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My husband just got his citizenship May 18th and he was told he would have to apply for a U.S. Passport. When he received his citizenship he received a certificate of naturalization, a very nice shiny purdy one...lol. Anyhow, he was told never to lose it because it was very costly to replace. When he applied for his passport, I made a copy of it, among other things, and took it to the passport office and they said they needed to send the ORIGINAL certificate off with his passport papers. (however, they would return it of course.) <_< It seems to me that the passport office is carrying a very big responsibility. If they lose it, they will cost me quite a bit of money to replace it. But is this common for offices to request and keep important "original" papers that may or may not be replaceable?

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“You cannot enter heaven until you believe, and you will not truly believe until you (truly) love one another.” [Muslim, Al-Iman (Faith); 93]

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Yes, they need the original- and when they send the passport back, they will send the cert in a separate envelope, so don;t panic when they don;t arrive at the same time!

It is one of those crazy things, same as with credit cards where they tell you never to let it out of your sight, and the first thing most people do is go to a restaurant and let the waiter walk off with their credit card when they pay.


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Me: Irish/ Swiss citizen, and now naturalised US citizen. Husband: USC; twin babies born Feb 08 in Ireland and a daughter in Feb 2010 in Arkansas who are all joint Irish/ USC. Did DCF (IR1) in 6 weeks via the Dublin, Ireland embassy and now living in Arkansas.

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It's common and you have to supply them.

I had the same problem. I was terrified of sending my original after they warned us at the ceremony to keep it safe and not even post pic of it online. They even asked for my original marriage certificate and because I didn't get married here, it would extremely hard to replace and I only have one copy.

Anyways I made a color copy of them (I guess just to give me piece of mind) and brought them to the acceptance facility. They took them and sent the off with my application and I got my passport 2 weeks later and 2 days after that i received a first class package and it was all my paperwork. I've asked a few ppl and no one I know has ever had an issue getting their paperwork back.


09/27/14 Married :content:

12/03/14 Became a US citizen :star:

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02/25/15 130 Petition sent

02/27/15 NOA1 date :clock:

07/23/15 NOA2 date

08/03/15 Mailed to NVC

08/07/15 NVC Received

08/19/15 Case number assigned, submitted DS-261

08/20/15 Paid AOS bill

08/25/15 Received welcome letter

08/25/15 Sent AOS & IV package

08/31/15 DS-261 reviewed

08/31/15 AOS & IV scan date confirmed by Sup.

09/02/15 Received IV bill by email

09/03/15 Paid IV bill

09/09/15 Submitted DS-260

09/17/15 Case Completed @ NVC

10/06/15 Expedite Request sent to NVC

11/12/15 Contacted Sen. Marco Rubio for assistance with expedite by email

11/19/15 Expedite Approved

12/9/15 Medical

12/11/15 Interview (Approved)

12/14/15 CEAC Status changed to AP

12/15/15 CEAC Status Changed to Issued

12/18/15 Picked up Passport & booked hubby's ticket.

12/31/15 Ring in the New Years together after 4 years!!!! :dancing:

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Okay, thought just came to my mind. If my husband is now an American Citizen, 'as am I', why would he even need to apply for a passport? It seemed mandatory. I'm a citizen and I don't have to. Yes, I would need to, and him, if we either went over sea's, but for him, they made it 'seem' mandatory. And he still had to jump through more additional hoops than I would have had to get the passport. When I got mine, I just had to fill out simple paperwork. But you would think after his naturalization ceremony, if he is considered a citizen, there would be no more hoop jumping. Am I wrong in that assumption?


“You cannot enter heaven until you believe, and you will not truly believe until you (truly) love one another.” [Muslim, Al-Iman (Faith); 93]

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Okay, thought just came to my mind. If my husband is now an American Citizen, 'as am I', why would he even need to apply for a passport? It seemed mandatory. I'm a citizen and I don't have to. Yes, I would need to, and him, if we either went over sea's, but for him, they made it 'seem' mandatory. And he still had to jump through more additional hoops than I would have had to get the passport. When I got mine, I just had to fill out simple paperwork. But you would think after his naturalization ceremony, if he is considered a citizen, there would be no more hoop jumping. Am I wrong in that assumption?

