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*Len*
Oh Danielle, I feel for you sweetie rose.gif
Krikit
Awwww, you guys. We really know how you feel. Group hug.



And if it appears as if I'm online but I'm not responding it's because Comcast is having technical difficulties in my area and the service keeps shutting down. mad.gif But VJ still sees me as logged in so.... Click to view attachment
IR5FORMUMSIE
QUOTE(Ontarkie @ Apr 17 2008, 11:27 AM) *
I'm tired of waiting too. Its been since Jan since we saw each other we dont even have web cams. We had our interview in march and i was fine with the wait up till then, even when i knew we would not get the visas that day cause i didnt have that dang court paper that ive been fighting for since last summer. Yup i was all prepared for a bit a bit longer but know its been a month since they got that dam stupid piece of paper that tells them the exact thing i told them. and still they havent gotten off their butts to send me back my passprts with the visas in em. The last email i sent them they told me the consul would review my file soon thats it and that was over a week ago now.

I've been sick for a month think its the stress hitting me hard. I got pneumonia then had a reaction the the first meds they put me on then it took my family doctor 4 days to get back to me and change what i was on.Then i ended up in the hospital Tuesday night cause i cant breath i'm asthmatic too. Spent 5 hours there getting treatment after treatment and then chest xrays and find out the meds my doctor switched me too are useless for pnuemonia so i get another one and now things are getting harder to give me since i'm allegic to 2 kinds they like to use.

So ya i'm freaking out. My house is sold, i'm outta here on the 30th, I have 4 kids 1 dog 2cats a hamster and a bird to deal with moving somewhere temp if we dont get our visas soon plus on top of that we still got to get that troup to Arkansas from the Sault 2 days trip freaking out time has set in really really big time. I'm on the verge of crying 24/7 oh ya and on top of all that, ive never been anywhere in my life i live 30mins from where i grew up. Every thing has me freaked out at the moment I dont even want to think obout how my kids are going to adjust to schools that have houndreds of other kids in them the school they are in now has less then a 100 and thats jk to grade 8 the older 2 in highshool will be going from a couple houndred to over a 1000 ya mommy is freaking out ive goone so far as to researching home schooling. I'm going to be no wait I have already lost my mind. I just want to scream yell and cry. Its the not knowing thats killing me now the wait till now has been fine my troup kepted me busy but now they are annoyed about still being here and are ready to go.

Ok going to stop now cause I will just keep thinking of more stuff to freak me out. Oh ya really sorry about the typos and grammer stuff i suck at it on a good day.

Danielle

It is a scary experience but one thing at a time. Too often we look beyond what's on the horizon and freak out. If you need to scream let it out. Go for a walk with the dog, play with the cats, try to zone out. Works pretty well for us OC types. good.gif Now you will send an e-mail everyday until you get a response. That's one concrete step you can take. You've got the kids and a loving spouse to help you with the transition to Arkansas. If the trip takes one day or ten days it doesn't matter. There is no rush so there is no need to drive to the point of exhaustion, do not emulate Mumsie or his brothers. Lets' not worry about that now. Send an e-mail to MTL and have a cookie and a glass of milk. heart.gif
IR5FORMUMSIE
QUOTE(Krikit @ Apr 17 2008, 06:37 AM) *
Wow! I can't believe your brother was 8 lbs at 7 months! Who knows what he would have been at 9! *shudder*

Lil' bro was a royal pain then and not much has changed. laughing.gif

QUOTE(Krikit @ Apr 17 2008, 06:37 AM) *
QUOTE(IR5FORMUMSIE @ Apr 16 2008, 05:34 PM) *
let alone three. laughing.gif I hated the muscles, once they're cut open they dry out, so that the next time you slice them, it is like cutting leather. The organs are just as bad. The lungs are the worst. The formaldehyde emulsifies the fat so it becomes yellowy, slimy goop. Which reminds me, I think I'll have steak for dinner. devil.gif

unsure.gif This doesn't have anything to do with that court case and the hiding of dead bodies, does it? tongue_ss.gif

Since members of the law enforcement community may be monitoring this communcation I can only say, no comment. laughing.gif
IR5FORMUMSIE
QUOTE(Krikit @ Apr 17 2008, 11:48 AM) *
Awwww, you guys. We really know how you feel. Group hug.



And if it appears as if I'm online but I'm not responding it's because Comcast is having technical difficulties in my area and the service keeps shutting down. mad.gif But VJ still sees me as logged in so.... Click to view attachment

Had the same problem with my internet for the last few days. I'm on wi-fi and the power lines in front of the house are leaking current, so the EM interference is pretty bad. crying.gif
Ontarkie
Thanks all, I think its been worse cause how sick i've been and being stuck in the house cause i cant walk more then 5 steps makes it hard to not think about stuff. I know the kids will be fine and even my paranoid mind will adjust with my wounderful man by my side. Thats the only way i'm going to survive this.

