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A.J.
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NavarreMan
Do you work for FOX News?
JohnK
QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Nov 13 2007, 12:08 PM) *
Putting a US citizen woman-beater in jail in exchange for granting an illegal immigrant woman legal status
Deporting the illegal immigrant woman with the understanding that the US citizen woman-beater will never be put behind bars.

Why does she have to be given legal status in order to prosecute?
A.J.
QUOTE(JohnK @ Nov 13 2007, 01:15 PM) *
QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Nov 13 2007, 12:08 PM) *
Putting a US citizen woman-beater in jail in exchange for granting an illegal immigrant woman legal status
Deporting the illegal immigrant woman with the understanding that the US citizen woman-beater will never be put behind bars.

Why does she have to be given legal status in order to prosecute?

You need her testimony and that's the deal her attorney is offering?
charles!
the poll is flawed, should be another choice for the first question - like allowed to stay until the trial completes and then sent home.
A.J.
QUOTE(charlesandnessa @ Nov 13 2007, 01:18 PM) *
the poll is flawed, should be another choice for the first question - like allowed to stay until the trial completes and then sent home.

*sigh*

That was excluded on purpose. If you have to choose between those two, what do you choose? I'm curious. Push comes to shove, how crazy are you people? tongue.gif
JohnK
QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Nov 13 2007, 12:16 PM) *
QUOTE(JohnK @ Nov 13 2007, 01:15 PM) *
QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Nov 13 2007, 12:08 PM) *
Putting a US citizen woman-beater in jail in exchange for granting an illegal immigrant woman legal status
Deporting the illegal immigrant woman with the understanding that the US citizen woman-beater will never be put behind bars.

Why does she have to be given legal status in order to prosecute?

You need her testimony and that's the deal her attorney is offering?

Screw that. If she won't testify against the accused without some kind of reward then ship her @ss home and let him go free. The only thing rewarding her will achieve is more people filing false abuse claims in order to get a free ride to citizenship.
illumine
QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Nov 13 2007, 10:19 AM) *
QUOTE(charlesandnessa @ Nov 13 2007, 01:18 PM) *
the poll is flawed, should be another choice for the first question - like allowed to stay until the trial completes and then sent home.

*sigh*

That was excluded on purpose. If you have to choose between those two, what do you choose? I'm curious. Push comes to shove, how crazy are you people? tongue.gif


We don't have to choose anything. Why are you trying so deperately to start a fight?
SMOKE
QUOTE(NavarreMan @ Nov 13 2007, 12:12 PM) *
Do you work for FOX News?

laughing.gif
A.J.
QUOTE(devilette @ Nov 13 2007, 01:20 PM) *
QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Nov 13 2007, 10:19 AM) *
QUOTE(charlesandnessa @ Nov 13 2007, 01:18 PM) *
the poll is flawed, should be another choice for the first question - like allowed to stay until the trial completes and then sent home.

*sigh*

That was excluded on purpose. If you have to choose between those two, what do you choose? I'm curious. Push comes to shove, how crazy are you people? tongue.gif


We don't have to choose anything. Why are you trying so deperately to start a fight?

Just wanted to see how nuts you really are.

QUOTE(JohnK @ Nov 13 2007, 01:20 PM) *
QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Nov 13 2007, 12:16 PM) *
QUOTE(JohnK @ Nov 13 2007, 01:15 PM) *
QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Nov 13 2007, 12:08 PM) *
Putting a US citizen woman-beater in jail in exchange for granting an illegal immigrant woman legal status
Deporting the illegal immigrant woman with the understanding that the US citizen woman-beater will never be put behind bars.

Why does she have to be given legal status in order to prosecute?

You need her testimony and that's the deal her attorney is offering?

Screw that. If she won't testify against the accused without some kind of reward then ship her @ss home and let him go free. The only thing rewarding her will achieve is more people filing false abuse claims in order to get a free ride to citizenship.

You're certifiable.
Kevin and Tuyen
Yes or No- Do you still beat your wife?
*Marilyn*
where is the option for the second question for "not sure" ?? whistling.gif
desert_fox
Let her testify, put the wife beater in jail, and then send her back.

She is in no position to make a deal. A crime has been committed. She is under supoena to testify. If she doesn't, then she is in contempt of court. There are no dels available.