He's not required to apply for a passport. Definitely not mandatory.

There are no hoops... the Department of State requires some proof of citizenship before they'll give someone a passport.

When an American-born citizen applies for his first passport, he has to present a birth certificate.

Since a naturalized citizen's birth certificate does not prove his US citizenship, the naturalization certificate is required.

Both you and your husband are required to provide one document proofing your citizenship when applying for a passport for the first time; they just happen to be different documents.

When he renews his passport in the future he won't need the certificate because his old passport itself would serve as proof of citizenship.

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For a review of each step of my N-400 naturalization process, from application to oath ceremony, please click here.

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Okay, thought just came to my mind. If my husband is now an American Citizen, 'as am I', why would he even need to apply for a passport? It seemed mandatory. I'm a citizen and I don't have to. Yes, I would need to, and him, if we either went over sea's, but for him, they made it 'seem' mandatory. And he still had to jump through more additional hoops than I would have had to get the passport. When I got mine, I just had to fill out simple paperwork. But you would think after his naturalization ceremony, if he is considered a citizen, there would be no more hoop jumping. Am I wrong in that assumption?

He didn't have to, regardless of what was or was not implied. Naturalized citizens don't need a passport anymore than a native born.

When he renews his passport in the future he won't need the certificate because his old passport itself would serve as proof of citizenship.
Yep, or for $30 more her hubby could also apply for the passport card and it also satisfied citizenship proof on renewal, so when it's time to renew in 10 years he need not relinquish his naturalization cert or soon-to-expire passport, even for the month it takes to all happen.

Good luck!

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*** Thread moved from main US Citizenship forum to the "Passports, etc." subforum. ***


06-04-2007 = TSC stamps postal return-receipt for I-129f.

06-11-2007 = NOA1 date (unknown to me).

07-20-2007 = Phoned Immigration Officer; got WAC#; where's NOA1?

09-25-2007 = Touch (first-ever).

09-28-2007 = NOA1, 23 days after their 45-day promise to send it (grrrr).

10-20 & 11-14-2007 = Phoned ImmOffs; "still pending."

12-11-2007 = 180 days; file is "between workstations, may be early Jan."; touches 12/11 & 12/12.

12-18-2007 = Call; file is with Division 9 ofcr. (bckgrnd check); e-prompt to shake it; touch.

12-19-2007 = NOA2 by e-mail & web, dated 12-18-07 (187 days; 201 per VJ); in mail 12/24/07.

01-09-2008 = File from USCIS to NVC, 1-4-08; NVC creates file, 1/15/08; to consulate 1/16/08.

01-23-2008 = Consulate gets file; outdated Packet 4 mailed to fiancee 1/27/08; rec'd 3/3/08.

04-29-2008 = Fiancee's 4-min. consular interview, 8:30 a.m.; much evidence brought but not allowed to be presented (consul: "More proof! Second interview! Bring your fiance!").

05-05-2008 = Infuriating $12 call to non-English-speaking consulate appointment-setter.

05-06-2008 = Better $12 call to English-speaker; "joint" interview date 6/30/08 (my selection).

06-30-2008 = Stokes Interrogations w/Ecuadorian (not USC); "wait 2 weeks; we'll mail her."

07-2008 = Daily calls to DOS: "currently processing"; 8/05 = Phoned consulate, got Section Chief; wrote him.

08-07-08 = E-mail from consulate, promising to issue visa "as soon as we get her passport" (on 8/12, per DHL).

08-27-08 = Phoned consulate (they "couldn't find" our file); visa DHL'd 8/28; in hand 9/1; through POE on 10/9 with NO hassles(!).

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He's not required to apply for a passport. Definitely not mandatory.

There are no hoops... the Department of State requires some proof of citizenship before they'll give someone a passport.

When an American-born citizen applies for his first passport, he has to present a birth certificate.

Since a naturalized citizen's birth certificate does not prove his US citizenship, the naturalization certificate is required.

