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Hi all ,

I am stuck in a few parts of N-400 form.

A little bit of our case scenario... I became permanent resident (based on marriage to US citizen) in 2009, removed condition in 2011. My wife is a US citizen by birth. We didnt have money and this, that ...so I am filing N-400 in 2015. Now part 1 options for me :

1) Have been permanent resident for at least 3 years

2) Have been permanent for at least 3 years. In addition you have been married to and living with the same US citizen spouse for last 3 years and your spouse has been a citizen for last 3 years.

Which one should i click on ?

Also this is what my N-400 package is looking like - would that be enough ? do i have to provide our pics at differeent places , recommendation letters from friends & family ...as I did for permamnent residence application ?

Thanks & I appreciate all the replies I can get

  1. Completed N-400 – Signed & Dated & passport pics
  2. Money Order of $680 payable to U.S. Department of Homeland Security
  3. Front & Back photocopy of Permanent Resident card
  4. Copy of Old and Renewed Passport of Permanent Resident
  5. Copy of US citizen`s (spouse) Passport
  6. Copy of US citizen`s (spouse) birth certificate
  7. Copy of our Marriage certificate
  8. Copy of US citizen`s ( spouse) – 2 prior marriages
  9. Permanent Resident`s Driving License
  10. US Citizen`s Driving License
  11. Form G-1145

Evidences of Joint Activities:

  1. IRS Tax Transcripts- Married filed jointly for the years :
  2. Bank Letter from our old bank & New bank showing joint accounts
  3. Current Renting contract & letter from realty showing years of renting from them
  4. Current Joint Car buying loan from our bank
  5. Joint Car insurance
  6. 2 Health Insurances showing each other as beneficiary name
  7. State teachers retirement web print showing death beneficiary name
  8. Medicare web print showing authorized person name
  9. Water Bill from 2009 and 2015 showing both names
  10. YMCA Joint Membership
  11. Permanent Resident`s salary account showing US citizen`s name as wife
  12. Unilevel alternative health business page showing Permanent Resident as spouse of US citizen
  13. Joint Credit Cards
  14. Joint Scottrade share account
  15. Recent certificate course taken jointly
  16. Dog Neutering & Dog obedience class showing both names

AOS
Married: June 9, 2008.
Visa expired : June 12, 2008
Filed for AOS . Sent through USPS Priority Express : March 03, 2009
Package Delieverd at USCIS: March 05, 2009
March 13, 2009 : Checks Cashed
March 13, 2009 : NOA 1 received on I-485, I-130, I-765. Dated March 11th, 09
March 17, 2009 : Biometrics Letter recieved (Dated 13th March). Interview on 1st week of April
April 2, 2009 : Biometrics done. Total time taken with wait 20 mins.
April 22, 2009 : Called USCIS. They have received fingerprints and work permit is in process.
May 7, 2009 : I-765 case online. Card Production ordered.
May 11,2009 : EAD card received.
May 12,2009 : Applied for SSN.
May 18,2009 : Received SS card.
June 08,2009 : Received Letter for Interview ( scheduled on July 14 th July )
July 14th : Great Interview. All done in 20 mins.
July 18th: Online status - Card Production ordered. Thank God !! I-130 online status : Pending
July 23rd : Welcome to USA & I-130 approval letter recieved. Online status still shows pending.
July 31st : Received conditional green card
Removing Condition
3/25/11 - Received reminder from USCIS to file for ROC
5/6/11 - Sent I-751 Packet to CSC via usps
5/9/11- Package delivered to csc.
5/11/11- Check cashed electronically by CSC
5/16/11- NOA 1 received
5/27/11 - Biometrics letter received.Scheduled on 06/06/11. Case Online
6/6/11 - Biometrics done
9/6/11 - Approved.Card Production Ordered
9/12/11- Card Received

Citizenship

10/13/15 : Sent N400

10/16/15 : NOA

11/13/15 : Fingerprints

11/17/15 : In Line for Interview

01/11/16 : Interview- Passed & Given Oath letter & Date by hand

01/14/16 : Oath Ceremony done & Naturalization Certificate in hand.Proud citizen of USA

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Since you qualify under the 3 year or 5 year rules, you can apply using either, but the 5 year rule is easier.


