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*Marilyn*
QUOTE(Jamie76 @ Nov 16 2007, 04:39 AM) *
I don't know what boards you go on, but every one I have been on has mods that you can report abuse of TOS. OK, so I guess it is a free for all. Do what you want, say what you want.

***I see he either removed his comment or someone else decided to do so.

we do have mods you can report abuse to.. their names are "Lal and mags". if you have a problem PM them the link to the thread....
Magenta
QUOTE(Cassie @ Nov 16 2007, 09:33 AM) *
QUOTE(Mags @ Nov 16 2007, 09:02 AM) *
QUOTE(Cassie @ Nov 15 2007, 08:22 PM) *
I honestly think that with Yodrak's departure (is that permanent?), we need another moderator or two, just so that LaL and Mags can share their load of responsibility, unless they are cool with how things stand right now.


We're cool. star_smile.gif



Fair enough, I remove my request. smile.gif


There's nothing to say that this might not change in the future though. So, VJ Troll, please stand by. tongue.gif


QUOTE(MarilynP @ Nov 16 2007, 11:46 AM) *
QUOTE(Jamie76 @ Nov 16 2007, 04:39 AM) *
I don't know what boards you go on, but every one I have been on has mods that you can report abuse of TOS. OK, so I guess it is a free for all. Do what you want, say what you want.

***I see he either removed his comment or someone else decided to do so.

we do have mods you can report abuse to.. their names are "Lal and mags". if you have a problem PM them the link to the thread....


Yeah, I can't say it any more than I have already. biggrin.gif

LaL. Mags. PM. Report. Result!
charles!
QUOTE(PlatyPius @ Nov 15 2007, 08:36 PM) *
QUOTE(LisaD @ Nov 15 2007, 09:34 PM) *
this is getting a skosh overly micromanaged imo


Ya think? LOL!

i nominate platy for mod! kicking.gif kicking.gif kicking.gif
Happy Bunny
QUOTE(charlesandnessa @ Nov 16 2007, 01:14 PM) *
QUOTE(PlatyPius @ Nov 15 2007, 08:36 PM) *
QUOTE(LisaD @ Nov 15 2007, 09:34 PM) *
this is getting a skosh overly micromanaged imo


Ya think? LOL!

i nominate platy for mod! kicking.gif kicking.gif kicking.gif


I second that. yes.gif
Welshcookie
QUOTE(LisaD @ Nov 16 2007, 06:41 PM) *
QUOTE(charlesandnessa @ Nov 16 2007, 01:14 PM) *
QUOTE(PlatyPius @ Nov 15 2007, 08:36 PM) *
QUOTE(LisaD @ Nov 15 2007, 09:34 PM) *
this is getting a skosh overly micromanaged imo


Ya think? LOL!

i nominate platy for mod! kicking.gif kicking.gif kicking.gif


I second that. yes.gif

I third it tongue.gif
A.J.
QUOTE(Mags @ Nov 16 2007, 11:50 AM) *
There's nothing to say that this might not change in the future though. So, VJ Troll, please stand by. tongue.gif

I'm pretty sure it's against TOS for a mod to tease a lowly member like myself. Who do I PM to report you?
Mister Fancypants
QUOTE(Mags @ Nov 16 2007, 05:02 AM) *
QUOTE(Mister Fancypants @ Nov 15 2007, 08:02 PM) *
Just to be clear though, Jamie - there are TWO report buttons. The one that will alert the mods is in the drop down menu when you click once over the poster's name, right below the praise button. smile.gif


Incorrect. You have to PM us to report a member. The drop down box is a separate entity.



I had to go through this thread to find it, but this part is what I was basing the above statement on...

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...t&p=1313171

....

Perhaps you meant just the 'praise' button alerts you Mods but not the 'report' button in the drop down menu, but in any case, is this something that Captain Ewok can change so that you are being alerted not just on members being praised but also being reported? As a Mod, how do you feel about it?

...

