bora bora
Nov 25 2007, 03:44 PM
From Wikipedia:
The term
race refers to the concept of dividing people into
populations or
groups on the basis of various sets of characteristics and beliefs about common ancestry.
[1] The most widely used human racial
categories are based on visible
traits (especially
skin color,
facial features and hair texture), and self-identification.
[2]Conceptions of race, as well as specific ways of
grouping races, vary by culture and over time, and are often
controversial for scientific as well as
social and
political reasons. The controversy ultimately revolves around whether or not races are natural types or socially constructed, and the degree to which observed differences in ability and achievement, categorized on the basis of race, are a product of inherited (i.e. genetic) traits or environmental, social and cultural factors.
Some argue that although "race" is a valid
taxonomic concept in other species, it cannot be applied to humans.
[3] Many scientists have argued that race definitions are imprecise, arbitrary, derived from
custom, have many exceptions, have many gradations, and that the numbers of races delineated vary according to the culture making the racial distinctions; thus they reject the notion that any definition of race pertaining to humans can have taxonomic rigour and validity.
[4] Today most scientists study human genotypic and phenotypic variation using concepts such as "population" and "
clinal gradation". Many anthropologists contend that while the features on which racial categorizations are made may be based on genetic factors, the idea of race itself, and actual divisions of persons into groups based on selected hereditary features, are
social constructs.
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*Marilyn*
Nov 25 2007, 03:45 PM
my ancestors are mainly from Europe and hubby's are from Mexico...
raymaga
Nov 25 2007, 04:11 PM
Both our ancestors are from Germany or Hungary originally, with many generations afterwards in Canada or the U.S.
krakatoa
Nov 25 2007, 04:23 PM
Husband's roots are Scottish, Irish, German, Sicilian and English. I, on the other hand, have Spanish, Chinese, Malay blood in me.
Mister Fancypants
Nov 25 2007, 04:32 PM
We both belong to the human race.
krakatoa
Nov 25 2007, 04:35 PM
QUOTE(Mister Fancypants @ Nov 25 2007, 02:32 PM)

We both belong to the human race.
JVKn'CVO
Nov 25 2007, 04:36 PM
Me: 3/4 spanish (south of Spain), 1/4 italian
Justin: 1/2 german, 1/2 russian

Saludos,
Caro
Wacken
Nov 25 2007, 06:09 PM
No, he's a garden gnome and I am a forest troll.
Jomo's girl
Nov 25 2007, 06:38 PM
QUOTE(Mister Fancypants @ Nov 25 2007, 03:32 PM)

We both belong to the human race.
I was thinking the same thing.
This question is just not as easy as it used to be. The world is such a huge melting pot now.
My family tree has some Germans and American Indians on it. My husband's has Germans and Jamaicans.
Ms. Squirrel
Nov 25 2007, 06:59 PM
We are both Caucasian (was that was the questions was aiming for?

), so we do not have an interracial relationship, but an still a funky international one.
Jeffrey being New Zealander with Scottish roots and a broad Kiwi accent. I am 1/2 French, 1/4 Spanish (rather Catalan), 1/4 Czech.
Born and raised in Germany, I was brought up with a heavy Spanish influence because of my Mom (1/2 French/ 1/2 Catalan) and Grandma (100% Catalan - most stubborn person I've ever met) and grew up in the Jewish community in Frankfurt (my Czech Grandmother was Oscar Schindler's secretary, they both grew up in Svitavy).
All true, but very confusing. I am never sure which country to cheer for during world cups.
Ting Tong Farang
Nov 25 2007, 08:19 PM
I'm a mutt, 100% Red Blooded American, better half is Thai/Cambodian.
Marlita
Nov 25 2007, 08:19 PM
QUOTE(Julie @ Nov 25 2007, 03:59 PM)

We are both Caucasian (was that was the questions was aiming for?