For a review of each step of my N-400 naturalization process, from application to oath ceremony, please click here.

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Thank you JimmyHou. So I am understanding that I can go either by the 5 yr rule ( option1) or by the 3 yr rule ( option 2 ) . my queries are :

a) Does the 5 yr rule also means that you got GC from marriage with USC (I got my conditional GC in 2009, so it does make it over 5 years )

b) why do you state that the 5 yr rule is easier ?

c) regarding bills from bank/ utility services is it necessary to show bills from 2009 and bill from 2015 ?

d) reagrding the uppper question we did change residence in middle at 2011 and did file AR-11. would the difference of address in the old bill and new bill matter ?

Thanks and I would appreciate all replies I can get...This forum has saved our lives nin the past :thumbs:

. Thanks

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AOS
Married: June 9, 2008.
Visa expired : June 12, 2008
Filed for AOS . Sent through USPS Priority Express : March 03, 2009
Package Delieverd at USCIS: March 05, 2009
March 13, 2009 : Checks Cashed
March 13, 2009 : NOA 1 received on I-485, I-130, I-765. Dated March 11th, 09
March 17, 2009 : Biometrics Letter recieved (Dated 13th March). Interview on 1st week of April
April 2, 2009 : Biometrics done. Total time taken with wait 20 mins.
April 22, 2009 : Called USCIS. They have received fingerprints and work permit is in process.
May 7, 2009 : I-765 case online. Card Production ordered.
May 11,2009 : EAD card received.
May 12,2009 : Applied for SSN.
May 18,2009 : Received SS card.
June 08,2009 : Received Letter for Interview ( scheduled on July 14 th July )
July 14th : Great Interview. All done in 20 mins.
July 18th: Online status - Card Production ordered. Thank God !! I-130 online status : Pending
July 23rd : Welcome to USA & I-130 approval letter recieved. Online status still shows pending.
July 31st : Received conditional green card
Removing Condition
3/25/11 - Received reminder from USCIS to file for ROC
5/6/11 - Sent I-751 Packet to CSC via usps
5/9/11- Package delivered to csc.
5/11/11- Check cashed electronically by CSC
5/16/11- NOA 1 received
5/27/11 - Biometrics letter received.Scheduled on 06/06/11. Case Online
6/6/11 - Biometrics done
9/6/11 - Approved.Card Production Ordered
9/12/11- Card Received

Citizenship

10/13/15 : Sent N400

10/16/15 : NOA

11/13/15 : Fingerprints

11/17/15 : In Line for Interview

01/11/16 : Interview- Passed & Given Oath letter & Date by hand

01/14/16 : Oath Ceremony done & Naturalization Certificate in hand.Proud citizen of USA

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Thank you JimmyHou. So I am understanding that I can go either by the 5 yr rule ( option1) or by the 3 yr rule ( option 2 ) . my queries are :

a) Does the 5 yr rule also means that you got GC from marriage with USC (I got my conditional GC in 2009, so it does make it over 5 years )

b) why do you state that the 5 yr rule is easier ?

c) regarding bills from bank/ utility services is it necessary to show bills from 2009 and bill from 2015 ?

d) reagrding the uppper question we did change residence in middle at 2011 and did file AR-11. would the difference of address in the old bill and new bill matter ?

Thanks and I would appreciate all replies I can get...This forum has saved our lives nin the past :thumbs:

. Thanks

(a) The five year rule is for anyone who has been a permanent resident for 5 years regardless of how they got their green card. That is the standard application method. The 3 year rule is a special expedited naturalization method available to those who are married to USC citizens. The date that matters is the "Resident Since" date on your green card. If it is in 2009 then you could have applied under the 5 year rule in 2014.

(b) Under the 5 year rule you are applying under your own qualifications as a US PR for 5 years, not on your relationship with your spouse. In fact, you can be separated or divorced and still apply because your marriage has nothing to do with your application. You will not be required to supply evidence of a current relationship with your spouse. However, since you got your green card through marriage the interviewer may in some cases want to double check that you were in a legitimate relationship at the time you got your green card. Note that you will still need your marriage certificate.

© You wouldn't need any of this under the 5 year rule although as I said above you may need to show that you were with your spouse when you got your green card.