danielle
IR5FORMUMSIE
Laura, you'll be with Nick before you know it. It is only a bit longer, what's a few months, I think your love is a bit stronger than that. good.gif Good things come to those who wait. When you feel bad or lonely go for a walk in the sunshine. If that still does not cheer you up, you can always come here and have fun picking on my sister. laughing.gif Just remember take it easy on the old gal, she's not as resilient but a bit more pungent in comparison to us young whippersnappers. devil.gif
Ron/Sharon
QUOTE(IR5FORMUMSIE @ Apr 16 2008, 06:12 PM) *
I'm glad that you haven't let your relationship be defined by the aribtrary whims of some mindless beareaucrat whose dream in life is to be a breathalyzer. ranting33va.gif When Pop was in AP, I wasn't that worried because he doesn't worry that much about these things. These wasn't a sense of immediacy, "it'll come" was his refrain. With you I always felt bad about the whole thing. The fact that you had the decency to share your feelings during these very short days and long nights certainly was not lost on me. As a human being I couldn't help but be moved and now feel honoured to revel in the dawn of this time of providence, this time of mercy, this age of Fortunate Ron. Fortune favours the prepared mind and you are most certainly prepared. Please post when you feel the need, we will always pay homage to your silent dignity and unwavering resolve by reading them with the same. heart.gif heart.gif heart.gif

Thank you very much, at this time I find difficult to be wordly suppotive to others for fear of turning something good for them into a me, me, me thing and take away for them nad their time. I find it better to read, feel thier joy and thier sadness and not inject what I might concider insensitive because of our present position or my frame of mind.
I am definately not trying to be insensitive towards others by not being supportive on VJ, but I am definately trying to be cautious to the point of being overly so. Words are just words until as you did above put your heart and thought into them.
Thank you is not and never will be enough to express what Sharon and I wish we could say to everyone here that in thier own way have supported us.
You all have our love and our silent support
Ron and Sharon
~Laura and Nick~
Thanks guys star_smile.gif
You are the best, all of you.
You made me smile so much.
trailmix
Just read this thread. Ontarkie, I'm so glad you now have mail on it's way to you from Montreal!

Laura, hang in there, like everyone has said, soon you will be with Nick and smile.gif

Ron - i'm so happy to hear that you finally have some movement on your file! Will be so happy to hear of your approval - soon!
MissStacey
I need to vent about my Drivers license exam yesterday. I thought I could just try to "let it go" but I can't. The written part went fine- I was more nervous about the written than the actual driving.

The driving test- the girl was extremely unfriendly- she didn't speak very loudly or clearly so I had to ask her a few times to repeat herself. I thought everything was going along great- I was calm and in my opinion, driving very well. I have been driving for over 15 years- I wasn't cocky but I was confident in my driving abilities. I have always felt that I am a safe, courteous driver.


Anyway- we get back to the DMV and she tells to sit down and walks away. A little while later she comes back and tells me I almost failed the driving exam. She said I drive too fast. I said "Excuse me? I was never over the speed limit." She says "You don't have to be over the speed limit to be driving too fast." I was stunned- she told me she was passing me and went on about my driving exam. She told me the things I was good at too but I didn't hear much of what she said.

I know it shouldn't matter but I am still fuming over this. Being a speeder or overly fast driver is not me at all. I keep replaying the driving exam in my head and really feel I was I was driving at a safe and comfortable speed with the flow of the traffic.

I am happy I finally got it and don't have to deal with the DMV for another 4 years.





~Laura and Nick~
QUOTE(MissStacey @ Apr 18 2008, 09:00 AM) *
I need to vent about my Drivers license exam yesterday. I thought I could just try to "let it go" but I can't. The written part went fine- I was more nervous about the written than the actual driving.

The driving test- the girl was extremely unfriendly- she didn't speak very loudly or clearly so I had to ask her a few times to repeat herself. I thought everything was going along great- I was calm and in my opinion, driving very well. I have been driving for over 15 years- I wasn't cocky but I was confident in my driving abilities. I have always felt that I am a safe, courteous driver.


Anyway- we get back to the DMV and she tells to sit down and walks away. A little while later she comes back and tells me I almost failed the driving exam. She said I drive too fast. I said "Excuse me? I was never over the speed limit." She says "You don't have to be over the speed limit to be driving too fast." I was stunned- she told me she was passing me and went on about my driving exam. She told me the things I was good at too but I didn't hear much of what she said.

I know it shouldn't matter but I am still fuming over this. Being a speeder or overly fast driver is not me at all. I keep replaying the driving exam in my head and really feel I was I was driving at a safe and comfortable speed with the flow of the traffic.

I am happy I finally got it and don't have to deal with the DMV for another 4 years.