), so we do not have an interracial relationship, but an still a funky international one.
Jeffrey being New Zealander with Scottish roots and a broad Kiwi accent. I am 1/2 French, 1/4 Spanish (rather Catalan), 1/4 Czech.
Born and raised in Germany, I was brought up with a heavy Spanish influence because of my Mom (1/2 French/ 1/2 Catalan) and Grandma (100% Catalan - most stubborn person I've ever met) and grew up in the Jewish community in Frankfurt (my Czech Grandmother was Oscar Schindler's secretary, they both grew up in Svitavy).
All true, but very confusing. I am never sure which country to cheer for during world cups.
This is interesting, because NO ONE answered with what their RACE is! Rather you all answered with what Nationaliy your heritage belongs to. Saying Spanish, Polish, German, etc....does not mean race. I think HUMAN RACE is what we all belong to. Now as far as our ethnic nationalites...thats a different topic.
Omoba
Nov 25 2007, 09:20 PM
me , white, German
he , black, Sierra Leonean W. Africa
Parivar CSK
Nov 26 2007, 08:45 AM
I said no, but I think it's tricky. I have actually read in several places that Caucasian also can cover people from India and other parts of Asia and north Africa. So Caucasian is used usually for lighter skinned ppl, European descent, but I think the word actually includes a lot more people than that, technically. Ethnically me and hubby are very different, racially(by terms) maybe not.
PlatyPius
Nov 26 2007, 09:41 AM
QUOTE(stina&suj @ Nov 26 2007, 08:45 AM)

I said no, but I think it's tricky. I have actually read in several places that Caucasian also can cover people from India and other parts of Asia and north Africa. So Caucasian is used usually for lighter skinned ppl, European descent, but I think the word actually includes a lot more people than that, technically. Ethnically me and hubby are very different, racially(by terms) maybe not.
Yes, people from India are sometimes considered caucasian. Other people/groups consider them to be Asian.
All race does is catalogue people based on their physiology. Blacks have different physical characteristics than Asians, who are different than Caucasians. People are people, they just look different based on where they were born and what genes they have.
Jomo's girl
Nov 26 2007, 09:50 AM
QUOTE(PlatyPius @ Nov 26 2007, 08:41 AM)

QUOTE(stina&suj @ Nov 26 2007, 08:45 AM)

I said no, but I think it's tricky. I have actually read in several places that Caucasian also can cover people from India and other parts of Asia and north Africa. So Caucasian is used usually for lighter skinned ppl, European descent, but I think the word actually includes a lot more people than that, technically. Ethnically me and hubby are very different, racially(by terms) maybe not.
Yes, people from India are sometimes considered caucasian. Other people/groups consider them to be Asian.
All race does is catalogue people based on their physiology. Blacks have different physical characteristics than Asians, who are different than Caucasians. People are people, they just look different based on where they were born and what genes they have.
But again, my point is that the world is so intermixed now that it is getting harder and harder to use the word race.
Nessa
Nov 26 2007, 10:05 AM
yes we are both caucasian and both our ancestors are mainly from Germany
LoriLawless
Nov 26 2007, 10:08 AM
If that means are we both "white" then yes.
athena_ny
Nov 26 2007, 10:08 AM
Well, most of the world would say we're different races.
But his grandmother was American, his dad was definitely white Hispanic, and his mom is more mestizo Hispanic...so he's dark and beautiful

I'm Caucasian. As white as they come, I get a sunburn if a lamp looks at me funny.
But I don't care. He doesn't care. So I'm not answering this one.
Cassie
Nov 26 2007, 10:09 AM
We are both Caucasian -- me: Irish & Scottish (and all Canadian, baby!