(d) People move all the time. Shouldn't matter, but again, you shouldn't need those bills under the 5 year rule because you don't need to prove that you are still married.


For a review of each step of my N-400 naturalization process, from application to oath ceremony, please click here.

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It seems like you want to ROC again, go with option 1 (5 years and get rid of joint evidences.) Good luck.


N400

12/06/2014: Package filed

12/31/2014: Fingerprinted

02/06/2015: In-Line for Interview

04/15/2015: Passed Interview

05/05/2015: Oath letter was sent

05/22/2015: Oath Ceremony

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Thanks JimmyHou & NancyNguyen. What specific proofs, do you think I should show, for stating that I was in a legitimate relationship at the time I got my green card - as you stated ? Is my list of evidences stated in my original post should be ok ?

Thnaks so much

Edited by christera22

AOS
Married: June 9, 2008.
Visa expired : June 12, 2008
Filed for AOS . Sent through USPS Priority Express : March 03, 2009
Package Delieverd at USCIS: March 05, 2009
March 13, 2009 : Checks Cashed
March 13, 2009 : NOA 1 received on I-485, I-130, I-765. Dated March 11th, 09
March 17, 2009 : Biometrics Letter recieved (Dated 13th March). Interview on 1st week of April
April 2, 2009 : Biometrics done. Total time taken with wait 20 mins.
April 22, 2009 : Called USCIS. They have received fingerprints and work permit is in process.
May 7, 2009 : I-765 case online. Card Production ordered.
May 11,2009 : EAD card received.
May 12,2009 : Applied for SSN.
May 18,2009 : Received SS card.
June 08,2009 : Received Letter for Interview ( scheduled on July 14 th July )
July 14th : Great Interview. All done in 20 mins.
July 18th: Online status - Card Production ordered. Thank God !! I-130 online status : Pending
July 23rd : Welcome to USA & I-130 approval letter recieved. Online status still shows pending.
July 31st : Received conditional green card
Removing Condition
3/25/11 - Received reminder from USCIS to file for ROC
5/6/11 - Sent I-751 Packet to CSC via usps
5/9/11- Package delivered to csc.
5/11/11- Check cashed electronically by CSC
5/16/11- NOA 1 received
5/27/11 - Biometrics letter received.Scheduled on 06/06/11. Case Online
6/6/11 - Biometrics done
9/6/11 - Approved.Card Production Ordered
9/12/11- Card Received

Citizenship

10/13/15 : Sent N400

10/16/15 : NOA

11/13/15 : Fingerprints

11/17/15 : In Line for Interview

01/11/16 : Interview- Passed & Given Oath letter & Date by hand

01/14/16 : Oath Ceremony done & Naturalization Certificate in hand.Proud citizen of USA

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Thanks JimmyHou & NancyNguyen. What specific proofs, do you think I should show, for stating that I was in a legitimate relationship at the time I got my green card - as you stated ? Is my list of evidences stated in my original post should be ok ?

Thnaks so much

Since you're applying under the 5 year rule, they are not likely to ask for anything other than your marriage certificate. If you've been living apart from your spouse, you mate want to take some if the things you listed to the interview just in case they are asked for. You won't need all the things you mentioned but if you have them available there's no harm in taking them with you.

Your spouse's divorce and marriage papers are important too. The fact that your husband has been married twice before (especially if the marriages were to immigrants) may raise some questions so it's a good idea to take some of the evidence you mentioned to the interview. Probably won't be needed.

Edited by JimmyHou

For a review of each step of my N-400 naturalization process, from application to oath ceremony, please click here.

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Thank you JummiHou. I am sending photocopies of my Indian passports as mentioned in the original post. Question is :

a) Do i need to photocopy all the pages with us visa stamps from 2007 & 2008 ? or just the address and name pages ?

b) I renewed passports...so do i need to photocopy both old & new passport ?

c) are these photocpies of documents need to be notarized ?

