Moammad- I know this isn't my business, but you brought it to a public place and I'm not fasting so don't worry about getting me any forgiveness for this.
Only you two know how the conversation wentobviously, but actions speak louder anyway and you left her. She didn't leave you. Thats your wife. Not a girlfriend or roonmate, thats your wife. You promised her, God and everybody that you were going to love, respect, comfort, support, and protect her and be faithful forever and ever and theres no way she's so bad to you you can't do it. No way.
About the green card...you don't like her saying she was used, but actions still speak louder than words and you have this "proof" she was so horrible to you but you didn't leave one minute before securing your status.
Noone in your family speaks any english?? Noone? I doubt that but whatever, they know arabic and if they had even the smallest amount of respect for Jackie or marriage at all, they would have told you to go home and fix this. The only thing that makes sense about their silence is that they knew what you were up to all along.
And where did you go? to some house full of male cousins that all suffered their own painful, unfortunate tragic situations just like yours...One would think they of all people would understand your pain, and tell you how lucky you are to have a faithful wife that loves you and to go home and fix this before its too late. No way can they have even the smallest amount of respect for Jackie or marriage at all, or they would have sent you straight home. The only thing that makes sense is that they knew what you were up to all along.
By the way, its really creepy of you to be following her aound the internet trying to derail any support and comfort she might get from her friends here. Its really bad enough that you deliberately took yours away from her, you are a steaming dog turd for invading the comfort she finds here.
Ok guys - this has potential to go very badly. Please refrain from the name calling or this thread will be locked. Thanks.
ETA : this is not a forum used to have a couple take swipes at each other. I would request Sea_Mirc and Jackie - should you need to discuss, please take it to PM or offline.
ETA : this is not a forum used to have a couple take swipes at each other. I would request Sea_Mirc and Jackie - should you need to discuss, please take it to PM or offline.
And another thing. The title of this thread asks why soooooo many cases get such long AP delays...This IS why!! I just deleted a long paragraph that wasn't nice...all I'm saying is we can thank the scammers out there for clogging the spousal visa system that they shouldn't be in in the first place. Its not funding or personnel shortages...its an overload of jokers abusing a system they shouldn't be in.
oops double post
QUOTE(sea_mirc @ Oct 5 2007, 01:39 AM) 
QUOTE(just_Jackie @ Oct 4 2007, 04:01 PM)
Did I hear my name? Baby, I got skills you never seen 
There is no way of knowing that you are being used for a greencard, til the day he slips off the ring and walks out the door. Was I suprised? Hell ya, all kinds of suprised. Was my 4 year-old granddaughter suprised? Oh yea, she misses Mohammed every damn day. Mohammed should win an Oscar for his stellar performance and also every one of his family, that embraced me for 5 years, only to NEVER call after he left, not one word from them. Mission accomplished, they can all come over now to America, job well done Mohammed.
Looking back, I wish his AP was 14 years instead of 14 days.
Jackie
Hi Sarah!
is this how u feel jackie now .. iam i used u for damen green card ?????? and u say u suprised ?? from what .. i think i should be the one who suprised not u .. and face the truth jackie . u did this and u asked me to take my ring off . and i gave u enough time to think before u breackup .. and u said NO . and plz dont use ur granddoughter on this coz u know how much i love her .. even till now i still have her pic's with me and in every where on my Room . iam not stelar and i will never be . and i have every thing to proof that wasnt my fult .. it's urs .. and u asked 4 it . and about my family .. u know how many times u trying to talk to them but they dont speake english so how do u wana them to contact u .. what to say .. all what i can say here jackie is may alla forgive u and blese u . take care of ur self .
Ok Mohammed I have a question. Let's say you and Jackie worked everything out then. You would go back home with her then, right?
Why can't someone discuss and share their opinions to try and figure out how to get through this immigration process without someone else attacking them and acting like we are rude? Sarah is a wonderful person and to help others she gets attacked unfairly by people who can't see the good she's doing. Please remember none of our cases are equal. Some went through faster than others, some had problems and others had very little or no problems. In short each of us are different, which makes our immigration cases different, there is no way they can be the same even cases at the same Consulate. But that doesn't mean we can't learn a lot from each other and try to figure out the process so others progress through this immigration from everyones experiences and shared information. For example, it's like we are are outsiders, standing outside a building (immigration process) looking inside a window trying to figure out what's going on so we can try and get what we want as soon as possible and trying to make it so we have no problems so it works out the best way for our own individual cases. This is human, and we should take the lessions we can learn to help apply them to our own cases to be successful. But I beg of everyone to be good humans and have some manners and be open to help and suggestions when that's what someone like Sarah is giving.
