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#1 Blublod

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 09:18 AM

Okay people, its the most asked AOS question.


Whats the situation on this civil surgeon issue, i have my DS-3025 worksheet and according to what i have seen and dreamt no one has a definite answer to this problem
some say you dont have to send in an I-693 if you did the medical abroad - i did and have all my vaccinations. All you need is to send the I-485 in and the paper work will be in the
sacred scrolls(Brown do not open envelope) at the POE.

I called USCIS and the lady there says the DS-3025 is a US dept of state document, and the I-693 a USCIS doc. Now i believe the USCIS and US dept of State are in the same USA
Unless they transcribe it to aramic when you get here i really am at a loss.

My take in all this is , sending the AOS without an I-693 is a gamble. If am gonna pay more money to have it put in another document/language then it does not matter if its done after
an RFE or not, i still pay the surgeon right?

In the present situation with immigration causing an uproar a la Arizona and another fee hike in the works i rather have my application at USCIS before something unthinkable happens.

Ewok i know you have a detailed answers about this but when you call USCIS the situation is very different.

All informed responses are well come.

I rest my case

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#2 payxibka

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 09:55 AM

The DS-2053 (medical) and DS-3025 (vaccinations) are accepted by the USCIS IF they were included in the POE packet and for the DS-2053 less than one year old and for the Ds-3025 is complete.
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#3 Blublod

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 10:20 AM

The DS-2053 (medical) and DS-3025 (vaccinations) are accepted by the USCIS IF they were included in the POE packet and for the DS-2053 less than one year old and for the Ds-3025 is complete.


I have my DS-3025 original.does this mean its not in the POE packet or a photocopy is in the packet. cos if a copy was made then i guess i can go ahead and send the AOS application
BTW my DS-3025 is complete as in i have no pending shots to take, it says i may be eligible for a blanket waiver(s) because vaccination(s) not medically appropriate (as indicated above).
As indicated above showing all checked off vaccination(s) taken.

Will add a copy of the DS-3025 just in case as i send in AOS

Thanks
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#4 ATLR

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 10:39 AM

I have my check up done and DS-3025 all filled up nicely by the appointed surgeon in Singapore in November 2009 so it is still within the valid 1 year time frame. But to reduce any potential RFE, when I filed for my AOS, I still went on to file the I-693. Because in the USCIS website it's clearly state that 'Even if a new medical examination is not required, you still must show proof that you complied with the vaccination requirements. If the vaccination record (DS-3025) was not properly completed and included as part of the original, overseas medical examination report, you will have to have the vaccination report completed by a designated civil surgeon. In this case you are required to submit Part 1, Information about you, Part 2, the vaccination chart and Part 5, Civil Surgeon's certification, of Form I-693.'

There are people who have their medical record lost during their AOS process and USCIS does not bother to take full responsibility for it. So to save the stress of a RFE, potential missing of your medical records, IMHO, just get on with the I-693. Get a appointed civil surgeon at your area and have him/her to just transcribe your DS-3025 record into I-693. You may need to spend a little more time finding a HONEST surgeon who doesn't rip you off. There are surgeons who still demand that you do a full medical examination when you don't even need it.

Edited by ATLR, 11 June 2010 - 10:39 AM.

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#5 Blublod

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 01:20 PM

I have my check up done and DS-3025 all filled up nicely by the appointed surgeon in Singapore in November 2009 so it is still within the valid 1 year time frame. But to reduce any potential RFE, when I filed for my AOS, I still went on to file the I-693. Because in the USCIS website it's clearly state that 'Even if a new medical examination is not required, you still must show proof that you complied with the vaccination requirements. If the vaccination record (DS-3025) was not properly completed and included as part of the original, overseas medical examination report, you will have to have the vaccination report completed by a designated civil surgeon. In this case you are required to submit Part 1, Information about you, Part 2, the vaccination chart and Part 5, Civil Surgeon's certification, of Form I-693.'

There are people who have their medical record lost during their AOS process and USCIS does not bother to take full responsibility for it. So to save the stress of a RFE, potential missing of your medical records, IMHO, just get on with the I-693. Get a appointed civil surgeon at your area and have him/her to just transcribe your DS-3025 record into I-693. You may need to spend a little more time finding a HONEST surgeon who doesn't rip you off. There are surgeons who still demand that you do a full medical examination when you don't even need it.


