Can a post-op transsexual get a fiance visa?

[DainandVicky 4]

How about bringing her on a student visa? Probably easier than work visa?

That would work if you trust her enough to set up a large savings account in her name (only) to cover tuition, room and board, and books, and incidentals.

[rsn 135]

Yeah, check out the Miss Tiffany's show. It's well worth the 800 baht or whatever, just as good as Vegas, and who cares they used to be men.

I was watching the Tiffany's show on TV last time my wife and I were in Thailand & I mentioned how good the "women" looked. I had no idea until my wife told me. True story.

Edited January 21, 2010 by rsn

[Darnell 8,478]

Ok, now that I've vented my frustrations against DianandVicky, I need clarification:

Which jurisdiction needs to recognize her legal gender as "female?" Her home country, or my American state?

Or, is it both?

I would suggest to you, that soon, it won't matter.

The wording on the new immigration bill is changing for family and fiance visas, to remove 'male / female' and replace it with 'partner'.

If the new immigration bill makes it through both the house and senate, unchanged for THIS WORDING, then it will open up a new can of worms, per.se., about 'who is allowed to be a partner' - and if you reside in a state that ALLOWS same-sex marriages - you can PETITION for your partner.

Currently, and IMO (to answer your question)

She'll need to have some legal document from the PI that states she is a woman. That one document, should be sufficient for the US Government (Currently, btw).

Good Luck !

[pushbrk 12,106]

I would suggest to you, that soon, it won't matter.

The wording on the new immigration bill is changing for family and fiance visas, to remove 'male / female' and replace it with 'partner'.

If the new immigration bill makes it through both the house and senate, unchanged for THIS WORDING, then it will open up a new can of worms, per.se., about 'who is allowed to be a partner' - and if you reside in a state that ALLOWS same-sex marriages - you can PETITION for your partner.

Currently, and IMO (to answer your question)

She'll need to have some legal document from the PI that states she is a woman. That one document, should be sufficient for the US Government (Currently, btw).

Good Luck !

Without getting too political, the conventional wisdom in Washington since last night is that immigration reform is dead for at least the next couple years, so not only is it an issue of whether the language is changed but whether any language gets through the process at all.

[stebbinsd 0]

Wouldn't that mean I'd have to pay her tuition?

I can pay her minimum wage for a JOB, but tuition is expensive out the yin-yang.

[leith@Ievgeniia 8]

it seems to me that both countries will see her as a him, so in usa only 2 maybe 3 states reconigize same sex marrige, so you wold have to have domestic partner,

as far as getting a workers visa. and paying min wages??!!! that is a joke, you can hire anybody in usa for such pay!! will never happen, that visa is like for doc, or computer engineer,

so to me you have few options, 1 pay univ. 2 move to place that does not care about such live choice, move there, or last move on and not worry about marrying a man in gov'ts eyes

and by the way. in many of your posts you have huge attitude, your asking for help so i would suggest drop the attitude or nobody will take u serious and not give proper advice,

remember this is a live style choice. your not trying to bring in a "female to marry" in all eyes and on all paperwork your bringing in a male to "marry" you can get mad upset or anything like that. but really this is a life style choice and if you want you can have. but you might have to move to place that will not care and let u have. but as of today usa and phillip will not see it as you and she sees it.

good luck very differnt topic though

[Darnell 8,478]

Wouldn't that mean I'd have to pay her tuition?

I can pay her minimum wage for a JOB, but tuition is expensive out the yin-yang.

ya - you'd be paying 'foreign student rates', also. at least for the first year on that F-1 visa.

Without getting too political, the conventional wisdom in Washington since last night is that immigration reform is dead for at least the next couple years, so not only is it an issue of whether the language is changed but whether any language gets through the process at all.

oh. double oh. did the bills die a horrible death last night? I'll have to check-in, see what's up thanks for the heads up, though !

[sciencenerd 56]

Contact Immigration Equality (www.immigrationequality.org). If she is post-op, you can legally marry her in most states (you listed the ones that won't work). She will need a surgeon's letter and any ID she can get that identifies her as female. It's not an automatic denial if the Philippines won't recognize her as female - the location of the marriage is what is important. If you get married in a state that recognizes a change in sex (almost all states do), the marriage can be considered legally heterosexual and therefore valid for immigration. Do not get married if you're in a state that will not recognize you as a male-female couple. Do not get into a same-sex marriage or domestic partnership - immigration does not recognize these regardless of if the state does. I've copied and pasted a story of a similar circumstance, but the transgender person was female-to-male. He was from a country that did not recognize his change in gender, but they were able to have their marriage recognized by immigration. Do no try this without a lawyer who has some experience (Immigration Equality can refer you). Good luck!

