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I've seen several threads on the subject or variations thereof be closed because people highjack them and start speculating and making veiled accusations. I'd rather see off topic posts deleted and their posters subjected to admin action instead of closing the entire thread, which in the end provides a deservice to the OP.


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I have tried reporting such posts in the past, nothing was done.

The uninformed are mainly new members.


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I doubt it, this has been an issue since I first joined.


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I have tried reporting such posts in the past, nothing was done.

The uninformed are mainly new members.

I'll admit that when I first joined I was one of the 'uninformed'.

Even though I personally disagree with the AoS procedure and think it's far too open to abuse I think I'm grown up enough to accept that I was wrong and that while it's not a just system, it is legal.

I would be curious to know however. For all of the threads where people ask for advice on how to fraudulently enter the US with intent to adjust that are rightly locked by the mods. How many of those people then get private messages from members telling them exactly how to defraud the system.


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Certainly true that it is a much bigger issue on VJ that it is with US Gov.

More seemingly due to the wait in line than anything else.

PMs are private so not an issue for VJ. Better if on thread so errors can be pointed out.


“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

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Amen to that, but in the end, the [broken] laws are what they are and we must presume that everyone here is acting in good faith until proven contrary, and in the cases where nefarious intent is disclosed, the best we can do it give advice to the contrary and let each person choose their own path.

As participants of a public forum, we can't presume to act as police or dispensers of justice. People will do what they want to do and they have to live with the consequences of their choices. It's up to the USCIS to vet their cases individually. We can only steer them in the right direction and if you can help one single person navigate the immigration maze with a little less anxiety or hindrance, then you've accomplished your goal.

I'll admit that when I first joined I was one of the 'uninformed'.
Even though I personally disagree with the AoS procedure and think it's far too open to abuse I think I'm grown up enough to accept that I was wrong and that while it's not a just system, it is legal.

I would be curious to know however. For all of the threads where people ask for advice on how to fraudulently enter the US with intent to adjust that are rightly locked by the mods. How many of those people then get private messages from members telling them exactly how to defraud the system.


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Amen to that, but in the end, the [broken] laws are what they are and we must presume that everyone here is acting in good faith until proven contrary, and in the cases where nefarious intent is disclosed, the best we can do it give advice to the contrary and let each person choose their own path.

As participants of a public forum, we can't presume to act as police or dispensers of justice. People will do what they want to do and they have to live with the consequences of their choices. It's up to the USCIS to vet their cases individually. We can only steer them in the right direction and if you can help one single person navigate the immigration maze with a little less anxiety or hindrance, then you've accomplished your goal.

Shouldn't this be like the CEHST forum where people are guilty until proven innocent? Or at least they are if they aren't a white Chrisitan?


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This is a difficult area to mod, because it can be a grey area, depending on intent.

To walk the line, modding wise, between allowing people a say (even if they disagree with the Op), and pointing out what could be illegal intent/ miss-use of a tourist visa, and helping those who genuinely have cause to AOS can be hard, and those reports are often debated muchly amongst the mods before we moderate the thread (or not moderate, as the case may be). What usually happens is that some posts are removed and maybe an in-thread warning to cool it given, or a verbal warning to the worst offenders in a thread(ie a note on their profiel, but without a suspension unless they seriously breached the TOS), and if that does not stop the bickering, we close the thread- especially as the link to our Guide, which answers many of the questions asked- is usually posted in one of the first few replies.


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This is a difficult area to mod, because it can be a grey area, depending on intent.

To walk the line, modding wise, between allowing people a say (even if they disagree with the Op), and pointing out what could be illegal intent/ miss-use of a tourist visa, and helping those who genuinely have cause to AOS can be hard, and those reports are often debated muchly amongst the mods before we moderate the thread (or not moderate, as the case may be). What usually happens is that some posts are removed and maybe an in-thread warning to cool it given, or a verbal warning to the worst offenders in a thread(ie a note on their profiel, but without a suspension unless they seriously breached the TOS), and if that does not stop the bickering, we close the thread- especially as the link to our Guide, which answers many of the questions asked- is usually posted in one of the first few replies.

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I think it's a very difficult area to mod or judge. The law allows it if it was not the intent, yet intent is easy to disguise in many cases. Some people are honest about it, others aren't. It is hard to prove intent.


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