Also, I just want to add that I didn't post this thread as a knock at you or Laura. I think my string of threads here in the Suggestions Forum have been consistently about finding solutions to what I think a good number of members see as real problems. I was hoping to make the job of moderator easier, while making this environment here friendly for everyone to post without fear of ridicule. smile.gif
Happy Bunny
QUOTE(thanksforthefish @ Nov 16 2007, 02:33 PM) *
QUOTE(LisaD @ Nov 16 2007, 06:41 PM) *
QUOTE(charlesandnessa @ Nov 16 2007, 01:14 PM) *
QUOTE(PlatyPius @ Nov 15 2007, 08:36 PM) *
QUOTE(LisaD @ Nov 15 2007, 09:34 PM) *
this is getting a skosh overly micromanaged imo


Ya think? LOL!

i nominate platy for mod! kicking.gif kicking.gif kicking.gif


I second that. yes.gif

I third it tongue.gif


That's it. The majority of VJ have spoken tongue.gif wink.gif
Magenta
QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Nov 16 2007, 03:05 PM) *
QUOTE(Mags @ Nov 16 2007, 11:50 AM) *
There's nothing to say that this might not change in the future though. So, VJ Troll, please stand by. tongue.gif

I'm pretty sure it's against TOS for a mod to tease a lowly member like myself. Who do I PM to report you?


Report me to LaL. tongue.gif


QUOTE(Mister Fancypants @ Nov 16 2007, 03:17 PM) *
QUOTE(Mags @ Nov 16 2007, 05:02 AM) *
QUOTE(Mister Fancypants @ Nov 15 2007, 08:02 PM) *
Just to be clear though, Jamie - there are TWO report buttons. The one that will alert the mods is in the drop down menu when you click once over the poster's name, right below the praise button. smile.gif


Incorrect. You have to PM us to report a member. The drop down box is a separate entity.



I had to go through this thread to find it, but this part is what I was basing the above statement on...

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...t&p=1313171

....

Perhaps you meant just the 'praise' button alerts you Mods but not the 'report' button in the drop down menu, but in any case, is this something that Captain Ewok can change so that you are being alerted not just on members being praised but also being reported? As a Mod, how do you feel about it?


Ahh, I get you. Okay, the praise/report member thing isn't something we can just "see". We get a report from the admin of the stats.
Happy Bunny
QUOTE(Mister Fancypants @ Nov 16 2007, 03:17 PM) *
Also, I just want to add that I didn't post this thread as a knock at you or Laura. I think my string of threads here in the Suggestions Forum have been consistently about finding solutions to what I think a good number of members see as real problems. I was hoping to make the job of moderator easier, while making this environment here friendly for everyone to post without fear of ridicule. smile.gif


Does that include the people who have strong opinions? Because I see potshots in this thread on them aplenty.

I think sometimes, Steven, >>>IMO<<< many 'solutions' you have come up with in this forum are like recreating the wheel, only somehow wayyy more complicated. What is the best answer in this case? Ignore it, deal with it yourself, or PM a mod. No one >>>IMO<<< should be calling for public admonishments...or a leaderboard of 'who's done what to whom', or anything else like that. As evidenced in this thread even, sometimes ppl misunderstand posts and take them as insults....and the 'bully' label gets thrown around a little too losely. We're all adults, can't we work it out without having to develop any 'Bully Preventing Units'?

We just need to trust the mods to do their 'job'.
PlatyPius
QUOTE(LisaD @ Nov 16 2007, 03:20 PM) *
QUOTE(thanksforthefish @ Nov 16 2007, 02:33 PM) *
QUOTE(LisaD @ Nov 16 2007, 06:41 PM) *
QUOTE(charlesandnessa @ Nov 16 2007, 01:14 PM) *
QUOTE(PlatyPius @ Nov 15 2007, 08:36 PM) *
QUOTE(LisaD @ Nov 15 2007, 09:34 PM) *
this is getting a skosh overly micromanaged imo


Ya think? LOL!

i nominate platy for mod! kicking.gif kicking.gif kicking.gif


I second that. yes.gif

I third it tongue.gif


That's it. The majority of VJ have spoken tongue.gif wink.gif



While I'm honoured, I'm afraid that a) it would never happen, and 3) Half of the board would be banned immediately.

Platy doesn't put up with any sh!t.
A.J.
We could use a mod like that. 2 "nice ladies" and a pit bull. If ya don't listen to the nice little ladies, you get mauled.
rebeccajo
QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Nov 16 2007, 03:56 PM) *
We could use a mod like that. 2 "nice ladies" and a pit bull. If ya don't listen to the nice little ladies, you get mauled.