That's flipping ridiculous. mad.gif
I think sometimes they just give people a hard time out of boredom.
Let it slide off your back, you have your license, you KNOW you are a good driver, that's all that matters.
Screw her.
LOL wink.gif
*hugs*
CBR
Ok, that driver's test examiner makes me sick. And the thought of someone giving you a hard time out of boredom as Laura says (which is probably true) makes me even sicker. Someone needs to start watching over these government employees (EVERYWHERE in EVERY position from the peons (sp?) to the politicians etc...) and holding them accountable for their actions. I'm so sick of hearing about them getting away with abusing their authority (which they have way too much of in my opinion). I'm mostly miffed when it comes to border crossings and immigration issues, but the DMV has an awful reputation of being lazy, incompetent and basically a$$hats.
At least you got your license. I'm glad for that at least.
hheaven67
So, if this is a place to vent, here I go...
Jim and I were talking how nice it would be to just be able to fall asleep together, wake up together...the really simple things that MANY people take for granted...
I'd be more than happy to take the place of a US Citizen that is in an unhappy marriage and wants nothing more than to get away! Most people don't think about how GREAT it is to be loved and in a happy marriage (thinking back in MY first marriage, if it wasn't for my son, I dunno if I even would've gone 'home' it was soooo uncomfortable!)...all we want to do is start our life together...set some goals as to what we want to achieve together (as we'll be building a house in Oregon & moving there within a few years)...almost seems like at times, it's too much to ask for...
I'm not a religious person by any means but I thank God every night for allowing me to meet such a beautiful person and have him in my life as MY husband! We have complete and total respect for eachother, compliment eachother soooo very well, it's almost freaky sometimes...how we can be thinking the exact same thing and not even be talking about it until one of us mentions something...has been like that since day one. I thank God for answering my prayer after being a divorcee for 12 yrs.. Jim is more than I could have EVER asked for/wished for...

jen


~Laura and Nick~
Well I'm fcuking screwed.

I hadn't been to the dentist in 4 years. Finally, I got a good job where I actually have coverage and so, I went.

Just came back from my 4th appointment...
The first three were cleanings...today was 2 fillings.
I find out that I have a total of 9 cavities.
I have to go back twice more to get the rest done.

The two they filled today are deep and I will more than likely need a root canal with a crown.

I'm only covered for so much and I've already used over half of it. So all the money I've saved up since starting this new job will be over half gone.

I'm in tears and completely heartbroken. I was so proud of all the money I've saved and now....this sucks so bad. crying.gif

Nick says it's only paper and we will work through it together. I just can't believe I let it get this bad. I have beautiful teeth, white and straight but I guess looks are deceiving.
IR5FORMUMSIE
QUOTE(MissStacey @ Apr 18 2008, 08:00 AM) *
I need to vent about my Drivers license exam yesterday. I thought I could just try to "let it go" but I can't. The written part went fine- I was more nervous about the written than the actual driving.

The driving test- the girl was extremely unfriendly- she didn't speak very loudly or clearly so I had to ask her a few times to repeat herself. I thought everything was going along great- I was calm and in my opinion, driving very well. I have been driving for over 15 years- I wasn't cocky but I was confident in my driving abilities. I have always felt that I am a safe, courteous driver.


Anyway- we get back to the DMV and she tells to sit down and walks away. A little while later she comes back and tells me I almost failed the driving exam. She said I drive too fast. I said "Excuse me? I was never over the speed limit." She says "You don't have to be over the speed limit to be driving too fast." I was stunned- she told me she was passing me and went on about my driving exam. She told me the things I was good at too but I didn't hear much of what she said.

I know it shouldn't matter but I am still fuming over this. Being a speeder or overly fast driver is not me at all. I keep replaying the driving exam in my head and really feel I was I was driving at a safe and comfortable speed with the flow of the traffic.

I am happy I finally got it and don't have to deal with the DMV for another 4 years.

Well at least you passed. I went to DPS office in Texas for a road test and I failed. They gave me the spiel about work on your skills, come back later. The next day I passed. Only downside, the second road test had a female examiner who was a rather flatulent and the windows were up. crying.gif
IR5FORMUMSIE
QUOTE(hheaven67 @ Apr 18 2008, 11:16 AM) *
So, if this is a place to vent, here I go...
Jim and I were talking how nice it would be to just be able to fall asleep together, wake up together...the really simple things that MANY people take for granted...
I'd be more than happy to take the place of a US Citizen that is in an unhappy marriage and wants nothing more than to get away! Most people don't think about how GREAT it is to be loved and in a happy marriage (thinking back in MY first marriage, if it wasn't for my son, I dunno if I even would've gone 'home' it was soooo uncomfortable!)...all we want to do is start our life together...set some goals as to what we want to achieve together (as we'll be building a house in Oregon & moving there within a few years)...almost seems like at times, it's too much to ask for...
I'm not a religious person by any means but I thank God every night for allowing me to meet such a beautiful person and have him in my life as MY husband! We have complete and total respect for eachother, compliment eachother soooo very well, it's almost freaky sometimes...how we can be thinking the exact same thing and not even be talking about it until one of us mentions something...has been like that since day one. I thank God for answering my prayer after being a divorcee for 12 yrs.. Jim is more than I could have EVER asked for/wished for...

jen

Thanks for airing your innermost feelings. Your post was truly heartfelt and we are all better for you having posted what was, until now, ineffable. You have enunciated what everyone here knows but has been unable to express. Merci beaucoup! good.gif
liz_legend 'n Ol
Oliver just got his quote from the dentist. THey submitted a proposal to his insurance to find out how much all his work will cost b/c he hasn't been to a dentist in about 5 yrs +

His co-pay is coming to $1400

AND HE SUPPOSEDLY HAS A PRETTY DECENT PLAN!

that's for a deep cleaning, cavities and some other fun stuff

----------------------

So I know what you mean!
IR5FORMUMSIE
QUOTE(~Laura and Nick~ @ Apr 18 2008, 12:50 PM) *
Well I'm fcuking screwed.