God Bless,
Paula
Geez, sorry, I guess my ideas were not welcome.
Once again those who haven't experienced a long AP aren't allowed to discuss. Gosh, I have been told that too many times lately.
I didn't realze that those waiting had insider information and were the only ones who could discuss this topic.
Sarah its just you come off in harsh way I don't know what it is discuss all you want
I am discussing. I don't see how my opinion is any harsher than others.
God Bless,
Paula
QUOTE(sarah and hicham @ Oct 4 2007, 12:50 PM)
QUOTE(water is wide @ Oct 4 2007, 09:49 AM)
QUOTE(sarah and hicham @ Oct 4 2007, 09:48 AM)
QUOTE(Jenn! @ Oct 4 2007, 09:42 AM)
QUOTE(water is wide @ Oct 4 2007, 12:40 PM)
I was wondering what other people WHO ARE IN ap were thinking as to why we are stuck there and to give us a chance to talk about this so overshadowing part of our daily existence
Geez, sorry, I guess my ideas were not welcome.
Once again those who haven't experienced a long AP aren't allowed to discuss. Gosh, I have been told that too many times lately.
I didn't realze that those waiting had insider information and were the only ones who could discuss this topic.
Sarah its just you come off in harsh way I don't know what it is discuss all you want
I am discussing. I don't see how my opinion is any harsher than others.
QUOTE(ohiobuck @ Oct 5 2007, 10:49 AM)
Why can't someone discuss and share their opinions to try and figure out how to get through this immigration process without someone else attacking them and acting like we are rude? Sarah is a wonderful person and to help others she gets attacked unfairly by people who can't see the good she's doing. Please remember none of our cases are equal. Some went through faster than others, some had problems and others had very little or no problems. In short each of us are different, which makes our immigration cases different, there is no way they can be the same even cases at the same Consulate. But that doesn't mean we can't learn a lot from each other and try to figure out the process so others progress through this immigration from everyones experiences and shared information. For example, it's like we are are outsiders, standing outside a building (immigration process) looking inside a window trying to figure out what's going on so we can try and get what we want as soon as possible and trying to make it so we have no problems so it works out the best way for our own individual cases. This is human, and we should take the lessions we can learn to help apply them to our own cases to be successful. But I beg of everyone to be good humans and have some manners and be open to help and suggestions when that's what someone like Sarah is giving.
God Bless,
Paula
Geez, sorry, I guess my ideas were not welcome.
Once again those who haven't experienced a long AP aren't allowed to discuss. Gosh, I have been told that too many times lately.
I didn't realze that those waiting had insider information and were the only ones who could discuss this topic.
Sarah its just you come off in harsh way I don't know what it is discuss all you want
I am discussing. I don't see how my opinion is any harsher than others.
God Bless,
Paula
QUOTE(sarah and hicham @ Oct 4 2007, 12:50 PM)
QUOTE(water is wide @ Oct 4 2007, 09:49 AM)
QUOTE(sarah and hicham @ Oct 4 2007, 09:48 AM)
QUOTE(Jenn! @ Oct 4 2007, 09:42 AM)
QUOTE(water is wide @ Oct 4 2007, 12:40 PM)
I was wondering what other people WHO ARE IN ap were thinking as to why we are stuck there and to give us a chance to talk about this so overshadowing part of our daily existence
Geez, sorry, I guess my ideas were not welcome.
Once again those who haven't experienced a long AP aren't allowed to discuss. Gosh, I have been told that too many times lately.
I didn't realze that those waiting had insider information and were the only ones who could discuss this topic.
Sarah its just you come off in harsh way I don't know what it is discuss all you want
I am discussing. I don't see how my opinion is any harsher than others.