Immigration Equality Keeps Transgender Married Couple Together

Immigration Equality’s legal team recently won a victory on behalf of a married couple who turned to us for help after U.S. Immigration and Customs Services learned the husband was assigned a female gender at birth.

William Chen is a naturalized U.S. citizen who was born in Hong Kong. Nine years ago, he began to transition from female to male. About one year later, William met his future wife, Mai Tsong, at a friend’s party. The two began to date and fell in love. Early in their relationship, William explained to Mai that he was a transgender man, and she was very supportive. In the Spring of 2008, Mai traveled to the United States to visit William and his family. One night during her visit, William realized that he wanted to be with Mai forever and proposed on the spot -- at a karaoke bar. Within a month, the two had a small ceremony with friends and relatives, and Mai applied for permanent residence in the United States .

At a marriage interview with USICS, however, an immigration officer noticed that William’s birth certificate listed his gender as female. The interview was immediately terminated, and the couple were referred to a different office for a more stringent second interview. William and Mai turned to Immigration Equality for help, and our legal team submitted substantial evidence proving the validity of their opposite-sex marriage. Immigration Equality attorneys represented the couple at their immigration proceeding -- and this month, Mai received her green card. She and William will remain together thanks to Immigration Equality’s intervention on their behalf.

[SuperDuper! 230]

Some people know Darn too much about this topic!

[stebbinsd 0]

Contact Immigration Equality (www.immigrationequality.org). If she is post-op, you can legally marry her in most states (you listed the ones that won't work). She will need a surgeon's letter and any ID she can get that identifies her as female. It's not an automatic denial if the Philippines won't recognize her as female - the location of the marriage is what is important. If you get married in a state that recognizes a change in sex (almost all states do), the marriage can be considered legally heterosexual and therefore valid for immigration. Do not get married if you're in a state that will not recognize you as a male-female couple. Do not get into a same-sex marriage or domestic partnership - immigration does not recognize these regardless of if the state does. I've copied and pasted a story of a similar circumstance, but the transgender person was female-to-male. He was from a country that did not recognize his change in gender, but they were able to have their marriage recognized by immigration. Do no try this without a lawyer who has some experience (Immigration Equality can refer you). Good luck!

Immigration Equality Keeps Transgender Married Couple Together

Immigration Equality’s legal team recently won a victory on behalf of a married couple who turned to us for help after U.S. Immigration and Customs Services learned the husband was assigned a female gender at birth.

William Chen is a naturalized U.S. citizen who was born in Hong Kong. Nine years ago, he began to transition from female to male. About one year later, William met his future wife, Mai Tsong, at a friend’s party. The two began to date and fell in love. Early in their relationship, William explained to Mai that he was a transgender man, and she was very supportive. In the Spring of 2008, Mai traveled to the United States to visit William and his family. One night during her visit, William realized that he wanted to be with Mai forever and proposed on the spot -- at a karaoke bar. Within a month, the two had a small ceremony with friends and relatives, and Mai applied for permanent residence in the United States .

At a marriage interview with USICS, however, an immigration officer noticed that William’s birth certificate listed his gender as female. The interview was immediately terminated, and the couple were referred to a different office for a more stringent second interview. William and Mai turned to Immigration Equality for help, and our legal team submitted substantial evidence proving the validity of their opposite-sex marriage. Immigration Equality attorneys represented the couple at their immigration proceeding -- and this month, Mai received her green card. She and William will remain together thanks to Immigration Equality’s intervention on their behalf.

What states can I choose from?

Or, rather, what states should I avoid?

Whichever list is shorter, for your convenience.

[baron555 934]

Like I said, we'll have a one night stand before I make a permanent decision

Glad to hear you are covering all the bases to ensure you really are in love with this person.

Good luck.

[Tahoma 2,291]

Glad to hear you are covering all the bases to ensure you really are in love with this person.

Good luck.

Just...

I enjoyed your sarcasm, baron555. I was wondering if anyone else caught that one. Could the OP be any more shallow?

[ZansGirl 0]

QUOTE (stebbinsd @ Jan 20 2010, 03:00 PM)

Like I said, we'll have a one night stand before I make a permanent decision

QUOTE (baron555 @ Jan 21 2010, 06:00 AM)

Glad to hear you are covering all the bases to ensure you really are in love with this person.

Good luck.

Just...

I enjoyed your sarcasm, baron555. I was wondering if anyone else caught that one. Could the OP be any more shallow?

things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmm

Edited January 26, 2010 by ZansGirl

[Darnell 8,478]

This lady is available - http://houston.craigslist.org/w4m/1572561651.html

Perhaps is time to expand one's horizons?