I think somebody should get ahold of bholiday, ask him to come back, and make a mod out of him.
A.J.
QUOTE(rebeccajo @ Nov 16 2007, 03:58 PM) *
QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Nov 16 2007, 03:56 PM) *
We could use a mod like that. 2 "nice ladies" and a pit bull. If ya don't listen to the nice little ladies, you get mauled.


I think somebody should get ahold of bholiday, ask him to come back, and make a mod out of him.

I was thinking Marc of CarolandMarc tongue.gif
Paul Daniels
In theory there’s absolutely no reason why we should not be able to work out our problems as adults… in theory… but occasionally that simply doesn't happen. While many people here are far from blameless as to things they’ve said in the past or the way they’ve acted towards other people (myself included)– I think as adults we should be able to draw a line under things and move on, without things turning into some sort of perpetual vendettas, or a constant game of petty one-upmanship between a couple of members that sours everyone’s experience of the forums.

I do think the mods are needed here – perhaps we don’t need more of them, but I do think that we need more active moderation to curtail a lot of the petty bickering which IMO derails too many of the threads and serves no purpose whatsoever. The mods have even indicated as much on other threads here (specifically the illegal immigration ones) that a tougher approach is called for to curtail bad behaviour. As I see it, if people behave like adults - and we all the capacity to do so, then there won’t be a problem; but childishness and petty protracted personal squabbles should be stepped on. IMO of course.
A.J.
QUOTE(Number 6 @ Nov 16 2007, 04:16 PM) *
In theory there’s absolutely no reason why we should not be able to work out our problems as adults…

Speak for yourself, numbskull. Actually, on second thought, please don't speak, you have potty breath.
Paul Daniels
QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Nov 16 2007, 04:26 PM) *
QUOTE(Number 6 @ Nov 16 2007, 04:16 PM) *
In theory there’s absolutely no reason why we should not be able to work out our problems as adults…

Speak for yourself, numbskull. Actually, on second thought, please don't speak, you have potty breath.


Pththpt!
charles!
QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Nov 16 2007, 03:01 PM) *
QUOTE(rebeccajo @ Nov 16 2007, 03:58 PM) *
QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Nov 16 2007, 03:56 PM) *
We could use a mod like that. 2 "nice ladies" and a pit bull. If ya don't listen to the nice little ladies, you get mauled.


I think somebody should get ahold of bholiday, ask him to come back, and make a mod out of him.

I was thinking Marc of CarolandMarc tongue.gif

in that case i vote for matako kicking.gif kicking.gif
A.J.
QUOTE(charlesandnessa @ Nov 16 2007, 05:51 PM) *
QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Nov 16 2007, 03:01 PM) *
QUOTE(rebeccajo @ Nov 16 2007, 03:58 PM) *
QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Nov 16 2007, 03:56 PM) *
We could use a mod like that. 2 "nice ladies" and a pit bull. If ya don't listen to the nice little ladies, you get mauled.


I think somebody should get ahold of bholiday, ask him to come back, and make a mod out of him.

I was thinking Marc of CarolandMarc tongue.gif

in that case i vote for matako kicking.gif kicking.gif

I nominate charles to be in charge of recruitment. He knows talent when he sees it!
Welshcookie
QUOTE(charlesandnessa @ Nov 16 2007, 10:51 PM) *
in that case i vote for matako kicking.gif kicking.gif

pfffttt....surely Ric Flair?? at least he would bring some poetic charm to the public scaldings....hehehe...
Magenta
QUOTE(thanksforthefish @ Nov 16 2007, 08:02 PM) *
QUOTE(charlesandnessa @ Nov 16 2007, 10:51 PM) *
in that case i vote for matako kicking.gif kicking.gif

pfffttt....surely Ric Flair?? at least he would bring some poetic charm to the public scaldings....hehehe...


WWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

tongue.gif
charles!
QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Nov 16 2007, 07:00 PM) *
QUOTE(charlesandnessa @ Nov 16 2007, 05:51 PM) *
QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Nov 16 2007, 03:01 PM) *
QUOTE(rebeccajo @ Nov 16 2007, 03:58 PM) *
QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Nov 16 2007, 03:56 PM) *
We could use a mod like that. 2 "nice ladies" and a pit bull. If ya don't listen to the nice little ladies, you get mauled.


