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Good luck proving it in court. The laws are completely stack against employees.

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For an employee who feels they have been discriminated against because of health reasons, the optics in front of the court are really poor for the employer and most large employers know it (even if their frontline managers do not), it is best to pursue the case.

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Yes and No

For an employee who feels they have been discriminated against because of health reasons, the optics in front of the court are really poor for the employer and most large employers know it (even if their frontline managers do not), it is best to pursue the case.

Nonsense, it is extremely difficult to prove discrimination. The whole at will employment rules make it very easy to fire anyone and hense it is difficult for employees to prove that they were fired because of discrimination.

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If an Amazon employee is unhappy working at Amazon - QUIT!

We are fortunate to live in a free country where we are free to choose our employer. I didn't like my last employer, so I quit and started my own company.

Sometimes work is hard. That why it's called "work" and not "fun".

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If an Amazon employee is unhappy working at Amazon - QUIT!

We are fortunate to live in a free country where we are free to choose our employer. I didn't like my last employer, so I quit and started my own company.

Sometimes work is hard. That why it's called "work" and not "fun".

You do know that in most countries people have the right to choose their employer, right? North Koreans might have that luxury, but in most countries, people typically do have that right. In America, people start out loaded up with student loans, so quiting might not be so easy. Besides, it's not like anyone might require health insurance coverage, while they are starting their own business.

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If an Amazon employee is unhappy working at Amazon - QUIT!

We are fortunate to live in a free country where we are free to choose our employer. I didn't like my last employer, so I quit and started my own company.

Sometimes work is hard. That why it's called "work" and not "fun".

If you read the NYT article that this one is based on, you'll see that people do leave. In fact, Amazon has the highest staff turnover of any Fortune 500 company. The issue is not that people leave, it's that they leave because Amazon fosters a workplace culture that drives people to depression.

If your boss puts you on a 'performance improvement plan' when you are on medical leave for cancer treatment or following a miscarriage, or say to you that starting a family is incompatible with the company ethos - as an employee you have more choices open to you than to just leave. You can, for example, sue them. And if that were to happen to you - you'd have every right to.

This thread is about whether people should look beyond their desire to order cheap, quickly available goods because their money is going to support a company with deeply unethical values.

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There are a lot of IT companies that behave in similar ways to their employees. The stories my fiancé used to tell me every night when he'd come home were troubling. Working environments like this can really destroy a soul.

I imagine that something in the employee contract may prevent them from suing, otherwise you'd think someone would have done it by now - especially regarding the discrimination/health based claims. That being said, I heard similar health-related stories in the workplace from other companies - in this case from low paid workers that didn't have the choice to the sue, because being so desperate for a job, they kept tolerating the poor working conditions.

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i guess the complainers at amazon never had a really tough job

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There are a lot of IT companies that behave in similar ways to their employees. The stories my fiancé used to tell me every night when he'd come home were troubling. Working environments like this can really destroy a soul.

I imagine that something in the employee contract may prevent them from suing, otherwise you'd think someone would have done it by now - especially regarding the discrimination/health based claims. That being said, I heard similar health-related stories in the workplace from other companies - in this case from low paid workers that didn't have the choice to the sue, because being so desperate for a job, they kept tolerating the poor working conditions.

Employee protection laws aren't what they used to be, but there are still red lines that should never be crossed. I think there's an element of brainwashing that takes place in some organisations that makes people feel that they have no redress for unfair or unlawful treatment.

Often the biggest incompetents are the HR department.

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i guess the complainers at amazon never had a really tough job

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So anyone who's not a soldier should shut up? Sorry, I just don't buy it.

I've had good jobs and bad jobs. I've had jobs where I literally put everything in and worked a hundred hours a week (that's not an exaggeration--sometimes I literally slept on the floor at work waiting for the next task) and I've had 9-5 style jobs and I've worked a lot of retail. At my hundred hour jobs, I was being paid well and my boss encouraged breaks and mental downtime during my workday. At my 9-5s, I was being paid reasonably well and my boss encouraged the bare minimum of breaks, but at least I got them. When working retail, hours jerk you around so you cannot plan a damn thing in your actual downtime because people have already made plans that don't include you, you get paid poorly and forget about labour laws--breaks may not exist and if you need to pee, you better have a strong sphincter.

