cyberfx1024

[Keith & Arileidi 437]

Cyberfx1024 ... Are you sure you are interpreting those articles right? 

[charmander 692]

9 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

It's not really about the whole DV system really but as soon as they come here they can start petitioning for family members to come here. So it's more than double that a year in actuality.

They need to become US citizens (as any other immigrant, takes 5 years) to sponsor family members. 50 thousand is the total number including the derivatives.

 

https://www.dhs.gov/immigration-statistics/yearbook/2016

 

Check the Table 7d in the 2nd link all the way to bottom that says Table 1-12.(you need to open the zip file) Total DV visas in 2016 ~50K, DV1 (actual winners) 25K, spouses 11.6K, children 12.6K. 

Edited January 26, 2018 by charmander

[Cyberfx1024 7,978]

4 minutes ago, charmander said:

They need to become US citizens (as any other immigrant, takes 5 years) to sponsor family members. 50 thousand is the total number including the derivatives.

 

https://www.dhs.gov/immigration-statistics/yearbook/2016

 

Check the Table 7d in the 2nd link all the way to bottom that says Table 1-12.(you need to open the zip file) Total DV visas in 2016 ~50K, DV1 (actual winners) 25K, spouses 11.6K, children 12.6K. 

So basically 50k plus 11.6k and 12.6k a year equaling almost 100k a year get allowed into the country under the DV lottery system. So that means in 10 years that's 1 million people coming here under the DV lottery not counting the other ones that have been petitioned for since some of the DV immigrants are now citizens at that time. Sorry but I will take a cut to that any day of the week.

[Ban Hammer 12,835]

22 minutes ago, Keith & Arileidi said:

Well it did work for the China against the Mongols, but that was like a millennia ago. 

 

you might want to tell mexico that
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3790116/Mexico-wants-build-border-wall-Central-America-illegal-immigrants.html