if you worked at a place and KNEW there were multiple illegal immigrants working there, would you turn them in?

explain.

absofarkinglutely.

Absolutely not, not my business, and I'm not a snitch.

Only if reporting them meant I'd get a promotion or an awesome raise

I voted no.

The word that decides everything is illegal.
Would not everyone turn in a co-worker who killed another co-worker?
I don't see any difference. Against the law is against the law.

abetting is not snitching, it's illegal as well.

There's no such thing as generalized 'abetting', and even if there were, failure to report someone else's illegal presence is not a violation of any law.

I can't imagine that I'd know someone's status with enough certainty to bother with ICE; there's guesses, but guesses seems to have put LaL's husband on the no-fly list for being an engineer while Arab, so I think I'd counsel caution.

I realize this is a hypothetical, but still. I voted "other." First of all, I work in a private school and I'm a department head, so I do the hiring in my department. It would be impossible for an illegal worker to get a job in my school because of the intensity of background checks that are performed. However, suppose one slipped through the cracks, somehow, someway. I don't know that I would be able to turn someone in for this. I know that the debate rages over "illegal is illegal" and it is inconceivable to some that there are people who make what is seemingly a black and white issue (in terms of constants, not in terms of race!) into something involving grey areas. However, I do not equate murder with being here illegally, etc. I do believe there are grey areas.

I'm sure with my admission I am opening myself up to attack, but I'm ok with that. Honestly, I've never been in the position so I cannot say for sure, but my gut says "No, you wouldn't turn them in, Jen."

I have no problem abetting a criminal act if I believe the law that defines that act as criminal is unjust. Most immigration law is unjust.

http://criminal.lawyers.com/Criminal-Law-C...-FAQs.html#FOUR

Being here illegally is a civil offense, not a criminal one.

No, not my place. Don't care what you think and not explaining why.

Bill: You know, it just happened.
Sheriff: Did Stan try to stop you at any time?
Bill: No. I mean, he was... Is that a big deal?
Sheriff: Aidin' and abettin'.
Bill: Aiding and abetting? Is that a major thing?
Sheriff: Oh, yeah. Yeah!

Employers then are guilty. As they should be. Hopefully the new legislation that's been talked about will come to fruition.

Where do you see a grey area?
Breaking a law is breaking a law and law breakers need to be prosecuted, sentenced and punished.

That's because you're a good person with a heart. You're not some cold-blooded heartless ideologue who gets off on the misery of others.

totally

I won't say no or yes because I think it's circumstantial. If I felt the employer was doing shady things like underpaying illegal immigrants on purpose I would want to report the employer.

Who would you turn them(the workers) in to? Is there a 1 800-illegal-worker number to call? It seems nothing gets done already about the large amounts of undocumented workers. It is upon the employer to take the heat since they are the ones doing the hiring IMO. I am mixed on this issue. I don't think people should just try to sneak across the borders and then be given all the rights of those who are legally here, yet I don't go around wondering who is illegal or not so that I can report them.

For the boneheads that say "no, never! its not my business."...........please give me all your money now since you don't seem to care about it.

LOL

Illegals are here and I'm not getting any poorer from it. Maybe you are, in which case may I suggest you find a better paying profession?

Heck, illegals save me money in some very tangible ways.

The poll is looking distinctly one-sided...

Edited to add - I don't think its my business really either. More than that I wouldn't ask (or assume) in the first place.

So exploiting them is a better alternative?

It's not exploitation when they call me and ask for work. As for minimum wage laws, well, let's just say the illegals who's services I pay for make way more than minimum wage

I love the constant It's against the law!!! defense.

I suppose that those who cry foul and tell people like me that I have no regard for laws because I wouldn't turn people in have NEVER EVER run afoul of a law in your life. Right? That would follow logically since that's one of the main arguments. Never drank before turning 21 (depending on age, perhaps 18)? Never performed or received oral sex in a state in which laws prohibiting it are still on the books?

And laws are human-made and meant to change with the times and needs of society. If it's found that a law is unjust or doesn't work for society, then it's changed. Just like many want to do to either enforce immigration laws or create a path to citizenship.

Employers aren't guilty of abetting; they're guilty of violating the relevant employment laws.

Actually the main reason I wouldn't turn anyone in is because I value my job, and if I want to progress in the company, snitching on people probably isn't the best way to make friends.

i would never turn them in..and i have used them to work for me..and paid them equal of other citizen workers, but they did allot more work for their wages than the chopf##ks froom temp. services

So you knowingly hire illegals?

oh so you can admit there are immigration laws (being broken)?

yes, i would turn them in.
yes, i would enjoy it.
yes, i would wave bye bye to them as they leave.
yes, i would be filthy rich if my employer tried any retaliatory action.
no, i don't care if you like my opinion or answer.