I hadn't been to the dentist in 4 years. Finally, I got a good job where I actually have coverage and so, I went.

Just came back from my 4th appointment...
The first three were cleanings...today was 2 fillings.
I find out that I have a total of 9 cavities.
I have to go back twice more to get the rest done.

The two they filled today are deep and I will more than likely need a root canal with a crown.

I'm only covered for so much and I've already used over half of it. So all the money I've saved up since starting this new job will be over half gone.

I'm in tears and completely heartbroken. I was so proud of all the money I've saved and now....this sucks so bad. crying.gif

Nick says it's only paper and we will work through it together. I just can't believe I let it get this bad. I have beautiful teeth, white and straight but I guess looks are deceiving.

I have a confession, I'm a rabid anti-Dentite. laughing.gif I feel for you but a root canal can last a good long time and what most people don't realize is that the act of brushing your teeth actually damages the enamel as can grinding your teeth, various acidic foods and carbonic acid (pop) and even trying to gnaw through your own leg ( don't ask, growing up with Len as your sister was nothing if not interesting and more than a bit painful.) laughing.gif It is possible to have a perfectly healthy-looking tooth without even a cavity yet have enough microfissures in the enamel that there has been an insult to the pulp. I'm taking a wild guess, but by any chance were the caries in the molars? Depending on how many roots the tooth has, will affect the cost, since each root canal has to be obdurated with gutta percha (same stuff they use in golf balls.) Most people drink pop heavily and it is reflected in the increasing number of caries that are seen today.

BTW, there's an old mechanic's trick to unstick an engine that is seized with rust, pour a little pop in the cylinders and let it sit overnight. It works pretty well, and an engine is an alloy of iron and nickel. Can you imagine what the stuff will do to your teeth? crying.gif Always drink some water or gargle after drinking pop.
*Len*
QUOTE(~Laura and Nick~ @ Apr 18 2008, 10:50 AM) *
Well I'm fcuking screwed.

I hadn't been to the dentist in 4 years. Finally, I got a good job where I actually have coverage and so, I went.

Just came back from my 4th appointment...
The first three were cleanings...today was 2 fillings.
I find out that I have a total of 9 cavities.
I have to go back twice more to get the rest done.

The two they filled today are deep and I will more than likely need a root canal with a crown.

I'm only covered for so much and I've already used over half of it. So all the money I've saved up since starting this new job will be over half gone.

I'm in tears and completely heartbroken. I was so proud of all the money I've saved and now....this sucks so bad. crying.gif

Nick says it's only paper and we will work through it together. I just can't believe I let it get this bad. I have beautiful teeth, white and straight but I guess looks are deceiving.


Stinkers, I agree wit h comrade Nikolai on this one. You're better off doing it in Canada - believe me sister, health care in the US absolutely SUCKKKS, and it is beyond stupidly expensive!!!
liz_legend 'n Ol
and I agree, it only gets worse in the US
*Len*
QUOTE(liz_legend @ Apr 18 2008, 12:08 PM) *
and I agree, it only gets worse in the US


Don't I know that baby... don't I.... crying.gif
~Laura and Nick~
Thanks guys smile.gif
I've talked with my parents and they said that they are going to help me with whatever I have to pay beyond what I am covered.
I'm so so lucky to have them.
I'm crying I'm so happy.

I'm definitely going to take care of all of this before I move....I will have the last of the filings completely by the 9th of May so, that's a good thing.

Thanks for being here star_smile.gif
IR5FORMUMSIE
QUOTE(Len_and_Bren @ Apr 18 2008, 02:07 PM) *
QUOTE(~Laura and Nick~ @ Apr 18 2008, 10:50 AM) *
Well I'm fcuking screwed.

I hadn't been to the dentist in 4 years. Finally, I got a good job where I actually have coverage and so, I went.

Just came back from my 4th appointment...
The first three were cleanings...today was 2 fillings.
I find out that I have a total of 9 cavities.
I have to go back twice more to get the rest done.

The two they filled today are deep and I will more than likely need a root canal with a crown.

I'm only covered for so much and I've already used over half of it. So all the money I've saved up since starting this new job will be over half gone.

I'm in tears and completely heartbroken. I was so proud of all the money I've saved and now....this sucks so bad. crying.gif

Nick says it's only paper and we will work through it together. I just can't believe I let it get this bad. I have beautiful teeth, white and straight but I guess looks are deceiving.


Stinkers, I agree wit h comrade Nikolai on this one. You're better off doing it in Canada - believe me sister, health care in the US absolutely SUCKKKS, and it is beyond stupidly expensive!!!

