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When looking at evidence of mail addressed to both of us: we have a couple of wedding invitations, magazine subscriptions and other mail that has been addressed to both of us. Should I send in the original invites/other envelopes with our I-751 package, or keep the originals safe at home and send photocopies of the outer and inner envelopes?

Which is more persuasive?

Thanks!

Sukie in NY


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Photocopies!! Always send copies of those type of documents, keep the originals safe at home.

I'm doing ROC right now too and sent copies of everything, no originals.

Good luck, from a fellow Aussie!

Edited by jordan85

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What's wrong with sending the original and keeping a copy for yourself?

This is minor evidence, anyway.


06-04-2007 = TSC stamps postal return-receipt for I-129f.

06-11-2007 = NOA1 date (unknown to me).

07-20-2007 = Phoned Immigration Officer; got WAC#; where's NOA1?

09-25-2007 = Touch (first-ever).

09-28-2007 = NOA1, 23 days after their 45-day promise to send it (grrrr).

10-20 & 11-14-2007 = Phoned ImmOffs; "still pending."

12-11-2007 = 180 days; file is "between workstations, may be early Jan."; touches 12/11 & 12/12.

12-18-2007 = Call; file is with Division 9 ofcr. (bckgrnd check); e-prompt to shake it; touch.

12-19-2007 = NOA2 by e-mail & web, dated 12-18-07 (187 days; 201 per VJ); in mail 12/24/07.

01-09-2008 = File from USCIS to NVC, 1-4-08; NVC creates file, 1/15/08; to consulate 1/16/08.

01-23-2008 = Consulate gets file; outdated Packet 4 mailed to fiancee 1/27/08; rec'd 3/3/08.

04-29-2008 = Fiancee's 4-min. consular interview, 8:30 a.m.; much evidence brought but not allowed to be presented (consul: "More proof! Second interview! Bring your fiance!").

05-05-2008 = Infuriating $12 call to non-English-speaking consulate appointment-setter.

05-06-2008 = Better $12 call to English-speaker; "joint" interview date 6/30/08 (my selection).

06-30-2008 = Stokes Interrogations w/Ecuadorian (not USC); "wait 2 weeks; we'll mail her."

07-2008 = Daily calls to DOS: "currently processing"; 8/05 = Phoned consulate, got Section Chief; wrote him.

08-07-08 = E-mail from consulate, promising to issue visa "as soon as we get her passport" (on 8/12, per DHL).

08-27-08 = Phoned consulate (they "couldn't find" our file); visa DHL'd 8/28; in hand 9/1; through POE on 10/9 with NO hassles(!).

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Generally speaking, I think USCIS likes you to send photocopies, though they may ask to see originals at an interview. I'd worry that originals may get lost in the mail, then you won't be able to show original documents, because it's now lost, rendering your evidence useless.


N-400 Application for Naturalization

07/15/16 - N-400 and supporting documents sent to Phoenix via FedEx

07/17/16 - Earliest accepted filing date

07/18/16 - Package delivered to Phoenix

07/21/16 - Check cashed

07/25/16 - NOA received via USPS (dated 07/21/16)

07/26/16 - Biometrics appointment notice available online

08/10/16 - Biometrics appointment

02/24/16 - Online status change to "Interview Scheduled"

02/27/17 - Interview appointment notice available online

03/31/17 - N-400 interview at Los Angeles office - Recommended for approval
03/31/17 - Online status change to "Oath Ceremony Scheduled"
04/03/17 - Oath ceremony notice available online

04/18/17 - Oath ceremony

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What's wrong with sending the original and keeping a copy for yourself?

This is minor evidence, anyway.

What's wrong with it is that they ask for copies. You are not giving them what they asked for, and someone at uscis will have to work extra to make the copies. Edited by Maria2012

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1. What's wrong with it is that they ask for copies. You are not giving them what they asked for

2. and someone at uscis will have to work extra to make the copies.

1. The precise I-751 language says: "Copies. Unless specifically required that an original document be filed with the petition, a legible photocopy may be submitted. Original documents submitted when not required will remain a part of the record, and will not automatically be returned to you."

The "may" is permissive -- up to the filer to send an original or a copy. Because the OP appears to be concerned about persuasiveness, she's free to submit the originals if she can part with them.

2. This is assuming facts that are not in evidence.

Edited by TBoneTX

06-04-2007 = TSC stamps postal return-receipt for I-129f.

06-11-2007 = NOA1 date (unknown to me).

07-20-2007 = Phoned Immigration Officer; got WAC#; where's NOA1?

09-25-2007 = Touch (first-ever).

09-28-2007 = NOA1, 23 days after their 45-day promise to send it (grrrr).

10-20 & 11-14-2007 = Phoned ImmOffs; "still pending."

12-11-2007 = 180 days; file is "between workstations, may be early Jan."; touches 12/11 & 12/12.

12-18-2007 = Call; file is with Division 9 ofcr. (bckgrnd check); e-prompt to shake it; touch.

12-19-2007 = NOA2 by e-mail & web, dated 12-18-07 (187 days; 201 per VJ); in mail 12/24/07.

01-09-2008 = File from USCIS to NVC, 1-4-08; NVC creates file, 1/15/08; to consulate 1/16/08.

01-23-2008 = Consulate gets file; outdated Packet 4 mailed to fiancee 1/27/08; rec'd 3/3/08.

04-29-2008 = Fiancee's 4-min. consular interview, 8:30 a.m.; much evidence brought but not allowed to be presented (consul: "More proof! Second interview! Bring your fiance!").

05-05-2008 = Infuriating $12 call to non-English-speaking consulate appointment-setter.

05-06-2008 = Better $12 call to English-speaker; "joint" interview date 6/30/08 (my selection).

06-30-2008 = Stokes Interrogations w/Ecuadorian (not USC); "wait 2 weeks; we'll mail her."

07-2008 = Daily calls to DOS: "currently processing"; 8/05 = Phoned consulate, got Section Chief; wrote him.

08-07-08 = E-mail from consulate, promising to issue visa "as soon as we get her passport" (on 8/12, per DHL).

08-27-08 = Phoned consulate (they "couldn't find" our file); visa DHL'd 8/28; in hand 9/1; through POE on 10/9 with NO hassles(!).

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1. The precise I-751 language says: "Copies. Unless specifically required that an original document be filed with the petition, a legible photocopy may be submitted. Original documents submitted when not required will remain a part of the record, and will not automatically be returned to you."

The "may" is permissive -- up to the filer to send an original or a copy. Because the OP appears to be concerned about persuasiveness, she's free to submit the originals if she can part with them.

2. This is assuming facts that are not in evidence.

Thanks TBoneTX and others. Because we are a same-sex couple, I wanted to add stuff like family weddings to show that we are considered "family" by both our families of origin. We've got good financial evidence, good travel-together evidence, wills, etc. But we are thankful and proud that both of our families have come to the table and embraced us. Sending in these documents is really more for US than for USCIS!

Since docs can easily be faked, I thought that the originals might be better.

And...like all the VJ instructions say, I will be making two complete photocopies of EVERY document that is submitted with our I-751!!!!

Many thanks to VJ!

Sukie in NY


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Our Prior Journey

N-400 Naturalization

18-Feb-2018 - submitted N-400 online, credit card charged

18-Feb-2018 - NOA1

12-Mar-2018 - Biometrics 

18-June-2018 - Notice of interview received

26-July-2018 - Interview  - APPROVED!!!

26-July-2018 - Oath Ceremony Scheduled

17-Aug-2018 - Oath Ceremony

 

 

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