Thanks a million , i did call up a civil surgeon an they charge $75 to transcribe your records, made an appointment for the 22nd. my I-94 expires on the 06/28/2010.
one more thing in your I-765 did you request a new EAD or renewal? when i called to ask USCIS because of the obvious expiration of the I-94 soon the lady tells me she
cant tell cos of reliability, how the dickens is that helpful or answer the question?Posted Image
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#6 ATLR

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 02:08 PM

Thanks a million , i did call up a civil surgeon an they charge $75 to transcribe your records, made an appointment for the 22nd. my I-94 expires on the 06/28/2010.
one more thing in your I-765 did you request a new EAD or renewal? when i called to ask USCIS because of the obvious expiration of the I-94 soon the lady tells me she
cant tell cos of reliability, how the dickens is that helpful or answer the question?Posted Image


Once your I-94 expires, it is illegal for you to work. You can apply the EAD (I-765) and AP (I-131) together with your I-485 (AOS), in 1 combine cost of US$1010.00 (may increase in July. Price hikes). It usually take about 2-3 months to get your EAD approve.
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Posted 11 June 2010 - 03:36 PM

Thanks a million , i did call up a civil surgeon an they charge $75 to transcribe your records, made an appointment for the 22nd. my I-94 expires on the 06/28/2010.
one more thing in your I-765 did you request a new EAD or renewal? when i called to ask USCIS because of the obvious expiration of the I-94 soon the lady tells me she
cant tell cos of reliability, how the dickens is that helpful or answer the question?Posted Image



If you have your original vaccination sheet that shows all the vaccinations were completed then make a copy and send that with your AOS packet. I did so, and up until now, I haven't gotten a RFE. I have my interview next Thursday. The letter says (like all letters as they are all the same) to submit a form i693 unless already submitted. Well I have submitted, I paid big bucks in Italy for my med exam, I still have a copy of the chest xrays and of the receipt of the money I paid. So NO, I am not going to pay more money for a mistake on their side (because either they lost it or are too lazy to locate) until I get an official RFE. I followed the rules to a T, I took my medical, went to my K1 interview, surrended the sealed envelope to POE. I refuse to do more- at least until it is absolutely necessary.

So, it is up to you at this point. I would keep the name of the CS and schedule an appointment right away IF you get a RFE.


This is just my opinion, so far it worked for me and if they ask for more at the interview well, I have EAD and AP already so I don't care waiting for the Green Card if I get a last minute RFE.
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Posted 11 June 2010 - 03:42 PM

'Even if a new medical examination is not required, you still must show proof that you complied with the vaccination requirements. If the vaccination record (DS-3025) was not properly completed and included as part of the original, overseas medical examination report, you will have to have the vaccination report completed by a designated civil surgeon. In this case you are required to submit Part 1, Information about you, Part 2, the vaccination chart and Part 5, Civil Surgeon's certification, of Form I-693.'

It clearly states that if the DS-3035 IS properly completed than no 1-693 is necessary. This was my case for example , and it looks like your case too, as well as the OP's
Obviously, they will never say "We might lose your records so make sure you go to a CS anyways". A person in my March filers forum went to his AOS interview and they said they had not received their file and they had to reschedule. I am not going to think that is the case ALL the time. Same with the medical. I trust the guy at POE to do his job and USCIS too, since I pay $1010 for them to do it. Sometimes they screw up, sometimes they don't. I am going to hope they won't screw up with my file and (hopefully) save some money.
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#9 ATLR

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 04:38 PM

It clearly states that if the DS-3035 IS properly completed than no 1-693 is necessary. This was my case for example , and it looks like your case too, as well as the OP's
Obviously, they will never say "We might lose your records so make sure you go to a CS anyways". A person in my March filers forum went to his AOS interview and they said they had not received their file and they had to reschedule. I am not going to think that is the case ALL the time. Same with the medical. I trust the guy at POE to do his job and USCIS too, since I pay $1010 for them to do it. Sometimes they screw up, sometimes they don't. I am going to hope they won't screw up with my file and (hopefully) save some money.


Yes, Vivi6 is right also. Just that for my situation, even though all my medical record were complete, less than a year, I was given copies of my medical record and all that, but I am towards the conservative side. If it helps to make things easier for USCIS, I will just do whatever it takes to have everything go smoothly because there are people being fired with unnecessary RFE for this. So its all up to you, to do or not to do :yes:
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#10 Blublod

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 10:23 PM

[quote vi6 is right also. Just that for my situation, even though all my medical record were complete, less than a year, I was given copies of my medical record and all that, but I am towards the conservative side. If it helps to make things easier for USCIS, I will just do whatever it takes to have everything go smoothly because there are people being fired with unnecessary RFE for this. So its all up to you, to do or not to do :yes:
[/quote]

Thanks ATLR and Vivi6, and everyone else. okay one more question(vivi6) when you filled out AP did you give a reason on a separate sheet or did you just send it in.
why this issue really annoys me is the finance issue, i don't have a job yet and literally down to my last buck.
No matter how much you save its just never enough.




[quote vi6 is right also. Just that for my situation, even though all my medical record were complete, less than a year, I was given copies of my medical record and all that, but I am towards the conservative side. If it helps to make things easier for USCIS, I will just do whatever it takes to have everything go smoothly because there are people being fired with unnecessary RFE for this. So its all up to you, to do or not to do :yes:
[/quote]

Thanks ATLR and Vivi6, and everyone else. okay one more question(vivi6) when you filled out AP did you give a reason on a separate sheet or did you just send it in.
why this issue really annoys me is the finance issue, i don't have a job yet and literally down to my last buck.
No matter how much you save its just never enough.



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