You have no idea Sis. I just looked at some of the billing sheets for hospital services for bro' and I was shocked. Even bro' was saying WTF, this is insane. Every time bro' does a history and physical, the hospital bills insurance $600. crying.gif Canuckistan produces its fair share of quacks unfortunately. At least here you only sacrifice your health and not your health and your savings. crying.gif
~Laura and Nick~
QUOTE(IR5FORMUMSIE @ Apr 18 2008, 02:59 PM) *
I have a confession, I'm a rabid anti-Dentite. laughing.gif I feel for you but a root canal can last a good long time and what most people don't realize is that the act of brushing your teeth actually damages the enamel as can grinding your teeth, various acidic foods and carbonic acid (pop) and even trying to gnaw through your own leg ( don't ask, growing up with Len as your sister was nothing if not interesting and more than a bit painful.) laughing.gif It is possible to have a perfectly healthy-looking tooth without even a cavity yet have enough microfissures in the enamel that there has been an insult to the pulp. I'm taking a wild guess, but by any chance were the caries in the molars? Depending on how many roots the tooth has, will affect the cost, since each root canal has to be obdurated with gutta percha (same stuff they use in golf balls.) Most people drink pop heavily and it is reflected in the increasing number of caries that are seen today.

BTW, there's an old mechanic's trick to unstick an engine that is seized with rust, pour a little pop in the cylinders and let it sit overnight. It works pretty well, and an engine is an alloy of iron and nickel. Can you imagine what the stuff will do to your teeth? crying.gif Always drink some water or gargle after drinking pop.


laughing.gif IR....smile.gif
Yeah, it's all molars....I only need one root canal, or so he said so...sigh. I'll work it out.
I don't drink pop...lol ew!
flames9
few yrs back, wife badly sprained her ankle! Went to the ER. Sat there for like 3 hrs, finally got admitted. Saw the Dr for all of 2 minutes, had an xray to confirm nothing broken, and that was it!! Bil was close to $1500!. Luckily we have insurance. Since she had an xray, they did a pregnancy test, same one u buy at ur pharmacy for $20, they charged $60,lol Hospitals are not here to make ya better, there here to make $$$$
IR5FORMUMSIE
QUOTE(~Laura and Nick~ @ Apr 18 2008, 02:43 PM) *
QUOTE(IR5FORMUMSIE @ Apr 18 2008, 02:59 PM) *
I have a confession, I'm a rabid anti-Dentite. laughing.gif I feel for you but a root canal can last a good long time and what most people don't realize is that the act of brushing your teeth actually damages the enamel as can grinding your teeth, various acidic foods and carbonic acid (pop) and even trying to gnaw through your own leg ( don't ask, growing up with Len as your sister was nothing if not interesting and more than a bit painful.) laughing.gif It is possible to have a perfectly healthy-looking tooth without even a cavity yet have enough microfissures in the enamel that there has been an insult to the pulp. I'm taking a wild guess, but by any chance were the caries in the molars? Depending on how many roots the tooth has, will affect the cost, since each root canal has to be obdurated with gutta percha (same stuff they use in golf balls.) Most people drink pop heavily and it is reflected in the increasing number of caries that are seen today.

BTW, there's an old mechanic's trick to unstick an engine that is seized with rust, pour a little pop in the cylinders and let it sit overnight. It works pretty well, and an engine is an alloy of iron and nickel. Can you imagine what the stuff will do to your teeth? crying.gif Always drink some water or gargle after drinking pop.


laughing.gif IR.... smile.gif
Yeah, it's all molars....I only need one root canal, or so he said so...sigh. I'll work it out.
I don't drink pop...lol ew!


Each molar can have 3 roots (a bit rare) or 4 roots (common), 5 roots (pretty rare) or more. Each one has to be cleaned out and sealed before a crown can be put on. Sometimes the roots can be s-shaped which is royal pain to clean and obdurate. A dentist usually charges $200 or so per root. Everybody hates root canals, even the dentist but at least he or she gets paid. crying.gif
Ontarkie
Aww Laura that sucks, glad your parents are able to help you out.
CBR
Does Nick have dental insurance? Might be lots cheaper here actually. I have dental and don't pay much at all for dental care and my dentist is top notch. And root canals are covered. I realize not everyone in the US has dental, but if he does...

Sounds like you have your mind made up already though...hope it doesn't get too expensive!! That really stinks. The money would be better spent on your honeymoon. At least if he does have dental, you can go in for your regular checkups and avoid yucky work like this in the future. And for those visits (preventative) you don't pay a dime usually. Perhaps a sterilization fee of $5, but that's it.
~Laura and Nick~
QUOTE(CBR @ Apr 18 2008, 04:44 PM) *
Does Nick have dental insurance? Might be lots cheaper here actually. I have dental and don't pay much at all for dental care and my dentist is top notch. And root canals are covered. I realize not everyone in the US has dental, but if he does...

Sounds like you have your mind made up already though...hope it doesn't get too expensive!! That really stinks. The money would be better spent on your honeymoon. At least if he does have dental, you can go in for your regular checkups and avoid yucky work like this in the future. And for those visits (preventative) you don't pay a dime usually. Perhaps a sterilization fee of $5, but that's it.