I think somebody should get ahold of bholiday, ask him to come back, and make a mod out of him.

I was thinking Marc of CarolandMarc tongue.gif

in that case i vote for matako kicking.gif kicking.gif

I nominate charles to be in charge of recruitment. He knows talent when he sees it!

i still support the platy 100%

savetheplaty.com! kicking.gif kicking.gif kicking.gif
PlatyPius
QUOTE(charlesandnessa @ Nov 17 2007, 06:00 PM) *
QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Nov 16 2007, 07:00 PM) *
QUOTE(charlesandnessa @ Nov 16 2007, 05:51 PM) *
QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Nov 16 2007, 03:01 PM) *
QUOTE(rebeccajo @ Nov 16 2007, 03:58 PM) *
QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Nov 16 2007, 03:56 PM) *
We could use a mod like that. 2 "nice ladies" and a pit bull. If ya don't listen to the nice little ladies, you get mauled.


I think somebody should get ahold of bholiday, ask him to come back, and make a mod out of him.

I was thinking Marc of CarolandMarc tongue.gif

in that case i vote for matako kicking.gif kicking.gif

I nominate charles to be in charge of recruitment. He knows talent when he sees it!

i still support the platy 100%

savetheplaty.com! kicking.gif kicking.gif kicking.gif


Actually, it's www.platy.be
I don't wanna buy any more domain names....
Boblop
QUOTE(LisaD @ Nov 7 2007, 05:31 AM) *
QUOTE(Mister Fancypants @ Nov 6 2007, 07:57 PM) *
QUOTE(Bassi and Zainab @ Nov 6 2007, 04:24 PM) *
OH MY GOD!!! I am on the internet a lot and all around on various forums related to whatever might be going on in my life. I've had lots of experience with trolls and really have learned to just ignore them. The bullies!!!! I haven't experienced that until I came to VJ and there are several boards that I simply avoid like the plague because of the atmosphere they create there. I've stated how I feel about it and now I've moved on. I'm watching how I feel in other boards here and we'll see if I stick around after my journey is over or not. It COULD be a cool place to hang out and lend support because it's an incredibly emotional and life changing journey.....but I deal with enough crap irl, no way I'm coming on VJ for added grief. I'm happy about this post, because now I don't feel like everyone is in the clique and doesn't see what I see.




It's always good to hear from members who normally don't post because they've been bullied into silence. good.gif yes.gif


I don't think that the above poster was 'bullied into silence', Steven...if she makes a choice to post or leave, that's her choice. It's not that she's 'afraid of the bullies' so much that she doesn't post.

There's a difference to a personality conflict where two adults simply don't click in temperment, and bullying.

I think it's all in perspective, really. We can each look at a person and walk away with different opinions. Bully is a bit OTT, no? No one here's gonna get a faceful of dirt shoved in his/her face during recess. People will agree, people will disagree. And some people are 'bullies' and some are 'wussies', and everything in between....at the end of the day...if you don't get on with someone, one should either manually or automatically ignore that person. Problem solved.

This thread, to me, reads like passive aggressive finger pointing at it's worst. We're all adults here. We all make our own choices. To have to place blame for one's choices on a stranger seems silly to me.

If you don't like someone, ignore him/her. If that person is iyo out of line...report that person and let admin deal with it. We're not all going to agree....we're not all going to like each other. And we're all at a stage of a v frustrating process...so naturally the stress level is going to be high sometimes. The answer is not having to wrap everything in cotton wool and walk on eggshells in fear of offending someone.


Your "aggressive finger pointing at its worst" hits this thread square in the middle..I agree with you. I do not post
often due to the hateful comments that I read. As you say, I ignore them....So I "paste" controversial threads just
to try to point out those who live here to spread hate and divisivness. But you got it right. I salute you.