I have good manners and am a good person Sarah has every right to her opinion. You don't need too scold me and Sara is a big girl quite eveidently always standing up fro herself
also If you care to read and quote my latter posts I clarified my feelings about this fairly and with honesty.
I don't even know you nor do you know me or my intentions, what advice was Sarah giving I missed? Maybe you find solace, wisdom and support in her words , I find her combative time and again on this site but that is my own opinion and her right.
I don't even know you nor do you know me or my intentions, what advice was Sarah giving I missed? Maybe you find solace, wisdom and support in her words , I find her combative time and again on this site but that is my own opinion and her right.
QUOTE(ohiobuck @ Oct 5 2007, 01:49 PM)
Why can't someone discuss and share their opinions to try and figure out how to get through this immigration process without someone else attacking them and acting like we are rude? Sarah is a wonderful person and to help others she gets attacked unfairly by people who can't see the good she's doing.
See you almost had me in the first sentence....
Water is Wide,
Did I address you????????????????? NO
I was addressing VJ, not just you.
Maybe you are too sensitve, seems like you think everyone is attacking you personally and it makes you unable to see sound words of advice, discussion and suggestions when they are offered. And I don't blame Sarah for defending herself when she gets attacked when people forget to keep their emotions out of things, so they can't look at issues in a new way to try and figure out how to be successful in the immigration process.
The following part was directed to everyone on VJ, and I'll try to make it clear. What's I've noticed is people jump at someones ideals/discussions without respecting the other right to have other ideals/opinions. That is when people make the mistake of forgetting their manners and people start acting like unfriendly people by try to shut people up they don't agree with. Or worse yet, they are afraid to hear from the other might be saying, because we all know the immigration process isn't always nice and fair. People have the right to their opinions, but others don't have the right to knock them for that. Please everyone remember to see how you appear to others when you post, it's very easy to become not a friendly person when you forget that.
Water is Wide,
I don't know you, you are probably a nice person, but from your posts I wouldn't have always said you are always nice as my first impression. Please don't forget what you say and do, how it appears to others, not just to yourself who knows yourself better than anyone else on VJ. So do until to others how you would have them do to yourself. And remember others have rights too, and how what you say might be viewed.
Plus I do not mean to insult, I am not trying to hurt anyone's feelings I am just pleading for people to be nice to each other, to listen to new thoughts and discussions and to use of our brains to succeed for our immigration cases.
If anyone is insulted by what I say, you haven't understand what I am trying to say. I am just trying to have peace and respect on VJ, even for those brave enough to give other thoughts.
God Bless,
Paula
Did I address you????????????????? NO
I was addressing VJ, not just you.
Maybe you are too sensitve, seems like you think everyone is attacking you personally and it makes you unable to see sound words of advice, discussion and suggestions when they are offered. And I don't blame Sarah for defending herself when she gets attacked when people forget to keep their emotions out of things, so they can't look at issues in a new way to try and figure out how to be successful in the immigration process.
The following part was directed to everyone on VJ, and I'll try to make it clear. What's I've noticed is people jump at someones ideals/discussions without respecting the other right to have other ideals/opinions. That is when people make the mistake of forgetting their manners and people start acting like unfriendly people by try to shut people up they don't agree with. Or worse yet, they are afraid to hear from the other might be saying, because we all know the immigration process isn't always nice and fair. People have the right to their opinions, but others don't have the right to knock them for that. Please everyone remember to see how you appear to others when you post, it's very easy to become not a friendly person when you forget that.
Water is Wide,
I don't know you, you are probably a nice person, but from your posts I wouldn't have always said you are always nice as my first impression. Please don't forget what you say and do, how it appears to others, not just to yourself who knows yourself better than anyone else on VJ. So do until to others how you would have them do to yourself. And remember others have rights too, and how what you say might be viewed.
Plus I do not mean to insult, I am not trying to hurt anyone's feelings I am just pleading for people to be nice to each other, to listen to new thoughts and discussions and to use of our brains to succeed for our immigration cases.
If anyone is insulted by what I say, you haven't understand what I am trying to say. I am just trying to have peace and respect on VJ, even for those brave enough to give other thoughts.
God Bless,
Paula
QUOTE(water is wide @ Oct 5 2007, 02:12 PM)
also If you care to read and quote my latter posts I clarified my feelings about this fairly and with honesty.