Yes, Nick has full dental coverage.
That's good to know for the future so I can go for regular check ups. good.gif
My parents are offering to pay for anything that is not covered under my benefits so...I'm quite lucky.
I feel bad though...

Thanks hon rose.gif
IR5FORMUMSIE
QUOTE(CBR @ Apr 18 2008, 03:44 PM) *
Does Nick have dental insurance? Might be lots cheaper here actually. I have dental and don't pay much at all for dental care and my dentist is top notch. And root canals are covered. I realize not everyone in the US has dental, but if he does...

Sounds like you have your mind made up already though...hope it doesn't get too expensive!! That really stinks. The money would be better spent on your honeymoon. At least if he does have dental, you can go in for your regular checkups and avoid yucky work like this in the future. And for those visits (preventative) you don't pay a dime usually. Perhaps a sterilization fee of $5, but that's it.

Good point CBR, I believe that this is true. good.gif Canadian dentists tend to be more expensive than US dentists.
Delicia
ranting33va.gif

That is all.
*Len*
QUOTE(Delicia @ Apr 18 2008, 02:13 PM) *
ranting33va.gif

That is all.


OH REALLY??????????? Well, I'll take your ranting33va.gif and double you a triple protest6wz.gif ranting33va.gif protest6wz.gif ranting33va.gif -- so there tongue.gif
~Laura and Nick~
QUOTE(Len_and_Bren @ Apr 18 2008, 05:17 PM) *
QUOTE(Delicia @ Apr 18 2008, 02:13 PM) *
ranting33va.gif

That is all.


OH REALLY??????????? Well, I'll take your ranting33va.gif and double you a triple protest6wz.gif ranting33va.gif protest6wz.gif ranting33va.gif -- so there tongue.gif


crying.gif
*Len*
Laura: STFU. NOW. rofl.gif
IR5FORMUMSIE
QUOTE(Len_and_Bren @ Apr 18 2008, 04:19 PM) *
Laura: STFU. NOW. rofl.gif

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and *&%#. You read it right folks. laughing.gif
~Laura and Nick~
QUOTE(IR5FORMUMSIE @ Apr 18 2008, 05:23 PM) *
QUOTE(Len_and_Bren @ Apr 18 2008, 04:19 PM) *
Laura: STFU. NOW. rofl.gif

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and *&%#. You read it right folks. laughing.gif


ohmy.gif
Heart = broken
crying.gif
IR5FORMUMSIE
QUOTE(~Laura and Nick~ @ Apr 18 2008, 04:25 PM) *
QUOTE(IR5FORMUMSIE @ Apr 18 2008, 05:23 PM) *
QUOTE(Len_and_Bren @ Apr 18 2008, 04:19 PM) *
Laura: STFU. NOW. rofl.gif

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and *&%#. You read it right folks. laughing.gif


ohmy.gif
Heart = broken
crying.gif


I am so sorry Laura but you know how granma brings out the worst in me. laughing.gif
*Len*
QUOTE(IR5FORMUMSIE @ Apr 18 2008, 02:31 PM) *
QUOTE(~Laura and Nick~ @ Apr 18 2008, 04:25 PM) *
QUOTE(IR5FORMUMSIE @ Apr 18 2008, 05:23 PM) *
QUOTE(Len_and_Bren @ Apr 18 2008, 04:19 PM) *
Laura: STFU. NOW. rofl.gif

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and *&%#. You read it right folks. laughing.gif


ohmy.gif
Heart = broken
crying.gif


I am so sorry Laura but you know how granma brings out the worst in me. laughing.gif


Laura, Mumsie - to your rooms without dinner. NOW. rofl.gif
~Laura and Nick~
QUOTE(Len_and_Bren @ Apr 18 2008, 05:34 PM) *
Laura, Mumsie - to your rooms without dinner. NOW. rofl.gif


HAHAHA! You can't make me...just try and catch me granny! Don't trip over your cane and shawl!!!! tongue.gif
*Len*
QUOTE(~Laura and Nick~ @ Apr 18 2008, 02:35 PM) *
QUOTE(Len_and_Bren @ Apr 18 2008, 05:34 PM) *
Laura, Mumsie - to your rooms without dinner. NOW. rofl.gif


HAHAHA! You can't make me...just try and catch me granny! Don't trip over your cane and shawl!!!! tongue.gif



You should know by now that my BFF will sooooooo retaliate:





Now - go to your darn rooms already.
~Laura and Nick~
QUOTE(Len_and_Bren @ Apr 18 2008, 05:45 PM) *
QUOTE(~Laura and Nick~ @ Apr 18 2008, 02:35 PM) *
QUOTE(Len_and_Bren @ Apr 18 2008, 05:34 PM) *
Laura, Mumsie - to your rooms without dinner. NOW. rofl.gif


HAHAHA! You can't make me...just try and catch me granny! Don't trip over your cane and shawl!!!! tongue.gif



You should know by now that my BFF will sooooooo retaliate:





Now - go to your darn rooms already.