Happy Bunny
Why thank you, B!
Mister Fancypants
QUOTE(Boblop @ Nov 30 2007, 05:46 PM) *
QUOTE(LisaD @ Nov 7 2007, 05:31 AM) *
QUOTE(Mister Fancypants @ Nov 6 2007, 07:57 PM) *
QUOTE(Bassi and Zainab @ Nov 6 2007, 04:24 PM) *
OH MY GOD!!! I am on the internet a lot and all around on various forums related to whatever might be going on in my life. I've had lots of experience with trolls and really have learned to just ignore them. The bullies!!!! I haven't experienced that until I came to VJ and there are several boards that I simply avoid like the plague because of the atmosphere they create there. I've stated how I feel about it and now I've moved on. I'm watching how I feel in other boards here and we'll see if I stick around after my journey is over or not. It COULD be a cool place to hang out and lend support because it's an incredibly emotional and life changing journey.....but I deal with enough crap irl, no way I'm coming on VJ for added grief. I'm happy about this post, because now I don't feel like everyone is in the clique and doesn't see what I see.




It's always good to hear from members who normally don't post because they've been bullied into silence. good.gif yes.gif


I don't think that the above poster was 'bullied into silence', Steven...if she makes a choice to post or leave, that's her choice. It's not that she's 'afraid of the bullies' so much that she doesn't post.

There's a difference to a personality conflict where two adults simply don't click in temperment, and bullying.

I think it's all in perspective, really. We can each look at a person and walk away with different opinions. Bully is a bit OTT, no? No one here's gonna get a faceful of dirt shoved in his/her face during recess. People will agree, people will disagree. And some people are 'bullies' and some are 'wussies', and everything in between....at the end of the day...if you don't get on with someone, one should either manually or automatically ignore that person. Problem solved.

This thread, to me, reads like passive aggressive finger pointing at it's worst. We're all adults here. We all make our own choices. To have to place blame for one's choices on a stranger seems silly to me.

If you don't like someone, ignore him/her. If that person is iyo out of line...report that person and let admin deal with it. We're not all going to agree....we're not all going to like each other. And we're all at a stage of a v frustrating process...so naturally the stress level is going to be high sometimes. The answer is not having to wrap everything in cotton wool and walk on eggshells in fear of offending someone.


Your "aggressive finger pointing at its worst" hits this thread square in the middle..I agree with you. I do not post
often due to the hateful comments that I read. As you say, I ignore them....So I "paste" controversial threads just
to try to point out those who live here to spread hate and divisivness. But you got it right. I salute you.


A nod's as good as a wink to a blind bat. laughing.gif
humpkinpumpkin
QUOTE(Mister Fancypants @ Nov 10 2007, 04:35 PM) *
QUOTE(LaL @ Nov 10 2007, 01:21 PM) *
The only thing that comes to mind is - we have a whole slew of ways to report issues on the forum. As it stands now, there are written TOS with ranges of responses should they be broken, report/praise tool (which we *do* use), PMs to mods admin, and Report button directly to Captain. Is there a need for additional tools to squelch was is perceived as bully/troll behaviour? Not questioning the request, just truly curious.



For me, knowing the 'praise' and 'report' drop down button will alert you moderators to keep an eye on certain individuals, then I think that's adequate. It would be nice to see a moderator publicly admonish a bully when they are ridiculing someone's post instead of adding anything constructive to the discussion. That would go a long way in keeping them in check, IMO. A simple, "(Name of Person), turn it down a notch," would be great. star_smile.gif



For what it's worth I wholeheartedly disagree with this tactic unless it is done on an equal basis. If it is not done with equality in mind then it will seem as though the mods are singling one person out, when there very well may be quite a few at fault. In the end all it does is publically embarass one or two individuals and the rest get away with things without public humiliation if the mods are busy at the time of their particular offense.

Just my two cents.
Mister Fancypants
QUOTE(bridget @ Dec 7 2007, 08:43 AM) *
For what it's worth I wholeheartedly disagree with this tactic unless it is done on an equal basis. If it is not done with equality in mind then it will seem as though the mods are singling one person out, when there very well may be quite a few at fault. In the end all it does is publically embarass one or two individuals and the rest get away with things without public humiliation if the mods are busy at the time of their particular offense.

Just my two cents.



Thanks. I appreciate your input. yes.gif I'm going to refrain from adding anything more to the discussion beyond what has already been said.
Nagishkaw
Good idea.
eric&gen
Ric Flair matako were they the same person? Maybe an old member screwing aroud lol under the same names lol.
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