Thanks so much


AOS
Married: June 9, 2008.
Visa expired : June 12, 2008
Filed for AOS . Sent through USPS Priority Express : March 03, 2009
Package Delieverd at USCIS: March 05, 2009
March 13, 2009 : Checks Cashed
March 13, 2009 : NOA 1 received on I-485, I-130, I-765. Dated March 11th, 09
March 17, 2009 : Biometrics Letter recieved (Dated 13th March). Interview on 1st week of April
April 2, 2009 : Biometrics done. Total time taken with wait 20 mins.
April 22, 2009 : Called USCIS. They have received fingerprints and work permit is in process.
May 7, 2009 : I-765 case online. Card Production ordered.
May 11,2009 : EAD card received.
May 12,2009 : Applied for SSN.
May 18,2009 : Received SS card.
June 08,2009 : Received Letter for Interview ( scheduled on July 14 th July )
July 14th : Great Interview. All done in 20 mins.
July 18th: Online status - Card Production ordered. Thank God !! I-130 online status : Pending
July 23rd : Welcome to USA & I-130 approval letter recieved. Online status still shows pending.
July 31st : Received conditional green card
Removing Condition
3/25/11 - Received reminder from USCIS to file for ROC
5/6/11 - Sent I-751 Packet to CSC via usps
5/9/11- Package delivered to csc.
5/11/11- Check cashed electronically by CSC
5/16/11- NOA 1 received
5/27/11 - Biometrics letter received.Scheduled on 06/06/11. Case Online
6/6/11 - Biometrics done
9/6/11 - Approved.Card Production Ordered
9/12/11- Card Received

Citizenship

10/13/15 : Sent N400

10/16/15 : NOA

11/13/15 : Fingerprints

11/17/15 : In Line for Interview

01/11/16 : Interview- Passed & Given Oath letter & Date by hand

01/14/16 : Oath Ceremony done & Naturalization Certificate in hand.Proud citizen of USA

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Anyone regarding the passport question ?? Thanks


AOS
Married: June 9, 2008.
Visa expired : June 12, 2008
Filed for AOS . Sent through USPS Priority Express : March 03, 2009
Package Delieverd at USCIS: March 05, 2009
March 13, 2009 : Checks Cashed
March 13, 2009 : NOA 1 received on I-485, I-130, I-765. Dated March 11th, 09
March 17, 2009 : Biometrics Letter recieved (Dated 13th March). Interview on 1st week of April
April 2, 2009 : Biometrics done. Total time taken with wait 20 mins.
April 22, 2009 : Called USCIS. They have received fingerprints and work permit is in process.
May 7, 2009 : I-765 case online. Card Production ordered.
May 11,2009 : EAD card received.
May 12,2009 : Applied for SSN.
May 18,2009 : Received SS card.
June 08,2009 : Received Letter for Interview ( scheduled on July 14 th July )
July 14th : Great Interview. All done in 20 mins.
July 18th: Online status - Card Production ordered. Thank God !! I-130 online status : Pending
July 23rd : Welcome to USA & I-130 approval letter recieved. Online status still shows pending.
July 31st : Received conditional green card
Removing Condition
3/25/11 - Received reminder from USCIS to file for ROC
5/6/11 - Sent I-751 Packet to CSC via usps
5/9/11- Package delivered to csc.
5/11/11- Check cashed electronically by CSC
5/16/11- NOA 1 received
5/27/11 - Biometrics letter received.Scheduled on 06/06/11. Case Online
6/6/11 - Biometrics done
9/6/11 - Approved.Card Production Ordered
9/12/11- Card Received

Citizenship

10/13/15 : Sent N400

10/16/15 : NOA

11/13/15 : Fingerprints

11/17/15 : In Line for Interview

01/11/16 : Interview- Passed & Given Oath letter & Date by hand

01/14/16 : Oath Ceremony done & Naturalization Certificate in hand.Proud citizen of USA

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Thank you JummiHou. I am sending photocopies of my Indian passports as mentioned in the original post. Question is :

a) Do i need to photocopy all the pages with us visa stamps from 2007 & 2008 ? or just the address and name pages ?

b) I renewed passports...so do i need to photocopy both old & new passport ?

c) are these photocpies of documents need to be notarized ?

Thanks so much

a) Only the Address and name page of your passport is fine.

b) Your most recent passport would be best

c) No need to notarize. Only need to do that if it's specifically requested

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All passports you've used since you became a permanent resident.