You are BFF with Yoda?
*cough*
LOSER!! LOLZ
IR5FORMUMSIE
QUOTE(~Laura and Nick~ @ Apr 18 2008, 04:54 PM) *
QUOTE(Len_and_Bren @ Apr 18 2008, 05:45 PM) *
QUOTE(~Laura and Nick~ @ Apr 18 2008, 02:35 PM) *
QUOTE(Len_and_Bren @ Apr 18 2008, 05:34 PM) *
Laura, Mumsie - to your rooms without dinner. NOW. rofl.gif


HAHAHA! You can't make me...just try and catch me granny! Don't trip over your cane and shawl!!!! tongue.gif



You should know by now that my BFF will sooooooo retaliate:





Now - go to your darn rooms already.


You are BFF with Yoda?
*cough*
LOSER!! LOLZ


Tsk, tsk, Laura don't be too cross with Granma, she hasn't her prune juice today and you know how that makes her. laughing.gif
MissStacey
QUOTE(~Laura and Nick~ @ Apr 18 2008, 02:29 PM) *
Thanks guys smile.gif
I've talked with my parents and they said that they are going to help me with whatever I have to pay beyond what I am covered.
I'm so so lucky to have them.
I'm crying I'm so happy.

I'm definitely going to take care of all of this before I move....I will have the last of the filings completely by the 9th of May so, that's a good thing.

Thanks for being here star_smile.gif

That is great!! Its so good to have nice parents! smile.gif

P.S.- you do have amazingly beautiful teeth.

As far as the root canal goes- you can always hold off. If the tooth is extremely sensitive and really bothers you or starts to hurt then you may want to go for it.

I don't know if you have ever had one before- it really isn't that bad to go through.

*Len*
QUOTE(IR5FORMUMSIE @ Apr 18 2008, 03:11 PM) *
QUOTE(~Laura and Nick~ @ Apr 18 2008, 04:54 PM) *
QUOTE(Len_and_Bren @ Apr 18 2008, 05:45 PM) *
QUOTE(~Laura and Nick~ @ Apr 18 2008, 02:35 PM) *
QUOTE(Len_and_Bren @ Apr 18 2008, 05:34 PM) *
Laura, Mumsie - to your rooms without dinner. NOW. rofl.gif


HAHAHA! You can't make me...just try and catch me granny! Don't trip over your cane and shawl!!!! tongue.gif



You should know by now that my BFF will sooooooo retaliate:





Now - go to your darn rooms already.


You are BFF with Yoda?
*cough*
LOSER!! LOLZ


Tsk, tsk, Laura don't be too cross with Granma, she hasn't her prune juice today and you know how that makes her. laughing.gif



OK FREAKS - THAT'S ENOUGH. rofl.gif

IR5FORMUMSIE
QUOTE(MissStacey @ Apr 18 2008, 06:16 PM) *
QUOTE(~Laura and Nick~ @ Apr 18 2008, 02:29 PM) *
Thanks guys smile.gif
I've talked with my parents and they said that they are going to help me with whatever I have to pay beyond what I am covered.
I'm so so lucky to have them.
I'm crying I'm so happy.

I'm definitely going to take care of all of this before I move....I will have the last of the filings completely by the 9th of May so, that's a good thing.

Thanks for being here star_smile.gif

That is great!! Its so good to have nice parents! smile.gif

P.S.- you do have amazingly beautiful teeth.

As far as the root canal goes- you can always hold off. If the tooth is extremely sensitive and really bothers you or starts to hurt then you may want to go for it.

I don't know if you have ever had one before- it really isn't that bad to go through.


good.gif I thought Laura was in pain. She does have great teeth, of course she doesn't go around biting people. GRRRRR. devil.gif
~Laura and Nick~
QUOTE(IR5FORMUMSIE @ Apr 18 2008, 07:33 PM) *
good.gif I thought Laura was in pain. She does have great teeth, of course she doesn't go around biting people. GRRRRR. devil.gif


I don't? innocent.gif
ROAR!!!! girlwerewolf2xn.gif
Kidding kidding wink.gif



QUOTE(MissStacey @ Apr 18 2008, 07:16 PM) *
That is great!! Its so good to have nice parents! smile.gif

P.S.- you do have amazingly beautiful teeth.

As far as the root canal goes- you can always hold off. If the tooth is extremely sensitive and really bothers you or starts to hurt then you may want to go for it.

I don't know if you have ever had one before- it really isn't that bad to go through.


Thanks hon!
Yeah, root canal always sounded soooo scary and painful to me...but many people say it's not that bad.
I'm not in pain at all and he's filled the teeth that are the ones doomed for the root canal which he says will delay in the need for one.
So we'll see.
smile.gif

Hugs hon! star_smile.gif
DeadPoolX
QUOTE(flames9 @ Apr 18 2008, 02:55 PM) *
few yrs back, wife badly sprained her ankle! Went to the ER. Sat there for like 3 hrs, finally got admitted. Saw the Dr for all of 2 minutes, had an xray to confirm nothing broken, and that was it!! Bil was close to $1500!. Luckily we have insurance. Since she had an xray, they did a pregnancy test, same one u buy at ur pharmacy for $20, they charged $60,lol Hospitals are not here to make ya better, there here to make $$$$

That really depends on the type of hospital you go to. If you head to a private hospital, sure -- they want to make money, why wouldn't they? The only way they can stay in business is by charging patients. They get absolutely zero from the government. However, private hospitals generally have the latest-and-greatest in medical technology and gain the best physicians, since these places are the nicest working environments to be in and offer the highest income potential (this, of course, differs by region).