I don't even know you nor do you know me or my intentions, what advice was Sarah giving I missed? Maybe you find solace, wisdom and support in her words , I find her combative time and again on this site but that is my own opinion and her right.
I don't even know you nor do you know me or my intentions, what advice was Sarah giving I missed? Maybe you find solace, wisdom and support in her words , I find her combative time and again on this site but that is my own opinion and her right.
hello everyone 
Hello.....what's that I see, unicorns and fuzzy kitties and rainbows? ((((((((group hug))))))))))))
Jackie
You know what I think causes more tension/chaos in this forum more than anything else? People getting in each other's business and trying to fight each other's fights. If person A has a problem with person B, you know who's not involved with that? ME!
JMHO after having survived YEARS of this! LOL.
JMHO after having survived YEARS of this! LOL.
QUOTE(ohiobuck @ Oct 5 2007, 11:38 AM)
Water is Wide,
Did I address you????????????????? NO
I was addressing VJ, not just you.
Maybe you are too sensitve, seems like you think everyone is attacking you personally and it makes you unable to see sound words of advice, discussion and suggestions when they are offered. And I don't blame Sarah for defending herself when she gets attacked when people forget to keep their emotions out of things, so they can't look at issues in a new way to try and figure out how to be successful in the immigration process.
The following part was directed to everyone on VJ, and I'll try to make it clear. What's I've noticed is people jump at someones ideals/discussions without respecting the other right to have other ideals/opinions. That is when people make the mistake of forgetting their manners and people start acting like unfriendly people by try to shut people up they don't agree with. Or worse yet, they are afraid to hear from the other might be saying, because we all know the immigration process isn't always nice and fair. People have the right to their opinions, but others don't have the right to knock them for that. Please everyone remember to see how you appear to others when you post, it's very easy to become not a friendly person when you forget that.
Water is Wide,
I don't know you, you are probably a nice person, but from your posts I wouldn't have always said you are always nice as my first impression. Please don't forget what you say and do, how it appears to others, not just to yourself who knows yourself better than anyone else on VJ. So do until to others how you would have them do to yourself. And remember others have rights too, and how what you say might be viewed.
Plus I do not mean to insult, I am not trying to hurt anyone's feelings I am just pleading for people to be nice to each other, to listen to new thoughts and discussions and to use of our brains to succeed for our immigration cases.
If anyone is insulted by what I say, you haven't understand what I am trying to say. I am just trying to have peace and respect on VJ, even for those brave enough to give other thoughts.
God Bless,
Paula
Did I address you????????????????? NO
I was addressing VJ, not just you.
Maybe you are too sensitve, seems like you think everyone is attacking you personally and it makes you unable to see sound words of advice, discussion and suggestions when they are offered. And I don't blame Sarah for defending herself when she gets attacked when people forget to keep their emotions out of things, so they can't look at issues in a new way to try and figure out how to be successful in the immigration process.
The following part was directed to everyone on VJ, and I'll try to make it clear. What's I've noticed is people jump at someones ideals/discussions without respecting the other right to have other ideals/opinions. That is when people make the mistake of forgetting their manners and people start acting like unfriendly people by try to shut people up they don't agree with. Or worse yet, they are afraid to hear from the other might be saying, because we all know the immigration process isn't always nice and fair. People have the right to their opinions, but others don't have the right to knock them for that. Please everyone remember to see how you appear to others when you post, it's very easy to become not a friendly person when you forget that.
Water is Wide,
I don't know you, you are probably a nice person, but from your posts I wouldn't have always said you are always nice as my first impression. Please don't forget what you say and do, how it appears to others, not just to yourself who knows yourself better than anyone else on VJ. So do until to others how you would have them do to yourself. And remember others have rights too, and how what you say might be viewed.
Plus I do not mean to insult, I am not trying to hurt anyone's feelings I am just pleading for people to be nice to each other, to listen to new thoughts and discussions and to use of our brains to succeed for our immigration cases.
If anyone is insulted by what I say, you haven't understand what I am trying to say. I am just trying to have peace and respect on VJ, even for those brave enough to give other thoughts.