Both you and your husband are required to provide one document proofing your citizenship when applying for a passport for the first time; they just happen to be different documents.

When he renews his passport in the future he won't need the certificate because his old passport itself would serve as proof of citizenship.

Wow... I just realized that I wrote "proofing"!

Jet-lag folks.


For a review of each step of my N-400 naturalization process, from application to oath ceremony, please click here.

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Ok... thanks a bunch for your replys. When I applied for my passport approx 7 years ago I don't remember giving them my birth certificate. All I remember is filling out a lil' ole' piece of paper. Lol.


“You cannot enter heaven until you believe, and you will not truly believe until you (truly) love one another.” [Muslim, Al-Iman (Faith); 93]

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Ok... thanks a bunch for your replys. When I applied for my passport approx 7 years ago I don't remember giving them my birth certificate. All I remember is filling out a lil' ole' piece of paper. Lol.

That would be strange because then anyone visiting the US on a two week vacation from Belgium, Uganda, Canada, Thailand, Argentina, New Zealand, or anywhere else could pick up a US passport while they were here!

But rules change, so who knows!

The current rules do require proof of citizenship from everyone:

3. Submit Evidence of U.S. Citizenship

When applying for a U.S. passport in person, evidence of U.S. citizenship must be submitted with Form DS-11. All documentation submitted as citizenship evidence will be returned to you. These documents will be delivered with your newly issued U.S. passport or in a separate mailing.

Primary Evidence of U.S. Citizenship (You must submit one of the following. Photocopies and notarized copies are not acceptable):

  • Previously issued, undamaged, and fully valid U.S. Passport (5 year for minors or 10 years for adults)
  • Certified U.S. birth certificate (must meet all of the following requirements):
    • Issued by the City, County, or State of birth
    • Lists bearer's full name, date of birth, and place of birth
    • Lists parent(s) full names
    • Has date filed with registrar's office (must be within one year of birth)
    • Has registrar's signature
    • Has embossed, impressed, or multicolored seal of registrar
    • Photocopies and notarized copies are unacceptable
  • Consular Report of Birth Abroad or Certification of Birth
  • Naturalization Certificate
  • Certificate of Citizenship
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For a review of each step of my N-400 naturalization process, from application to oath ceremony, please click here.

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Ok... thanks a bunch for your replys. When I applied for my passport approx 7 years ago I don't remember giving them my birth certificate. All I remember is filling out a lil' ole' piece of paper. Lol.

lol Just saying 'That's all I remember....." which isn't saying much... lol


“You cannot enter heaven until you believe, and you will not truly believe until you (truly) love one another.” [Muslim, Al-Iman (Faith); 93]

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lol Just saying 'That's all I remember....." which isn't saying much... lol

It was a long time ago! :-)

I hope your husband gets his passport soon.

I remember what I had to submit to renew my Egyptian passport last time... pretty much everything except the refrigerator warranty!


For a review of each step of my N-400 naturalization process, from application to oath ceremony, please click here.

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Passport Services will only send back the citizenship documents when they are done with them.

My wife had an error on her Passport Application The acceptance agent at a local library was so happy she had everything prepared she forgot to tell her to sign the application. As a result my wife received a letter from the local Passport Agency (Washington, DC) six weeks later saying she didn't sign her application. The letter advised her to go back to the acceptance agent she went to with the letter and refile at no charge. The letter also stated the citizenship document submitted will be kept by the Passport Agency until they are done with her application.

Of course my wife was mad, she called NPIC (National Passport Information Center) and told the agent that she doesn't have time to go back to the library and apply again. She only went to the library because it was the only place that we could find that accepts applications on Saturday without an appointment. The agent at NPIC said she could go to the Washington, DC Passport Agency the next day without an appointment. So she went to the Passport Agency the next day with the letter, and after waiting two hours for a clerk, the clerk pulled her application and said she did forget to sign it and had her sign it there. She was told to come back in two days to get her passport, and if she couldn't it would be mailed to her. Three days later, a Priority Mail envelope arrived with my wife's passport and naturalization certificate.