) and he has a lot of Czech in his ancestry.
moody
Nov 26 2007, 10:16 AM
I suppose we're the same race. If husband has to specify race on certain forms there isn't a box for Arab or Mid Eastern so he has to check "Caucasian".
Question since I'm not up on the technicalities of race....are Mid Easterners Caucasians?
PlatyPius
Nov 26 2007, 11:12 AM
QUOTE(moody @ Nov 26 2007, 10:16 AM)

Question since I'm not up on the technicalities of race....are Mid Easterners Caucasians?
Yes.
A.J.
Nov 26 2007, 11:14 AM
Funny poll.
We're both from India, so are we or aren't we the same race? If race pertains to body build, skin tone, shape/color of eyes, texture of hair and/or skin, my father and I aren't members of the same race. Neither are my wife and I. Heck, there's probably 2-3 different races in my extended family alone.
Happy Bunny
Nov 26 2007, 11:54 AM
Well, technically, we're both 'white' I guess...but being that he's English, and I'm of Italian descent, we're not remotely the same shade.
mawilson
Nov 26 2007, 11:57 AM
QUOTE(Jomo @ Nov 25 2007, 06:38 PM)

The world is such a huge melting pot now.
Not really. Most people in the world still belong to one of the three major races -
mongoloid, caucasoid, or negroid.
A.J.
Nov 26 2007, 12:01 PM
QUOTE(mawilson @ Nov 26 2007, 11:57 AM)

QUOTE(Jomo @ Nov 25 2007, 06:38 PM)

The world is such a huge melting pot now.
Not really. Most people in the world still belong to one of the three major races -
mongoloid, caucasoid, or negroid.
That belief has been widely discredited.
Kazan' Tiger
Nov 26 2007, 12:09 PM
We are the same. European caucasians. I've always wondered how many more decades (centuries) will pass before races are pretty much extinct. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with bearing children of a mixed race. There isn't. But it would be sad to see us all generally look alike for real. It's all our differences that make life more interesting.
Jomo's girl
Nov 26 2007, 12:11 PM
QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Nov 26 2007, 11:01 AM)

QUOTE(mawilson @ Nov 26 2007, 11:57 AM)

QUOTE(Jomo @ Nov 25 2007, 06:38 PM)

The world is such a huge melting pot now.
Not really. Most people in the world still belong to one of the three major races -
mongoloid, caucasoid, or negroid.
That belief has been widely discredited.
Yah, I agree, Mr. Troll.
mawilson
Nov 26 2007, 05:00 PM
QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Nov 26 2007, 12:01 PM)

QUOTE(mawilson @ Nov 26 2007, 11:57 AM)

QUOTE(Jomo @ Nov 25 2007, 06:38 PM)

The world is such a huge melting pot now.
Not really. Most people in the world still belong to one of the three major races -
mongoloid, caucasoid, or negroid.
That belief has been widely discredited.
Discredited how?
Big Agnes!
Nov 26 2007, 05:18 PM
QUOTE(mawilson @ Nov 26 2007, 08:57 AM)

QUOTE(Jomo @ Nov 25 2007, 06:38 PM)

The world is such a huge melting pot now.
Not really. Most people in the world still belong to one of the three major races -
mongoloid, caucasoid, or negroid.
Oh dear--is that pesky
Eugenics, 1899 manual still circulating?
Jenn!
Nov 26 2007, 05:29 PM
QUOTE(mawilson @ Nov 26 2007, 05:00 PM)

QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Nov 26 2007, 12:01 PM)

QUOTE(mawilson @ Nov 26 2007, 11:57 AM)

QUOTE(Jomo @ Nov 25 2007, 06:38 PM)

The world is such a huge melting pot now.
Not really. Most people in the world still belong to one of the three major races -
mongoloid, caucasoid, or negroid.
That belief has been widely discredited.
Discredited how?
"Scientific support for the Caucasoid, Negroid, Mongoloid terminology of racial classification has diminished over the past century. These terms originally denoted skull types and sprang from the technique known as
craniofacial anthropometry, but these disciplines have been abandoned by the mainstream scientific community. Today they have only two common uses. They are used in
forensic anthropology as an indicator of ethnicity of skeletal remains. And they can be used as euphemisms for making racially based distinctions that are now regarded as being
racist and baseless by mainstream culture."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_%28class...human_beings%29
bora bora
Nov 26 2007, 05:32 PM
Even though I'm the OP I don't have a clear answer - because I don't think there is one.
I'm caucasion (of German and English descent) and my husband is caucasion I guess - though he is quite dark. My stepdad is considered black, yet my husband is darker than he is. My husband has European (Portuguese) and Indigenous roots. He's tall, dark, and handsome
His skin is definetly a brown color, so he must have indigenous roots (he is from the Amazon).
We're quite different from each other and I think that is what makes us so attracted to each other - and a great looking couple