If she is in contempt, put her in jail and then deport her.

you need more options....I dint vote.

A.J.
QUOTE(MarilynP @ Nov 13 2007, 01:23 PM) *
where is the option for the second question for "not sure" ?? whistling.gif

The honesty is appreciated.
illumine
QUOTE(MarilynP @ Nov 13 2007, 10:23 AM) *
where is the option for the second question for "not sure" ?? whistling.gif



Marilyn - you live in SoCal, you see them every day, trust me.
JohnK
QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Nov 13 2007, 12:21 PM) *
You're certifiable.

Let me know when you find anything in the constitution or law books that says people ought to get paid off for testifying against an as-of-yet-proven-guilty assailant.
*Marilyn*
QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Nov 13 2007, 10:24 AM) *
QUOTE(MarilynP @ Nov 13 2007, 01:23 PM) *
where is the option for the second question for "not sure" ?? whistling.gif

The honesty is appreciated.

thanks, it is just that my hubby's family is Mexican and I know his parents are here legally but I am not sure about the extended family... they probably are legal but I have never asked...


I think wife beating is a worse crime then illegal immigration blink.gif

QUOTE(devilette @ Nov 13 2007, 10:24 AM) *
QUOTE(MarilynP @ Nov 13 2007, 10:23 AM) *
where is the option for the second question for "not sure" ?? whistling.gif



Marilyn - you live in SoCal, you see them every day, trust me.

the question was "do you know any illegals?" , not have you seen any wink.gif
NavarreMan
QUOTE(JohnK @ Nov 13 2007, 12:25 PM) *
QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Nov 13 2007, 12:21 PM) *
You're certifiable.

Let me know when you find anything in the constitution or law books that says people ought to get paid off for testifying against an as-of-yet-proven-guilty assailant.


Wake up John.
Nessa
I choose door #3 biggrin.gif
charles!
QUOTE(JohnK @ Nov 13 2007, 12:25 PM) *
QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Nov 13 2007, 12:21 PM) *
You're certifiable.

Let me know when you find anything in the constitution or law books that says people ought to get paid off for testifying against an as-of-yet-proven-guilty assailant.

and wouldn't it be considered bribing a witness to testify? whistling.gif
A.J.
QUOTE(charlesandnessa @ Nov 13 2007, 01:33 PM) *
QUOTE(JohnK @ Nov 13 2007, 12:25 PM) *
QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Nov 13 2007, 12:21 PM) *
You're certifiable.

Let me know when you find anything in the constitution or law books that says people ought to get paid off for testifying against an as-of-yet-proven-guilty assailant.

and wouldn't it be considered bribing a witness to testify? whistling.gif

Witnesses are bribed all the time. They're given immunity, their sentences are commuted, etc.
*Marilyn*
QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Nov 13 2007, 10:34 AM) *
QUOTE(charlesandnessa @ Nov 13 2007, 01:33 PM) *
QUOTE(JohnK @ Nov 13 2007, 12:25 PM) *
QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Nov 13 2007, 12:21 PM) *
You're certifiable.

Let me know when you find anything in the constitution or law books that says people ought to get paid off for testifying against an as-of-yet-proven-guilty assailant.

and wouldn't it be considered bribing a witness to testify? whistling.gif

Witnesses are bribed all the time. They're given immunity, their sentences are commuted, etc.

laughing.gif I was just going to say something like that good.gif
A.J.
Btw check out the poll : 11-2. The silent majority is still good people, whoo hoo!
JohnK
QUOTE(NavarreMan @ Nov 13 2007, 12:32 PM) *
QUOTE(JohnK @ Nov 13 2007, 12:25 PM) *
QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Nov 13 2007, 12:21 PM) *
You're certifiable.

Let me know when you find anything in the constitution or law books that says people ought to get paid off for testifying against an as-of-yet-proven-guilty assailant.


Wake up John.

Wake up to what? If I got mugged do you think asking the prosecutor to pay me $1000 dollars to testify against my assailant would get me anywhere?

QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Nov 13 2007, 12:34 PM) *
QUOTE(charlesandnessa @ Nov 13 2007, 01:33 PM) *
QUOTE(JohnK @ Nov 13 2007, 12:25 PM) *
QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Nov 13 2007, 12:21 PM) *
You're certifiable.