God Bless,
Paula
QUOTE(water is wide @ Oct 5 2007, 02:12 PM)
also If you care to read and quote my latter posts I clarified my feelings about this fairly and with honesty.
I don't even know you nor do you know me or my intentions, what advice was Sarah giving I missed? Maybe you find solace, wisdom and support in her words , I find her combative time and again on this site but that is my own opinion and her right.
I don't even know you nor do you know me or my intentions, what advice was Sarah giving I missed? Maybe you find solace, wisdom and support in her words , I find her combative time and again on this site but that is my own opinion and her right.
If your not directing it at me then don't use my quotes to make your point! Im not being overly sensitive and I have been kind and nice to everyone here, I don't get involved in the drama I see time to time, unlike others. If you have a direct problem with me I request you PM me in the future not write it in the forum. If you wanted to make this apply to all of Visa journey you shouldn't have started by using my quotes. Once again Sara is more than welcome to say whatever she likes I never said shes not a nice person I have nothing against her and I did nothing wrong!
QUOTE(just_Jackie @ Oct 5 2007, 02:46 PM)
Hello.....what's that I see, unicorns and fuzzy kitties and rainbows? ((((((((group hug))))))))))))
Jackie
Thank you Jackie
(((((((((((((((group hug)))))))))))))))))
QUOTE(water is wide @ Oct 5 2007, 02:50 PM)
QUOTE(ohiobuck @ Oct 5 2007, 11:38 AM)
Water is Wide,
Did I address you????????????????? NO
I was addressing VJ, not just you.
Maybe you are too sensitve, seems like you think everyone is attacking you personally and it makes you unable to see sound words of advice, discussion and suggestions when they are offered. And I don't blame Sarah for defending herself when she gets attacked when people forget to keep their emotions out of things, so they can't look at issues in a new way to try and figure out how to be successful in the immigration process.
The following part was directed to everyone on VJ, and I'll try to make it clear. What's I've noticed is people jump at someones ideals/discussions without respecting the other right to have other ideals/opinions. That is when people make the mistake of forgetting their manners and people start acting like unfriendly people by try to shut people up they don't agree with. Or worse yet, they are afraid to hear from the other might be saying, because we all know the immigration process isn't always nice and fair. People have the right to their opinions, but others don't have the right to knock them for that. Please everyone remember to see how you appear to others when you post, it's very easy to become not a friendly person when you forget that.
Water is Wide,
I don't know you, you are probably a nice person, but from your posts I wouldn't have always said you are always nice as my first impression. Please don't forget what you say and do, how it appears to others, not just to yourself who knows yourself better than anyone else on VJ. So do until to others how you would have them do to yourself. And remember others have rights too, and how what you say might be viewed.
Plus I do not mean to insult, I am not trying to hurt anyone's feelings I am just pleading for people to be nice to each other, to listen to new thoughts and discussions and to use of our brains to succeed for our immigration cases.
If anyone is insulted by what I say, you haven't understand what I am trying to say. I am just trying to have peace and respect on VJ, even for those brave enough to give other thoughts.
God Bless,
Paula
Did I address you????????????????? NO
I was addressing VJ, not just you.
Maybe you are too sensitve, seems like you think everyone is attacking you personally and it makes you unable to see sound words of advice, discussion and suggestions when they are offered. And I don't blame Sarah for defending herself when she gets attacked when people forget to keep their emotions out of things, so they can't look at issues in a new way to try and figure out how to be successful in the immigration process.
The following part was directed to everyone on VJ, and I'll try to make it clear. What's I've noticed is people jump at someones ideals/discussions without respecting the other right to have other ideals/opinions. That is when people make the mistake of forgetting their manners and people start acting like unfriendly people by try to shut people up they don't agree with. Or worse yet, they are afraid to hear from the other might be saying, because we all know the immigration process isn't always nice and fair. People have the right to their opinions, but others don't have the right to knock them for that. Please everyone remember to see how you appear to others when you post, it's very easy to become not a friendly person when you forget that.
Water is Wide,
I don't know you, you are probably a nice person, but from your posts I wouldn't have always said you are always nice as my first impression. Please don't forget what you say and do, how it appears to others, not just to yourself who knows yourself better than anyone else on VJ. So do until to others how you would have them do to yourself. And remember others have rights too, and how what you say might be viewed.