Amazon sounds like the hour expectations of my hundred hour jobs combined with the thanklessness and unpredictability of a retail position.

People should be able to work to live, not live to work. It sounds like Amazon both doesn't allow that and purposely puts its headquarters in right to work states to avoid the risk of unionization.

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So anyone who's not a soldier should shut up? Sorry, I just don't buy it.

I've had good jobs and bad jobs. I've had jobs where I literally put everything in and worked a hundred hours a week (that's not an exaggeration--sometimes I literally slept on the floor at work waiting for the next task) and I've had 9-5 style jobs and I've worked a lot of retail. At my hundred hour jobs, I was being paid well and my boss encouraged breaks and mental downtime during my workday. At my 9-5s, I was being paid reasonably well and my boss encouraged the bare minimum of breaks, but at least I got them. When working retail, hours jerk you around so you cannot plan a damn thing in your actual downtime because people have already made plans that don't include you, you get paid poorly and forget about labour laws--breaks may not exist and if you need to pee, you better have a strong sphincter.

Amazon sounds like the hour expectations of my hundred hour jobs combined with the thanklessness and unpredictability of a retail position.

People should be able to work to live, not live to work. It sounds like Amazon both doesn't allow that and purposely puts its headquarters in right to work states to avoid the risk of unionization.

Agreed, it's irrelevant.

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So anyone who's not a soldier should shut up? Sorry, I just don't buy it.

I've had good jobs and bad jobs. I've had jobs where I literally put everything in and worked a hundred hours a week (that's not an exaggeration--sometimes I literally slept on the floor at work waiting for the next task) and I've had 9-5 style jobs and I've worked a lot of retail. At my hundred hour jobs, I was being paid well and my boss encouraged breaks and mental downtime during my workday. At my 9-5s, I was being paid reasonably well and my boss encouraged the bare minimum of breaks, but at least I got them. When working retail, hours jerk you around so you cannot plan a damn thing in your actual downtime because people have already made plans that don't include you, you get paid poorly and forget about labour laws--breaks may not exist and if you need to pee, you better have a strong sphincter.

Amazon sounds like the hour expectations of my hundred hour jobs combined with the thanklessness and unpredictability of a retail position.

People should be able to work to live, not live to work. It sounds like Amazon both doesn't allow that and purposely puts its headquarters in right to work states to avoid the risk of unionization.

Sounds like you've had a lot of jobs.

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I really don't know what the Amazon workplace is like but lets talk about their their lousy credit card. When I first got the thing it offered 3 to 1 points on amazon purchases, 2 to 1 for many others and 1 to 1 for the rest... They also did yearly bonuses of 7500 points if you could spend 1500 during the month of December. The points and travel option (unique to them) would essentially let me fly between any two points in the US for the equivalent of 75 bucks round trip... Then the bonuses went away, the air travel option went away, the 2 for 1 went away and what was left was basically 3% cash back on Amazon purchases. I held onto it up until now because I thought they might eventually add free Prime but no more! Goodbye Chase Amazon, Hello Starwood AMEX SPG! ..... Feels so good to break those shackles!

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I know they don't have decent payment security on transactions (which is how they have the 'Buy with one-click'), because it's cheaper for them to pay the fine than implement a security standard.

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Sounds like you've had a lot of jobs.

Moved around a lot in early adulthood and I had my first job at twelve and had full time work through high school. Changed jobs fairly regularly in high school due to scheduling shifts changing around with different managers making full time incompatible with high school classes. Changed jobs occasionally even while stationary trying to find the right fit--I won't stay in a place that isn't paying me well enough for the stress level. It's not worth it to me. My personal health comes first and despite so many jobs on my resume, I am very hireable and have never taken more than 2-3 weeks to find a new job when I decide that I don't want to be somewhere anymore. Never been fired, but have walked off the job once due to abusive management. I also once left a job for health reasons--I had become allergic to the substances with which I was working.

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