Thanks.. Yes i plan to photocopy both passports...but did you photcopy the visa pages ? Thanks


AOS
Married: June 9, 2008.
Visa expired : June 12, 2008
Filed for AOS . Sent through USPS Priority Express : March 03, 2009
Package Delieverd at USCIS: March 05, 2009
March 13, 2009 : Checks Cashed
March 13, 2009 : NOA 1 received on I-485, I-130, I-765. Dated March 11th, 09
March 17, 2009 : Biometrics Letter recieved (Dated 13th March). Interview on 1st week of April
April 2, 2009 : Biometrics done. Total time taken with wait 20 mins.
April 22, 2009 : Called USCIS. They have received fingerprints and work permit is in process.
May 7, 2009 : I-765 case online. Card Production ordered.
May 11,2009 : EAD card received.
May 12,2009 : Applied for SSN.
May 18,2009 : Received SS card.
June 08,2009 : Received Letter for Interview ( scheduled on July 14 th July )
July 14th : Great Interview. All done in 20 mins.
July 18th: Online status - Card Production ordered. Thank God !! I-130 online status : Pending
July 23rd : Welcome to USA & I-130 approval letter recieved. Online status still shows pending.
July 31st : Received conditional green card
Removing Condition
3/25/11 - Received reminder from USCIS to file for ROC
5/6/11 - Sent I-751 Packet to CSC via usps
5/9/11- Package delivered to csc.
5/11/11- Check cashed electronically by CSC
5/16/11- NOA 1 received
5/27/11 - Biometrics letter received.Scheduled on 06/06/11. Case Online
6/6/11 - Biometrics done
9/6/11 - Approved.Card Production Ordered
9/12/11- Card Received

Citizenship

10/13/15 : Sent N400

10/16/15 : NOA

11/13/15 : Fingerprints

11/17/15 : In Line for Interview

01/11/16 : Interview- Passed & Given Oath letter & Date by hand

01/14/16 : Oath Ceremony done & Naturalization Certificate in hand.Proud citizen of USA

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Did anyone Photocopy the visa pages of the passport or just the name and address page ?
Thanks


AOS
Married: June 9, 2008.
Visa expired : June 12, 2008
Filed for AOS . Sent through USPS Priority Express : March 03, 2009
Package Delieverd at USCIS: March 05, 2009
March 13, 2009 : Checks Cashed
March 13, 2009 : NOA 1 received on I-485, I-130, I-765. Dated March 11th, 09
March 17, 2009 : Biometrics Letter recieved (Dated 13th March). Interview on 1st week of April
April 2, 2009 : Biometrics done. Total time taken with wait 20 mins.
April 22, 2009 : Called USCIS. They have received fingerprints and work permit is in process.
May 7, 2009 : I-765 case online. Card Production ordered.
May 11,2009 : EAD card received.
May 12,2009 : Applied for SSN.
May 18,2009 : Received SS card.
June 08,2009 : Received Letter for Interview ( scheduled on July 14 th July )
July 14th : Great Interview. All done in 20 mins.
July 18th: Online status - Card Production ordered. Thank God !! I-130 online status : Pending
July 23rd : Welcome to USA & I-130 approval letter recieved. Online status still shows pending.
July 31st : Received conditional green card
Removing Condition
3/25/11 - Received reminder from USCIS to file for ROC
5/6/11 - Sent I-751 Packet to CSC via usps
5/9/11- Package delivered to csc.
5/11/11- Check cashed electronically by CSC
5/16/11- NOA 1 received
5/27/11 - Biometrics letter received.Scheduled on 06/06/11. Case Online
6/6/11 - Biometrics done
9/6/11 - Approved.Card Production Ordered
9/12/11- Card Received

Citizenship

10/13/15 : Sent N400

10/16/15 : NOA

11/13/15 : Fingerprints

11/17/15 : In Line for Interview

01/11/16 : Interview- Passed & Given Oath letter & Date by hand

01/14/16 : Oath Ceremony done & Naturalization Certificate in hand.Proud citizen of USA

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No one seems to be answering. You asked the question about photocopying the visa pages six days ago You could have easily just photocopied all the visa pages and included them in the application by now. If USCIS doesn't want them they'll just toss them in the shredder.


For a review of each step of my N-400 naturalization process, from application to oath ceremony, please click here.

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