Is that why you were forced to quit your job? Did you turn someone in?

At my job, the production operations employees work directly for the oil companies and are not illegal aliens. It is the construction contractors that do work on our facilities that have laborers that are obviously illegal aliens. Of course these contractors can get away with this because it is the illegal alien that commits the fraud by providing them with stolen or counterfeit documents to get the job. This lets the contractors and the oil companies get a free ride if ICE drops by to audit them. The truth is that ICE never has raided an offshore production platform way out on the Gulf of Mexico and probably never will. It's not a chicken plant with hundreds of employees. At most a raid on a production platform would nail 6 or 8 illegals. Not to mention that the construction project would likely be finished and gone before ICE would ever get around to it. The key is to audit the companies that hire the illegals.

Hopefully soon the lawsuits to try to stop the "no match" Social Security audits and mandatory firing of "no match" illegal workers will be resolved in favor of allowing this key tool to be used against illegal aliens and the crooks that hire them. This will go a long way to rid the workplace of illegal labor. Illegal aliens have no right to work in the USA illegally. Who gives a sh*t if EWI is a civil or criminal offense? Illegal aliens have no right to illegal work. Period!

Also urge your US Congressman and Senator to vote the S.A.V.E. Act into law. It will force employers to verify their employees are not illegal aliens. Here is more about the Secure America with Verification Enforcement Act:

http://www.numbersusa.com/interests/attrition.html

I voted "other" because I feel it is more effective to pester my elected representatives to mandate resources to effectively and actually enforce the law. Nail the employers and the illegal aliens will go home home when they cannot easily work illegally here in the USA with impunity as they do now. The root cause is the abundant opportunity to work illegally. Crack down on the source of the problem...the employers.

I do care about my money, but I don't think there are any illegals with a PhD in maths trying to steal my job away from me.

People do whatever they can to survive, even if sometimes it means breaking the law. Law enforcement is not my job, and as long as no-one's life or livelihood is being threatened, I'm not going to interfere.

I see your "no, I'm not a snitch" and raise it to "no, I'm not an a$$hole with nothing better to do."

Also, seriously, if you're American, like Gupt said, try getting into a better field so undocumented workers don't threaten you economically.

i see your not an azzhole with nothing better to do and raise that with..........

no, i have my head in rectal defilade and i don't see the problem

now what if people like the field they are in, one that is threatened by illegals (yes your more pc term of undocumented duly noted). is that tough chit for them?

yah saw those too.....can't imagine why these illegal immigration threads always turn into hateful spittin matches

Dunno, not that I want to get into this extremely pointless "debate" (in quotes because I think the term refers to a more elevated kind of argument than what's happening here) but I read a long report that showed the only questionable impact these immigrants might have is on the labor market for Americans without high school educations. No evidence showing an impact on anyone else, and even the link between immigrants and slight decline in opportunity for high school dropouts was dubious.

i guess next up, we'll hear bank robbers termed as "non-account holder cash withdrawers"

i'll take that as a yes, sucks to be them americans with less than a high school education. or for anyone else that enjoys doing the same type of labor that an illegal would impact.
and i've got plenty of reports too that indicate the impact isn't just on the very low end of the labor market....want some reports on illegals killing people in the usa? no, of course not. that might ruin your rosey outlook.

Well who honestly wants to be the old lady with the twitching net curtains?

I agree with Peejay here - better use of time to lobby elected representatives and get employment laws properly enforced.

no, it is not why... but when i explained to someone what happened they said i should turn all the illegals in to get the owner in trouble (almost half working there are...and have personally admitted it to me. ) so that made me wonder what everyone here on vj would do since illegal immigration is such a hot topic. thats all

Of course. Try getting a quote from a few, they have the best prices. I work for my money and I'm not about to hand more than I need to over to someone just because he has the right paperwork.


Yes.

I have to agree with this though my degrees are in English, but still...and since I'm a teacher, they're not stealing much from me

Keep up the exploitation Gupt, it's what America stands for.

LOL... the dude calls me once a month asking me if I have work for him. If I do, I have him give me a quote. I am yet to haggle with the guy, I don't even tell him how much my other (legal) quotes are. Whenever his quote is good, I just say yes. He gets exactly what he asks for.

The only difference is, he doesn't try to exploit me. The legal guys do.

Ummmmmm, taxes to pay for the leeches, you do pay taxes, right?

How are they leeches? Leeches, by definition, take but do not give. Illegals give. They work, and by working, they add value. You do realize that any time an economic transaction takes place, value is added - don't you?