16,617 - the number of gun violence incidents just this year

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I'm saying your op isn't clear and is probably including them given they state suicide as a possible occurrence.

They include murder/suicide but not suicides. The toll would be much higher if those were included.

[Sousuke 1,214]

Ok I did just read this - The two exceptions to the near real-time collection are suicides by gun which are collected quarterly and annually due to differing distribution methods by government agencies and armed robberies which are collected in aggregate with law enforcement quarterly and annual reports. They are a lagging index, rather than near real time.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

So the police shot 1520 black men?

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[Janelle2002 3,865]

Why not? 12,000/318,000,000 is .00003 of the population. When you remove suicides and defensive use (including police) that number would drop by at least 1/3

Why should suicide be removed? Isn't this an act of violence committed with a gun?

Defensive use is still an act of violence committed with a gun, yes?

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Why should suicide be removed? Isn't this an act of violence committed with a gun?

Defensive use is still an act of violence committed with a gun, yes?

I'm going to say that to most people, this wouldn't count since it was used to save a life or stop a crime from being committed.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

I'm going to say that to most people, this wouldn't count since it was used to save a life or stop a crime from being committed.

So you think Zimmerman should count? Ferguson? Or how about the police officer who shot the guy who he "claimed" was going for his taser and later on it proved he wasn't?

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

So you think Zimmerman should count? Ferguson? Or how about the police officer who shot the guy who he "claimed" was going for his taser and later on it proved he wasn't?

Who you talking to? You can't be talking to me like this. Did you hit your head this morning? Someone needs to check your vital signs or something.

[GandD 5,966]

So the police shot 1520 black men?

Thanks captain obvious.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

Who you talking to? You can't be talking to me like this. Did you hit your head this morning? Someone needs to check your vital signs or something.

Just saying. Zimmerman and Ferguson are both counted under self defense, yes?

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Just saying. Zimmerman and Ferguson are both counted under self defense, yes?

Couldn't tell you. I would file Brown under Police shooting. But Zimmerman would have to go under self defense, no matter what I feel about it...

[Janelle2002 3,865]

Couldn't tell you. I would file Brown under Police shooting. But Zimmerman would have to go under self defense, no matter what I feel about it...

So again, I ask, should self defense not be counted?

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

So again, I ask, should self defense not be counted?

It should be if a life is taken.

[Ban Hammer 12,829]

Just saying. Zimmerman and Ferguson are both counted under self defense, yes?

yes.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

It should be if a life is taken.

yes.

[Teddy B 17,251]

Thanks captain obvious.

Here in Mass he's known as Capt Oblivious.