Trump's plan for Islamic State: 'Put a ring around it'

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

From the perspective of the people that use their presence to mobilize militants, that's what they are. We see them as fighting for freedom and democracy, extremists see them as jackbooted thugs and use that image to mobilize. Take away the image, you take away their power. It's really that simple. I'm not saying our soldiers ARE jackbooted thugs, I am saying that is the image that we keep giving the extremist leaders to use and that it's getting our soldiers killed.

Do you like people dying fruitlessly? Because I am not a fan of that, personally. I like when our soldiers come home.

There certainly is a difference in perception between what politicians say, what people believe at home and what the local populations in the countries we are supposedly helping believe.

The military is scrutinised more than it ever has before and it's unfortunate that things like Abu Ghraib tarnish the work of military personnel and feed anti western resentment.

The whole problem with Iraq was that the then US/UK governments just weren't interested in the feelings of local people. Saddam may well have been hiding military equipment in hospitals and power plants etc but it's difficult to convince the people relying on those services as to why you've blown it up.

The real problem of course is that regardless of what the politicians say, we don't get into these situations with humanitarian goals in mind. Our governments routinely trade on the reputation of people who serve their country to justify dubious agendas and people like LIB here get swept up in them - hence the view that questioning policy is disparaging the troops.

Personally, I wouldn't serve in the military - because I wouldn't want to become cannon fodder for a corrupt government. Some wars can be seen as just (as just as such a thing can be), but we haven't had one in many many years. ISIS is the direct result of ill thought out foreign policy in Iraq, just as the Cambodian genocide was the unintended side effect of US bombing campaigns during Vietnam. It's shameful and what's worse there are plenty of Yahoos for whom the US can do no wrong. Those people can't get enough of war.

I fully expect this post to mischaracterised, same as the others - but there you go.

Edited August 11, 2015 by Venkman

[spookyturtle 9,465]

You are king spook. How do you contain isis and keep them from spreading across the Middle East and Europe.

An ISIS firing squad has gunned down more than 300 civil servants – including at least 50 women – in Mosul, Iraq, a rival rebel group and locals have claimed.

They were slaughtered at the Galzani army camp on Saturday for being ‘apostates and infidels’, according to a spokesman for the National Crowd militant group which battles ISIS in the Niveneh Province.

All 300 reportedly worked for Iraq’s Electoral Commission which has since urged the UN and other human rights groups to help ‘stop the slaughter and crimes against the Iraqi people’.

It is not clear why the civil servants were in the ISIS-controlled city but local media reports suggest they had worked there in relative peace over the last few years.

The Commission says the extremists beheaded another group of its employees in Mosul before slaughtering 300 innocent workers, the EFE news agency reported.

The JV GANG strikes again

I'm guessing that China and North Korea have killed more innocent people than ISIS. That's where we should really be fighting against oppression.

[lostinblue 1,989]

I'm guessing that China and North Korea have killed more innocent people than ISIS. That's where we should really be fighting against oppression.

Thought the topic was isis ... and trump.

[Cardinal-Puff 4]

Thought the topic was isis ... and trump.

Overall oppression and murder of citizens is always a good topic of conversation.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Thought the topic was isis ... and trump.

Trump would be one of those manly presidents who leads from the front with the troops. He'd probably give himself the medal of honour for snatching off his wig, throwing it in the face of an ISIS commander and then gutting him with his platinum card.

[Cardinal-Puff 4]

Trump would be one of those manly presidents who leads from the front with the troops. He'd probably give himself the medal of honour for snatching off his wig, throwing it in the face of an ISIS commander and then gutting him with his platinum card.

You would hope he would lead from the front. But you are a delusional if you think he has a platinum card. You liberals can't even comprehend an American Express Centurion Card.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You would hope he would lead from the front. But you are a delusional if you think he has a platinum card. You liberals can't even comprehend an American Express Centurion Card.

I stand corrected. I inagine he has a crossbelt of them that he can use as throwing stars.

[Not a Tailor 1,370]

I stand corrected. I inagine he has a crossbelt of them that he can use as throwing stars.

Please. He pays someone else to both carry the crossbelt and throw the cards while a second employee combs his toupee. Should the 'sharpcarder' fail to hit a target even once, they are fired on the spot and one of the many people groveling at his feet for a crumb from his extravagant 30 course dinner takes their place. Throwing things might mess up his MANicure.

[Darnell 8,478]

Overall oppression and murder of citizens is always a good topic of conversation.

thread-drift sucks, though - are you on a handphone or feckless tablet ?

[spookyturtle 9,465]

Another new former member! Maybe it's MBD.

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

So for the record, you're in favor of putting boots on the ground and starting a war against ISIS. I'm sure the majority of Americans want to send our troops back to the Middle East.

No doubt the problem will go away on its own or somebody else will fix it.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

No doubt the problem will go away on its own or somebody else will fix it.

Like al-qaeda?

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

Like al-qaeda?

*poof*

[lostinblue 1,989]

ISIS'S DESPICABLE 'PRICE LIST' FOR YAZIDI AND CHRISTIAN SLAVES

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A translated version of the document (left) was shared online by humanitarian and peace prize winner Dr Widad Akrawi, and reads as follows:

We have received news that the demand in Women and Cattle market has sharply decreased and that will affect Islamic State revenues as well as the funding of mujahideen in the battlefield, therefore we have made some changes. Below are the prices for Yazidi and Christian women.

The price for Yazidi or Christian women between the age of 40 - 50 is $43 (£27)

$75 (48) for 30 to 40-year-olds

$86 (£55) for 20 to 30-year-olds

$130 (£83) for ten to 20-year-olds

$172 (£110) for one to nine-year-olds

Customers are allowed to purchase only three items with the exception of customers from Turkey, Syria and Gulf countries.

Dated and sealed by ISIS in Iraq October 16, 2014.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3193766/Horrific-treatment-11-year-old-Yazidi-sex-slave-forced-protect-depraved-ISIS-captor-gunfire.html#ixzz3iciHxrEj

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One to nine year olds get the most money as sex slaves .... Following in the footsteps of their spiritual leader

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I think we all know that they are not nice people...

Unfortunately other people have reaped what the US/UK and their allies have sown.

If you supported those conflicts, you have no credibility to take issue with ISIS. It's the latest result of bad foreign policy.