Let me know when you find anything in the constitution or law books that says people ought to get paid off for testifying against an as-of-yet-proven-guilty assailant.

and wouldn't it be considered bribing a witness to testify? whistling.gif

Witnesses are bribed all the time. They're given immunity, their sentences are commuted, etc.

She's not a witness, she's the victim.
A.J.
QUOTE(JohnK @ Nov 13 2007, 01:38 PM) *
QUOTE(NavarreMan @ Nov 13 2007, 12:32 PM) *
QUOTE(JohnK @ Nov 13 2007, 12:25 PM) *
QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Nov 13 2007, 12:21 PM) *
You're certifiable.

Let me know when you find anything in the constitution or law books that says people ought to get paid off for testifying against an as-of-yet-proven-guilty assailant.


Wake up John.

Wake up to what? If I got mugged do you think asking the prosecutor to pay me $1000 dollars to testify against my assailant would get me anywhere?

QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Nov 13 2007, 12:34 PM) *
QUOTE(charlesandnessa @ Nov 13 2007, 01:33 PM) *
QUOTE(JohnK @ Nov 13 2007, 12:25 PM) *
QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Nov 13 2007, 12:21 PM) *
You're certifiable.

Let me know when you find anything in the constitution or law books that says people ought to get paid off for testifying against an as-of-yet-proven-guilty assailant.

and wouldn't it be considered bribing a witness to testify? whistling.gif

Witnesses are bribed all the time. They're given immunity, their sentences are commuted, etc.

She's not a witness, she's the victim.

Note that I worded the questions so as not to imply that.
tom&tata
Yes, we personally know illegal immigrants (note: more than 1) and we do not live in California wink.gif
illumine
QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Nov 13 2007, 10:36 AM) *
Btw check out the poll : 11-2. The silent majority is still good people, whoo hoo!



and plenty have not replied because your poll is flawed.
A.J.
QUOTE(devilette @ Nov 13 2007, 01:43 PM) *
QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Nov 13 2007, 10:36 AM) *
Btw check out the poll : 11-2. The silent majority is still good people, whoo hoo!



and plenty have not replied because your poll is flawed.

No. I was wondering if VJ had turned into some kind of surreal "neo-Nazis for Hillary" forum. This poll affirms my belief that it has not.
pedroh
QUOTE(devilette @ Nov 13 2007, 01:24 PM) *
QUOTE(MarilynP @ Nov 13 2007, 10:23 AM) *
where is the option for the second question for "not sure" ?? whistling.gif



Marilyn - you live in SoCal, you see them every day, trust me.


I know a few, and I don't live in cal... and why that 'you see them every day, trust me', are you afraid of them? are they gonna try to rob you, kill you or offer you some dope?
A.J.
QUOTE(pedroh @ Nov 13 2007, 01:45 PM) *
QUOTE(devilette @ Nov 13 2007, 01:24 PM) *
QUOTE(MarilynP @ Nov 13 2007, 10:23 AM) *
where is the option for the second question for "not sure" ?? whistling.gif



Marilyn - you live in SoCal, you see them every day, trust me.


I know a few, and I don't live in cal... and why that 'you see them every day, trust me', are you afraid of them? are they gonna try to rob you, kill you or offer you some dope?

They're gonna take her job at mcdonalds.
charles!
lotta people know illegals .......
illumine
QUOTE(pedroh @ Nov 13 2007, 10:45 AM) *
QUOTE(devilette @ Nov 13 2007, 01:24 PM) *
QUOTE(MarilynP @ Nov 13 2007, 10:23 AM) *
where is the option for the second question for "not sure" ?? whistling.gif



Marilyn - you live in SoCal, you see them every day, trust me.


I know a few, and I don't live in cal... and why that 'you see them every day, trust me', are you afraid of them? are they gonna try to rob you, kill you or offer you some dope?