Here is the information regarding the cases for my in-laws (wife, their daughter, is the petitioner under the IR-5 category, Parents of a USC):

Submit I-130 (2 petitions) to USCIS on May 30, 2013

USCIS approved the cases on March 10, 2014.

Received notice online from USCIS the cases were sent to NVC on March 17, 2014.

NVC received the cases on March 28, 2014

The case numbers were created on Monday, April 28.

We received the numbers by phone on Friday, May 2.

DS-261 became available on both cases late in the evening on Friday, May 2. Both DS-261 filed on Saturday, May 3.

Received emails to my wife regarding AOS at around 8am on Wednesday, May 7. At the same time received emails that were cc of letters sent to my in-laws. However, the date of all of the letters was Monday, May 5.

Received emails regarding the Immigrant Visa Fee at around 11:15am on Wednesday, May 7. IV fees became available online at around 1pm on Wednesday, May 7. Date of invoice was Tuesday, May 8.

Paid all the fees on Wednesday, May 7 at around 1:15pm.

All fees marked as paid and DS-260 become available sometime late on Friday, May 9.

Dropped off IV and AOS packages (in two different envelopes - 1 for AOS and 1 for IV documents) at the local post office at around 2pm on Saturday, May 10.

Submitted DS-260 (for both cases) around 10am on Sunday, May 11.

Both document packages received by NVC on Monday, May 12 (according to Post Office Tracking - one around 1pm and the other around 4pm. Don't know why they got separated.)

Received checklist email for both cases at 4pm on Thursday, June 12 regarding the IV civil documents

Wife called NVC in the afternoon of Friday, June 13 to inquire about the checklist. Told by a representative they are normal and automatic and not to worry. AOS under review. Call back after Tuesday, June 24.
Received a checklist for my father-in-law on Monday, June 16. NVC reviewed his AOS paperwork, but waiting for the documents the requested the week before.

Wife called NVC in the morning of Tuesday, June 17. Told by the agent they don't have the document requested for dad, and they don't have the AOS package for her mom.

Put in a request with our Senator to get more information. Response was mother-in-law is documentary complete and father-in-law was in document review for the military document.

Wife called NVC on the morning of Tuesday, July 1 and spoke with a supervisor regarding her dad's military document. Supervisor said she would look into it.

Supervisor called us and left a voicemail on the morning of Wednesday, July 9 and stated they have located my father-in-law's military documents. Case sent back to document review.

Per conversation with an agent, the expedited request originally requested by email on July 7, was sent to the Embassy on Thursday, July 10.

Received by postal mail on Thursday, August 21 from our Senator regarding the response of another inquiry. Still the same.

Early in the morning on Friday, August 22:

Wife calls the Embassy and was told the IV section doesn't accept calls, and was given a number in the states that turned out to be scheduling assistance for NIV interviews.

Called NVC as soon as they opened and was told the Embassy denied the expedite request, but the case was completed by NVC on Monday, August 18. Wife inquired about interview scheduling, and was given some good information.

At 5 PM on Thursday, September 11, received the interview letters. Interview is scheduled for the morning of October 9.

Mother-in-law approved. Father-in-law placed in Administrative Processing due to follow-up TB test.

CEAC stated ISSUED for my mother-in-law on October 15. DHL had the package for pick up on October 17 but called the wrong number. Package picked up on October 27.

On December 11 mother-in-law received a phone call from the Embassy that the medical is back for my father-in-law and to DHL his passport to them. Passport sent on December 12.

On December 18 CEAC updated to ISSUED for my father-in-law. My wife is happy!!!! Embassy said they gave it to DHL on December 19

Due to a DHL delay the package did not become available for pick up until December 24. USCIS Immigrant Fee paid the same day.

POE: JFK Terminal 1 - December 26, 2014 - They are finally here!!!

Took them to a local SSA office to get SSN on January 6, 2015. Cards received on January 10, 2015.

Green Cards received by priority mail on January 23, 2015 (four weeks after arrival).

Both went to motor vehicles and got state issued ID cards on April 11, 2015.

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