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Social Security Card (SSN) DHS authorization

#1 tlnt

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 09:50 AM

Hi.

We have our GC now and have a SSN card that states:
VALID FOR WORK ONLY WITH DHS AUTHORIZATION

We're thinking of stopping by the SS office to get a card w/o restriction.
Reading comments here such as:
http://www.visajourn...howtopic=237114

Seems it would be a good idea to have an unrestricted card. Also read comment to not give up your old card while waiting for the new one.

However, a friend commented to us and also online (can't vouch how accurate this site is but):
http://consumer-law....ity-Number.html
"If you need to replace your Social Security card, you can do so free of charge. You are entitled to three replacement cards a year with a maximum of 10 during your lifetime. Changes in your legal status, such as a name change, do not count towards your allowed number of replacements. If you exceed your allowed number of replacement cards, you still might be able to get a replacement card if you can show that you will face a significant hardship without one. The replacement card will show your existing Social Security number."

The question is: does removing restrictions on the SSC after receiving a greencard count as one of the 10 life time max? Or should one just wait til after citizenship?
thanks
tlnnt
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#2 Otto

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 09:55 AM

The question is: does removing restrictions on the SSC after receiving a greencard count as one of the 10 life time max?

No, it does not count. :thumbs:
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#3 HeatDeath

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 05:14 PM

No, it does not count. Reason being that adjusting from nonimmigrant to permanent resident status counts as a "change in legal status", as you mentioned above, and therefore does not count toward your lifetime limit.

It's also a good idea to let them know when you (eventually, maybe) become a citizen as well, but they probably won't give you a new card for that, because it wouldn't look any different. You don't need to tell them when you get your 10 year green card, as your status to them (permanent resident) will remain unchanged.

Edited by HeatDeath, 30 January 2010 - 05:15 PM.

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#4 Gary and Alla

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 09:52 PM

Hi.

We have our GC now and have a SSN card that states:
VALID FOR WORK ONLY WITH DHS AUTHORIZATION

We're thinking of stopping by the SS office to get a card w/o restriction.
Reading comments here such as:
http://www.visajourn...howtopic=237114

Seems it would be a good idea to have an unrestricted card. Also read comment to not give up your old card while waiting for the new one.

However, a friend commented to us and also online (can't vouch how accurate this site is but):
http://consumer-law....ity-Number.html
"If you need to replace your Social Security card, you can do so free of charge. You are entitled to three replacement cards a year with a maximum of 10 during your lifetime. Changes in your legal status, such as a name change, do not count towards your allowed number of replacements. If you exceed your allowed number of replacement cards, you still might be able to get a replacement card if you can show that you will face a significant hardship without one. The replacement card will show your existing Social Security number."

The question is: does removing restrictions on the SSC after receiving a greencard count as one of the 10 life time max? Or should one just wait til after citizenship?
thanks
tlnnt



You have DHS authorization. Put the SS card in the bottom of your sock drawer and forget it. You will never need it. memorize the number and show the Green card to get a job. The SS card does not authorize work, even for a citizen, it doesn't matter what it says on the card.

I lost my SS card 35 years ago and haven't needed it since.
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#5 Kathryn41

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Posted 30 January 2010 - 11:21 PM

Actually, you do get a new SSN card when you become a citizen and it does look different than the one you have as a Permanent Resident. Yes, you should update your status with SSA and get an unrestricted SSN card. Then, when you become a citizen you update your status again and you get another updated card.
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#6 HeatDeath

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Posted 31 January 2010 - 01:45 AM

Actually, you do get a new SSN card when you become a citizen and it does look different than the one you have as a Permanent Resident.

Really? Cool! What does the citizen version look like? My nonimmigrant and permanent resident SSCs are printed on identical blank cardstock, except that the printing on the permanent resident one is in a different font. The nonimmigrant one is that very old squarish line-printer font, while the PR version font is more rounded and has serifs.
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#7 Krikit

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Posted 31 January 2010 - 07:39 AM

Moving from AOS to SSN section.
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#8 I'm Gone

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Posted 31 January 2010 - 10:24 AM

Actually, you do get a new SSN card when you become a citizen and it does look different than the one you have as a Permanent Resident. Yes, you should update your status with SSA and get an unrestricted SSN card. Then, when you become a citizen you update your status again and you get another updated card.