Did I say that?
A.J.
Ok, folks, it's been good but I must go log some billables now. Talk to you all later smile.gif
charles!
QUOTE(pedroh @ Nov 13 2007, 12:45 PM) *
I know a few, and I don't live in cal... and why that 'you see them every day, trust me', are you afraid of them? are they gonna try to rob you, kill you or offer you some dope?

so are you saying they do that? whistling.gif
hmm1
QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Nov 13 2007, 02:46 PM) *
QUOTE(pedroh @ Nov 13 2007, 01:45 PM) *
QUOTE(devilette @ Nov 13 2007, 01:24 PM) *
QUOTE(MarilynP @ Nov 13 2007, 10:23 AM) *
where is the option for the second question for "not sure" ?? whistling.gif



Marilyn - you live in SoCal, you see them every day, trust me.


I know a few, and I don't live in cal... and why that 'you see them every day, trust me', are you afraid of them? are they gonna try to rob you, kill you or offer you some dope?

They're gonna take her job at mcdonalds.

This poll is severly flawed and only serves the purpose of the inventor...that said...allow the person to stay until the case is over, put away the wife beater and eject the illegal from the country...nuff said...
illumine
QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Nov 13 2007, 10:46 AM) *
QUOTE(pedroh @ Nov 13 2007, 01:45 PM) *
QUOTE(devilette @ Nov 13 2007, 01:24 PM) *
QUOTE(MarilynP @ Nov 13 2007, 10:23 AM) *
where is the option for the second question for "not sure" ?? whistling.gif



Marilyn - you live in SoCal, you see them every day, trust me.


I know a few, and I don't live in cal... and why that 'you see them every day, trust me', are you afraid of them? are they gonna try to rob you, kill you or offer you some dope?

They're gonna take her job at mcdonalds.



mad.gif

You win, you've made a flawed poll that serves no purpose except to anger people.
JeanneVictoria
QUOTE(desert_fox @ Nov 13 2007, 10:24 AM) *
Let her testify, put the wife beater in jail, and then send her back.

She is in no position to make a deal. A crime has been committed. She is under supoena to testify. If she doesn't, then she is in contempt of court. There are no dels available.

If she is in contempt, put her in jail and then deport her.

you need more options....I dint vote.



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Scott & Lai
QUOTE(Kevin and Tuyen @ Nov 13 2007, 10:22 AM) *
Yes or No- Do you still beat your wife?

I'm still waiting for the answer to that one whistling.gif
NavarreMan
Now for a quick trip into the twilight zone - She is the wife beater. idea9dv.gif
Alex+R
I liked the poll and I certainly see its purpose. And dayum, some folks are crazy. The poll, if taken in a vacuum, asks if you see illegal immigration-related crimes as worse than wife beating. There really isn't any sort of "flaw" that would prevent anyone from answering it. I find it heartening that even on VJ, most people aren't entirely rabid and foaming at the mouth.

Also, question #2 was "do you know" an illegal immigrant, not "are you aware of some in your communities." If the question were "are any of your friends illegal immigrants" I wonder what would happen. I have some, and the ones I've met recently were all Irish or Eastern European. Hm,
Happy Bunny
QUOTE(Alex+R @ Nov 13 2007, 04:06 PM) *
I liked the poll and I certainly see its purpose. And dayum, some folks are crazy. The poll, if taken in a vacuum, asks if you see illegal immigration-related crimes as worse than wife beating. There really isn't any sort of "flaw" that would prevent anyone from answering it. I find it heartening that even on VJ, most people aren't entirely rabid and foaming at the mouth.

Also, question #2 was "do you know" an illegal immigrant, not "are you aware of some in your communities." If the question were "are any of your friends illegal immigrants" I wonder what would happen. I have some, and the ones I've met recently were all Irish or Eastern European. Hm,


So? Illegal is illegal. And it seems the ONLY ones who make the nationality distinction are those against us anti-illegals..

Sorry Alex..that's the way I see it!

PS....glad to see you back heart.gif
illumine
QUOTE(LisaD @ Nov 13 2007, 01:41 PM) *
QUOTE(Alex+R @ Nov 13 2007, 04:06 PM) *
I liked the poll and I certainly see its purpose. And dayum, some folks are crazy. The poll, if taken in a vacuum, asks if you see illegal immigration-related crimes as worse than wife beating. There really isn't any sort of "flaw" that would prevent anyone from answering it. I find it heartening that even on VJ, most people aren't entirely rabid and foaming at the mouth.

