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Just now, IDWAF said:

Unless you can quote me saying I am the only one who knows someone, then stop putting words in my keyboard.  

 

Anecdotes have their place.  Especially when they introduce more truth than the media that feeds us only what they want us to believe.  I’m sure there are more than one immigrant from Denmark who left due to the ridiculous taxes, not being able to own a car because they can’t afford one, and such as that.  

I am sure you're right, and it speaks only to their personal circumstances. You can't purport to present is as evidence to anything.

 

By that logic, all you need do it look at Snowden, and deduct that Russia is a far better country to live than America, which incidentally is what the Russian propaganda machine is doing. See how that works?

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14 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

   Kids born today live in a country that spends more to pay interest on the national debt than it spends on education, infrastructure, and development. It's not hard to see why they are disenchanted with modern capitalism. They are the ones who are going to be left holding the bag.

Trust me I feel the same way because it's going to affect me as well. I had a argument about 5 years ago with my late father about Social Security and how we  need to get away from it. Of course him being retired at the time thought it was great and how dare I say anything bad about it. That was until I showed him the statistics that my age is the first age group where we will pay in to the system more than we will receive from it. At that time I paid into SS a little over $4k for that year, and I explained to him how I should be the one to dictate where that money goes to not the government. 

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35 minutes ago, CaliCat said:

 

At that age group it might sound appealing to have free education through college and universal healthcare as in other socialist 1st world countries. What if we invested in our own first?

 

What if instead of MAGA we Made America First Again?

 

33 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

imagine that, a country who provides access to higher education and healthcare. no one has ever pulled that off right? or else we'd already be doing it??

I am ok with providing free tuition to a city or community college for free that's it. 

 

 

Also don't alot of the European countries that pay for higher education expense also make you test into those schools? 

 

http://money.cnn.com/2017/05/11/pf/college/tennessee-free-community-college/index.html

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14 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

Unless you can quote me saying I am the only one who knows someone, then stop putting words in my keyboard.  

 

Anecdotes have their place.  Especially when they introduce more truth than the media that feeds us only what they want us to believe.  I’m sure there are more than one immigrant from Denmark who left due to the ridiculous taxes, not being able to own a car because they can’t afford one, and such as that.  

i know a few people from denmark myself, so basically i have my own anecdotes. the assumption that i frame my world view based on media projection is insulting.

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4 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

 

I am ok with providing free tuition to a city or community college for free that's it. 

 

 

Also don't alot of the European countries that pay for higher education expense also make you test into those schools? 

 

http://money.cnn.com/2017/05/11/pf/college/tennessee-free-community-college/index.html

education should not be primarily something you have to purchase. local institutions of learning should definitely be free of charge to the student. i totally understand that 'nothing is free' but education is our best investment in the future. that's why its so frustrating that public education at lower levels is not properly funded and supported. 

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Just now, smilesammich said:

education should not be primarily something you have to purchase. local institutions of learning should definitely be free of charge to the student. i totally understand that 'nothing is free' but education is our best investment in the future. that's why its so frustrating that public education at lower levels is not properly funded and supported. 

I totally agree with you that it should be funded, but my take is that it should be funded either in the Community College or Technical level. If it is funded for a 4 year Public University then it should be just the first 2 years for GenEd courses that's it. 

 

 

What levels do you mean lower levels?

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5 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

I totally agree with you that it should be funded, but my take is that it should be funded either in the Community College or Technical level. If it is funded for a 4 year Public University then it should be just the first 2 years for GenEd courses that's it. 

 

 

What levels do you mean lower levels?

my issue with limiting to community/technical only is that there is a definte need for specialized diplomas that aren't of a general means and those fields shouldn't be out of reach because of inability to pay six figures.

 

elementary, middle, highschool level.

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captialism - where the rich get richer and the middle class becomes the poor.  the poor become the beggars and the beggars die due to a cold. 

You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself any direction you choose.  - Dr. Seuss

 

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1 minute ago, smilesammich said:

my issue with limiting to community/technical only is that there is a definte need for specialized diplomas that aren't of a general means and those fields shouldn't be out of reach because of inability to pay six figures.

 

elementary, middle, highschool level.

Specialized diplomas/skills like what exactly? That's why I threw in the technical degree aspect of it as well because there is a far greater demand for someone with technical skills than someone with a BS degree in 15th century middle English. That's why I said to pay for the first 2 years of GenEd courses in a Public not private college/university, but not the whole thing. 