Permanent residents and U.S. citizens are issued the same type of unrestricted SSN card. Just that when you become a U.S. citizen you need to let SSA know so that the "CSP" code on your SSN record can be update to an "A". This establishes you as a U.S. citizen as far as SSA is concerned.

As have said over and over when you apply to get an unrestricted SSN card or to establish U.S. citizenship DO NOT DO NOT let them take your old SSN card until you get the new one. Say the dog ate. LOL
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#9 I'm Gone

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Posted 31 January 2010 - 10:31 AM

Really? Cool! What does the citizen version look like? My non immigrant and permanent resident SSCs are printed on identical blank card stock, except that the printing on the permanent resident one is in a different font. The non immigrant one is that very old squarish line-printer font, while the PR version font is more rounded and has serifs.


The printing could be different due to you having two different versions of the SSN card. SSA has issued 50 versions of the SSN card.

RM 00201.065 Social Security Number (SSN) Card History
https://secure.ssa.g.../lnx/0100201065

Your Social Security Number And Card
http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/10002.html

We issue three types of Social Security cards. All cards show your name and Social Security number.
The first type of card shows your name and Social Security number and lets you work without restriction. We issue it to:

--U.S. citizens; and people lawfully admitted to the United States on a permanent basis.

The second type of card shows your name and number and notes, VALID FOR WORK ONLY WITH DHS AUTHORIZATION. We issue this type of card to people lawfully admitted to the United States on a temporary basis who have DHS authorization to work.

The third type of card shows your name and number and notes, NOT VALID FOR EMPLOYMENT. We issue it to people from other countries:

-- Who are lawfully admitted to the United States without work authorization from DHS, but with a valid nonwork reason for needing a Social Security number; or who need a number because of a federal law requiring a Social Security number to get a benefit or service.
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#10 I'm Gone

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Posted 31 January 2010 - 10:44 AM

You have DHS authorization. Put the SS card in the bottom of your sock drawer and forget it. You will never need it. memorize the number and show the Green card to get a job. The SS card does not authorize work, even for a citizen, it doesn't matter what it says on the card.

I lost my SS card 35 years ago and haven't needed it since.


There are tax laws in addition to immigration laws that involve the SSN,

Title 26 Part 31 Sec. 31.6011( B )-2 Employees' account numbers.

(ii) On or after November 1, 1962. Every employee who on any day after October 31, 1962, is in employment for wages which are subject to the taxes imposed by the Federal Insurance Contributions Act or which are subject to the withholding of income tax from wages under section 3402 but who prior to such day has neither secured an account number nor made application therefore, shall make an application on Form SS-5 for an
account number.

(i) Employee who has account number card. If the employee has been issued an account number card by the Social Security Administration and has the card available, the employee shall show it to the employer.

(2) Additional information to be furnished by employee to employer. Every employee who, on the day on which he is required to comply with paragraph ( B )(1)(i), (ii), (iii), or (iv) of this section, has an account number card but for any reason does not show such card to the employer on such day shall promptly thereafter show the card to the employer. An employee who does not have an account number card on such day shall, upon receipt of an account number card from the Social Security Administration, promptly show such card to the employer, if he is still in the employ of that employer.

Edited by I Quit, 31 January 2010 - 10:44 AM.

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#11 I'm Gone

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Posted 31 January 2010 - 10:49 AM

RM 10205.400 Limits on Replacement SSN Cards
https://secure.ssa.g.../lnx/0110205400

B. SSN cards not counted in determining limits

In determining when an individual has met the yearly or lifetime limits, do not count replacement cards issued for:

-- Original SSN cards;
-- A legal name change (i.e., first name or surname);
-- The addition, change, or removal of a restrictive legend (i.e., Valid for Work Only with DHS Authorization or
Not Valid for Employment);
-- SSN cards issued prior to 12/17/2005;
-- Enumeration at birth (EAB) records; or
-- Numident updates when the SSN card is suppressed.
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