Also, question #2 was "do you know" an illegal immigrant, not "are you aware of some in your communities." If the question were "are any of your friends illegal immigrants" I wonder what would happen. I have some, and the ones I've met recently were all Irish or Eastern European. Hm,


So? Illegal is illegal. And it seems the ONLY ones who make the nationality distinction are those against us anti-illegals..


Amen Lisa.
Alex+R
QUOTE(devilette @ Nov 13 2007, 04:55 PM) *
QUOTE(LisaD @ Nov 13 2007, 01:41 PM) *
QUOTE(Alex+R @ Nov 13 2007, 04:06 PM) *
I liked the poll and I certainly see its purpose. And dayum, some folks are crazy. The poll, if taken in a vacuum, asks if you see illegal immigration-related crimes as worse than wife beating. There really isn't any sort of "flaw" that would prevent anyone from answering it. I find it heartening that even on VJ, most people aren't entirely rabid and foaming at the mouth.

Also, question #2 was "do you know" an illegal immigrant, not "are you aware of some in your communities." If the question were "are any of your friends illegal immigrants" I wonder what would happen. I have some, and the ones I've met recently were all Irish or Eastern European. Hm,


So? Illegal is illegal. And it seems the ONLY ones who make the nationality distinction are those against us anti-illegals..


Amen Lisa.


This is my last post to you of the day, but certainly illegal is not illegal. Jaywalking is not double homicide, and stealing a pack of gum is not rape.

The reason why we debate the law is so we can improve on it. "Illegal" is ever-changing and almost meaningless as an argument unto itself. I'm surprised so many people simplify things that way.
illumine
QUOTE(Alex+R @ Nov 13 2007, 02:13 PM) *
"Illegal" is ever-changing and almost meaningless as an argument unto itself. I'm surprised so many people simplify things that way.


Well, we are talking about being in America illegally, not breaking a law by jaywalking.

You are either living in America legally or not. Seems pretty clear.

il·le·gal
–adjective
1. forbidden by law or statute.
2. contrary to or forbidden by official rules, regulations, etc.: The referee ruled that it was an illegal forward pass.
–noun
3. Informal. illegal alien.
peejay
QUOTE(charlesandnessa @ Nov 13 2007, 02:46 PM) *
lotta people know illegals .......

There's knowing and then there's knowing.

I've lived and worked with illegal alien laborers that the oil companies hire to do construction labor on the production facilities in the US Gulf of Mexico. Some even admit they are illegal aliens. What do they have to fear? Fat chance that anyone would come get them even if they were reported.

I don't hang around with them after I leave work. We don't have a lot in common. I don't hate them, but they have no business working illegally in my country and the construction contractors need to be hit hard for blatantly hiring them. They know they are hiring illegals and don't care. Neither do the oil companies.
almaty
i live in a small town in illinois and know abut 11 ...no issue with them at all..

charles!
QUOTE(almaty @ Nov 13 2007, 07:22 PM) *
i live in a small town in illinois and know abut 11 ...no issue with them at all..

and you are putting up a fence eh......... whistling.gif
Paul Daniels
QUOTE(Alex+R @ Nov 13 2007, 04:06 PM) *
I liked the poll and I certainly see its purpose. And dayum, some folks are crazy. The poll, if taken in a vacuum, asks if you see illegal immigration-related crimes as worse than wife beating. There really isn't any sort of "flaw" that would prevent anyone from answering it. I find it heartening that even on VJ, most people aren't entirely rabid and foaming at the mouth.


Agreed - that's how I read it. Still 7 people agreed with the statement that deporting the illegal immigrant was more important than jailing the wife-beater. Granted there's probably a bit more to their opinions than that but still.... unsure.gif
Natty Bumppo
QUOTE(Alex+R @ Nov 13 2007, 04:13 PM) *
This is my last post to you of the day, but certainly illegal is not illegal. ....

Uh ... ok .... wacko.gif

The poll is FUBAR

No vote.
almaty
QUOTE(charlesandnessa @ Nov 13 2007, 07:47 PM) *
QUOTE(almaty @ Nov 13 2007, 07:22 PM) *
i live in a small town in illinois and know abut 11 ...no issue with them at all..

and you are putting up a fence eh......... whistling.gif


the fenceS are for the russian army ....
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