.
mawilson
Nov 26 2007, 05:51 PM
QUOTE(Jenn! @ Nov 26 2007, 05:29 PM)

"Scientific support for the Caucasoid, Negroid, Mongoloid terminology of racial classification has
diminished over the past century. These terms originally denoted skull types and sprang from the technique known as
craniofacial anthropometry, but these disciplines have been abandoned by the mainstream scientific community. Today they have only two common uses.
They are used in forensic anthropology as an indicator of ethnicity of skeletal remains. And they can be used as euphemisms for making racially based distinctions that are now regarded as being
racist and baseless by mainstream culture."
That doesn't sound like discreditation.
jundp
Nov 26 2007, 06:05 PM
QUOTE(Wacken @ Nov 25 2007, 03:09 PM)

No, he's a garden gnome and I am a forest troll.
And here I thought we were the only such couple...
QUOTE(meow mix @ Nov 26 2007, 07:08 AM)

I'm Caucasian. As white as they come, I get a sunburn if a lamp looks at me funny.
Best line I've read today.
Queen Jenn
Nov 27 2007, 02:12 PM
LOL at the sunburn from a lamp. That's totally me, too. And then the sunburn doesn't fade into a tan, it goes back to bleach white!!!!
Anywho . . . I'm caucasian of British and Scottish descent mostly. My fiance is from Africa and his skin is dark. Talk about TALL, DARK and HANDSOME!!! Whooohooo, I've taken plenty of cold showers since I met him.
GabachaYucateca
Nov 27 2007, 02:17 PM
Me, white, caucasian, kind of a pinkish color. In fact, after living in Mexico, I'd become startled by how pasty I was when I looked in the mirror.
Hubby checks off the Hispanic/Latino box on paperwork, but he is actually Yucatec Maya. Maybe he should be checking off the Native American box? There may very well be people in his family tree that are of Spanish descent, but I don't know of any for a few generations.
I'm the first person in the family who didn't grow up speaking Maya, in-laws included.
Because his hair is jet black and mine well, yellow, we look like a bee when we're together.
Jenn!
Nov 27 2007, 02:29 PM
QUOTE(mawilson @ Nov 26 2007, 05:51 PM)

QUOTE(Jenn! @ Nov 26 2007, 05:29 PM)

"Scientific support for the Caucasoid, Negroid, Mongoloid terminology of racial classification has
diminished over the past century. These terms originally denoted skull types and sprang from the technique known as
craniofacial anthropometry, but these disciplines have been abandoned by the mainstream scientific community. Today they have only two common uses.
They are used in forensic anthropology as an indicator of ethnicity of skeletal remains. And they can be used as euphemisms for making racially based distinctions that are now regarded as being
racist and baseless by mainstream culture."
That doesn't sound like discreditation.
Alrighty then, you go on with your bad self and keep on using them!
LoriLawless
Nov 27 2007, 02:31 PM
QUOTE(LisaD @ Nov 26 2007, 11:54 AM)

Well, technically, we're both 'white' I guess...but being that he's English, and I'm of Italian descent, we're not remotely the same shade.

It's nice to feel "tan" isn't it?
PEGGY
Nov 27 2007, 02:35 PM
Me...I am Scottish on my moms' side and Slovakia on my dad's side. My dad's father travelled at the age of 16 from Slovakia to Nova Scotia Canada. He was a strong man who was determined to have a better life.
My husband comes from Scottish background.
mawilson
Nov 27 2007, 04:04 PM
QUOTE(Jenn! @ Nov 27 2007, 02:29 PM)

QUOTE(mawilson @ Nov 26 2007, 05:51 PM)

QUOTE(Jenn! @ Nov 26 2007, 05:29 PM)