 

I know a large amount of the HS's in the USA have gotten away from technical skills as well like autobody, woodshop, FFA, and the need to go back to that. 

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3 minutes ago, NikLR said:

captialism - where the rich get richer and the middle class becomes the poor.  the poor become the beggars and the beggars die due to a cold. 

Well you can stay in Canada with your Commie healthcare. I am middle class and I am getting richer btw. Maybe because your making poor life choices you aren't getting ahead but I am, even with a full household. 

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Just now, cyberfx1024 said:

Specialized diplomas/skills like what exactly? That's why I threw in the technical degree aspect of it as well because there is a far greater demand for someone with technical skills than someone with a BS degree in 15th century middle English. That's why I said to pay for the first 2 years of GenEd courses in a Public not private college/university, but not the whole thing. 

 

I know a large amount of the HS's in the USA have gotten away from technical skills as well like autobody, woodshop, FFA, and the need to go back to that. 

not bs degree in 15th century middle english..more like a degree in neuroscience? sure that isn't going to be the vast percentage of students, but the need for specialized degrees certainly exist.

 

this is true, and the entry level jobs for technical skills have pretty much been gobbled up by temp agencies who pay mcdonald's wages and offer zero training or advancement. we do need to go back to careers in what we now consider 'temp agency' employers because the vast majority of students are not going to be rocket scientists, or youtube sensations.

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2 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

Well you can stay in Canada with your Commie healthcare. I am middle class and I am getting richer btw. Maybe because your making poor life choices you aren't getting ahead but I am, even with a full household. 

seriously dude? calm down. if you weren't getting richer, i assume that would be only your own fault? jeez.

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7 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

not bs degree in 15th century middle english..more like a degree in neuroscience? sure that isn't going to be the vast percentage of students, but the need for specialized degrees certainly exist.

 

this is true, and the entry level jobs for technical skills have pretty much been gobbled up by temp agencies who pay mcdonald's wages and offer zero training or advancement. we do need to go back to careers in what we now consider 'temp agency' employers because the vast majority of students are not going to be rocket scientists, or youtube sensations.

Yeah a degree in neuroscience is great and I am on board with that and two years of paid GenEd courses will help alot with that as well. Don't act like you don't know that people with those types of degrees can have the company or hospital they work in help pay for the degree as long as they stay for x amount of years with that company. 

 

You are correct ENTRY LEVEL JOBS is ran by temp agencies and I know that for a fact. When my brother got out of prison(yes prison) a buddy of his offered him a job as a Electricians Apprentice at a temp agency. He worked that for 6+ months until he found a company that would sponsor him for the Electrician certification if he worked for them, and they offered benefits. So yes it's not always great at a temp agency but as long as you have a strong work ethic and put in the work you can thrive even if your a felon. 

6 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

seriously dude? calm down. if you weren't getting richer, i assume that would be only your own fault? jeez.

I am calm very calm actually. He wanted to comment with a snide remark so I though I would do it in kind. :thumbs:

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1 minute ago, cyberfx1024 said:

Yeah a degree in neuroscience is great and I am on board with that and two years of paid GenEd courses will help alot with that as well. Don't act like you don't know that people with those types of degrees can have the company or hospital they work in help pay for the degree as long as they stay for x amount of years with that company. 

 

You are correct ENTRY LEVEL JOBS is ran by temp agencies and I know that for a fact. When my brother got out of prison(yes prison) a buddy of his offered him a job as a Electricians Apprentice at a temp agency. He worked that for 6+ months until he found a company that would sponsor him for the Electrician certification if he worked for them, and they offered benefits. So yes it's not always great at a temp agency but as long as you have a strong work ethic and put in the work you can thrive even if your a felon. 

I am calm very calm actually. He wanted to comment with a snide remark so I though I would do it in kind. 

i got my job through a temp agency. i'm 15 years in now.. i wasn't saying getting a good entry level job was impossible. but work ethic is often not enough, especially if you have baggage like felonies.

 

i didn't even take that remark as snide. telling someone to go back where they came from is really off the chain not a calm reaction.

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15 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

Well you can stay in Canada with your Commie healthcare. I am middle class and I am getting richer btw. Maybe because your making poor life choices you aren't getting ahead but I am, even with a full household. 

Attacking much? ROFL! 

 

There is a declining middle class in the USA whether due to poor money choices, unfortunate events, etc... 

 

Communism as proven by history does not work.

Nor does pure socialism.

Neither does pure capitalism.  

There is a middle ground obviously. 

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You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself any direction you choose.  - Dr. Seuss

 

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