State-run hospitals (and we do have some of these, although they are of much lower quality, as is the case with government-run healthcare) are free to the public. But you can expect huge lines, tons of people (most of whom would you could classify as "unsavory" characters, such as your homeless, drug users, drug pushers, pimps, hookers, and sometimes a dead person is even "dropped off" as well), including a general lack of overall supplies, room to house the patients, and the necessary staff (physicians, nurses, techs, etc) to deal with the high influx of patients. All in all, state-run hospitals are very much a nightmare. However, they don't cost upfront nor do you require health insurance (these are paid for by taxation), so if you are completely broke or some wandering vagabond, these places might be your only bet.

IR5FORMUMSIE
QUOTE(DeadPoolX @ Apr 19 2008, 09:23 AM) *
QUOTE(flames9 @ Apr 18 2008, 02:55 PM) *
few yrs back, wife badly sprained her ankle! Went to the ER. Sat there for like 3 hrs, finally got admitted. Saw the Dr for all of 2 minutes, had an xray to confirm nothing broken, and that was it!! Bil was close to $1500!. Luckily we have insurance. Since she had an xray, they did a pregnancy test, same one u buy at ur pharmacy for $20, they charged $60,lol Hospitals are not here to make ya better, there here to make $$$$

That really depends on the type of hospital you go to. If you head to a private hospital, sure -- they want to make money, why wouldn't they? The only way they can stay in business is by charging patients. They get absolutely zero from the government. However, private hospitals generally have the latest-and-greatest in medical technology and gain the best physicians, since these places are the nicest working environments to be in and offer the highest income potential (this, of course, differs by region).

State-run hospitals (and we do have some of these, although they are of much lower quality, as is the case with government-run healthcare) are free to the public. But you can expect huge lines, tons of people (most of whom would you could classify as "unsavory" characters, such as your homeless, drug users, drug pushers, pimps, hookers, and sometimes a dead person is even "dropped off" as well), including a general lack of overall supplies, room to house the patients, and the necessary staff (physicians, nurses, techs, etc) to deal with the high influx of patients. All in all, state-run hospitals are very much a nightmare. However, they don't cost upfront nor do you require health insurance (these are paid for by taxation), so if you are completely broke or some wandering vagabond, these places might be your only bet.



I must disagree with your statements as being too broad and general and in some cases false. It might be different in Houston or DC but in many places in the US private hospitals as you have described do not exist but are of the co-pay variety. Many of the pure private hospitals you describe also get plenty of state and federal funding, frequently via fraud or other deceptive practices. Ask the Hospital Corporation of America (Sen. Bill Frist and family) who paid $1.8 billion dollars in fines or check with the GAO (Government Accounting Office). State-run and federal facilities (VA hospitals, etc.) aren't the only ones who operate using taxation, but at least they offer some representation and oversight. No taxation without representation, where have I heard that before? Government or private insurance plans cover at least a part of the bill for many patients. Is government-run healthcare better or worse than private plans. It depends on what the parameters of resource allocation are. To state that only the best doctors go to private hospitals is a vast generalization and specious at best and downright mendacious at worst. I would go to San Francisco General or Massachusetts General any day of the week. The US model is certainly different than the Canadian model with good and bad in each. There are many working poor or homeless that are hardly unsavoury, so your qualifier should have been worded slightly differently perhaps. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of dumps but still I always thought that hospitals were there to heal the sick, not to make money or cast aspersions on the clientele. Then again, what do I know?
DeadPoolX
I've had the 99.9% of my experience with hospitals in Houston, so when I think of "public" hospitals, the first one to come to mind would be Ben Taub. I realize they've cleaned up their act some over the years, but overall, that place is a warzone and no one I know would ever elect to go there. Perhaps there are some government-run hospitals in the U.S. that are good, but in my experience, I have not seen them.

The type of patients entering the hospital do matter to some degree. If the patients coming into the hospital cannot afford to pay for their care and are, for lack of a better word, criminals (I realize homeless individuals aren't breaking the law, but drug pushers and pimps/hookers are), it's never too long before violence tends to erupt. In Ben Taub, for instance, it's not uncommon to see people walking in holding firearms or even, at times, taking a pot shot at one another. You'd be hard-pressed to see this at a private institution in an upperclass area.

As for hospitals making money... yes, the main reason hospitals exist is to house the sick while they are being treated. However, they must receive funds from somewhere. Unless they are being completely subsidized by the government, they need to gain income from patients using their facilities. It costs a lot to run a hospital -- how do you think they make use of their medical technology and employ their large staff, which is needed to work around the clock? If a hospital can't make a profit, it will ultimately be forced to shut down and then no one gets care. I fail to see how that benefits society.
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