"Scientific support for the Caucasoid, Negroid, Mongoloid terminology of racial classification has
diminished over the past century. These terms originally denoted skull types and sprang from the technique known as
craniofacial anthropometry, but these disciplines have been abandoned by the mainstream scientific community. Today they have only two common uses.
They are used in forensic anthropology as an indicator of ethnicity of skeletal remains. And they can be used as euphemisms for making racially based distinctions that are now regarded as being
racist and baseless by mainstream culture."
That doesn't sound like discreditation.
Alrighty then, you go on with your bad self and keep on using them!
Sure thing, Caucasoid-Negroid.
Jenn!
Nov 27 2007, 04:12 PM
QUOTE(mawilson @ Nov 27 2007, 04:04 PM)

QUOTE(Jenn! @ Nov 27 2007, 02:29 PM)

QUOTE(mawilson @ Nov 26 2007, 05:51 PM)

QUOTE(Jenn! @ Nov 26 2007, 05:29 PM)

"Scientific support for the Caucasoid, Negroid, Mongoloid terminology of racial classification has
diminished over the past century. These terms originally denoted skull types and sprang from the technique known as
craniofacial anthropometry, but these disciplines have been abandoned by the mainstream scientific community. Today they have only two common uses.
They are used in forensic anthropology as an indicator of ethnicity of skeletal remains. And they can be used as euphemisms for making racially based distinctions that are now regarded as being
racist and baseless by mainstream culture."
That doesn't sound like discreditation.
Alrighty then, you go on with your bad self and keep on using them!
Sure thing, Caucasoid-Negroid.
That's actually, Caucasoid-Mongoloid!
A.J.
Nov 27 2007, 04:13 PM
QUOTE(Jenn! @ Nov 27 2007, 04:12 PM)

QUOTE(mawilson @ Nov 27 2007, 04:04 PM)

QUOTE(Jenn! @ Nov 27 2007, 02:29 PM)

QUOTE(mawilson @ Nov 26 2007, 05:51 PM)

QUOTE(Jenn! @ Nov 26 2007, 05:29 PM)

"Scientific support for the Caucasoid, Negroid, Mongoloid terminology of racial classification has
diminished over the past century. These terms originally denoted skull types and sprang from the technique known as
craniofacial anthropometry, but these disciplines have been abandoned by the mainstream scientific community. Today they have only two common uses.
They are used in forensic anthropology as an indicator of ethnicity of skeletal remains. And they can be used as euphemisms for making racially based distinctions that are now regarded as being
racist and baseless by mainstream culture."
That doesn't sound like discreditation.
Alrighty then, you go on with your bad self and keep on using them!
Sure thing, Caucasoid-Negroid.
That's actually, Caucasoid-Mongoloid!
Or is it Mongoloid-Caucasoid?
Kez/JWolf
Nov 27 2007, 04:21 PM
We dont know.....
I am white Scotish and can trace my ansectors back 600 years.... My husband was adopted at birth he is not white and not dark skined but we have no idea where is birth parents were from...
Kez
mawilson
Nov 27 2007, 04:31 PM
QUOTE(Jenn! @ Nov 27 2007, 04:12 PM)

That's actually, Caucasoid-Mongoloid!
Dammit. I give up.
mawilson
Nov 27 2007, 04:34 PM
almaty
Nov 27 2007, 06:33 PM
hmmm..well i am Caucasian..ans she is from the Caucasus mountains
garya505
Nov 27 2007, 06:35 PM
QUOTE(Mister Fancypants @ Nov 25 2007, 02:32 PM)

We both belong to the human race.
We are too.
(what a dumb-azz question)
Journey Completed
Nov 27 2007, 07:03 PM
QUOTE(almaty @ Nov 27 2007, 05:33 PM)

hmmm..well i am Caucasian..ans she is from the Caucasus mountains
What"s with the burro bro Dean?
If you talk in terms of skin color yes, then we're the same race...
But I'm a city-slicker and my wife's a redneck country gal
almaty
Nov 27 2007, 07:17 PM
brother silvy, i am a burro fan
Ting Tong Farang
Nov 27 2007, 07:44 PM
Nice A$$ almaty
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