Plus I do not mean to insult, I am not trying to hurt anyone's feelings I am just pleading for people to be nice to each other, to listen to new thoughts and discussions and to use of our brains to succeed for our immigration cases.
If anyone is insulted by what I say, you haven't understand what I am trying to say. I am just trying to have peace and respect on VJ, even for those brave enough to give other thoughts.
God Bless,
Paula
QUOTE(water is wide @ Oct 5 2007, 02:12 PM)
also If you care to read and quote my latter posts I clarified my feelings about this fairly and with honesty.
I don't even know you nor do you know me or my intentions, what advice was Sarah giving I missed? Maybe you find solace, wisdom and support in her words , I find her combative time and again on this site but that is my own opinion and her right.
I don't even know you nor do you know me or my intentions, what advice was Sarah giving I missed? Maybe you find solace, wisdom and support in her words , I find her combative time and again on this site but that is my own opinion and her right.
If your not directing it at me then don't use my quotes to make your point! Im not being overly sensitive and I have been kind and nice to everyone here, I don't get involved in the drama I see time to time, unlike others. If you have a direct problem with me I request you PM me in the future not wrote it in the forum. If you wanted to make this apply to all of Visa journey you shouldn't have started by using my quotes. Once again Sara is more than welcome to say whatever she likes I never said shes not a nice person I have nothing against her and I did nothing wrong!
I have a right to disagree, and I disagree with you Water is Wide. I will drop it at that.
Paula
QUOTE(ohiobuck @ Oct 5 2007, 11:52 AM)
QUOTE(water is wide @ Oct 5 2007, 02:50 PM)
QUOTE(ohiobuck @ Oct 5 2007, 11:38 AM)
Water is Wide,
Did I address you????????????????? NO
I was addressing VJ, not just you.
Maybe you are too sensitve, seems like you think everyone is attacking you personally and it makes you unable to see sound words of advice, discussion and suggestions when they are offered. And I don't blame Sarah for defending herself when she gets attacked when people forget to keep their emotions out of things, so they can't look at issues in a new way to try and figure out how to be successful in the immigration process.
The following part was directed to everyone on VJ, and I'll try to make it clear. What's I've noticed is people jump at someones ideals/discussions without respecting the other right to have other ideals/opinions. That is when people make the mistake of forgetting their manners and people start acting like unfriendly people by try to shut people up they don't agree with. Or worse yet, they are afraid to hear from the other might be saying, because we all know the immigration process isn't always nice and fair. People have the right to their opinions, but others don't have the right to knock them for that. Please everyone remember to see how you appear to others when you post, it's very easy to become not a friendly person when you forget that.
Water is Wide,
I don't know you, you are probably a nice person, but from your posts I wouldn't have always said you are always nice as my first impression. Please don't forget what you say and do, how it appears to others, not just to yourself who knows yourself better than anyone else on VJ. So do until to others how you would have them do to yourself. And remember others have rights too, and how what you say might be viewed.
Plus I do not mean to insult, I am not trying to hurt anyone's feelings I am just pleading for people to be nice to each other, to listen to new thoughts and discussions and to use of our brains to succeed for our immigration cases.
If anyone is insulted by what I say, you haven't understand what I am trying to say. I am just trying to have peace and respect on VJ, even for those brave enough to give other thoughts.
God Bless,
Paula
Did I address you????????????????? NO
I was addressing VJ, not just you.
Maybe you are too sensitve, seems like you think everyone is attacking you personally and it makes you unable to see sound words of advice, discussion and suggestions when they are offered. And I don't blame Sarah for defending herself when she gets attacked when people forget to keep their emotions out of things, so they can't look at issues in a new way to try and figure out how to be successful in the immigration process.
The following part was directed to everyone on VJ, and I'll try to make it clear. What's I've noticed is people jump at someones ideals/discussions without respecting the other right to have other ideals/opinions. That is when people make the mistake of forgetting their manners and people start acting like unfriendly people by try to shut people up they don't agree with. Or worse yet, they are afraid to hear from the other might be saying, because we all know the immigration process isn't always nice and fair. People have the right to their opinions, but others don't have the right to knock them for that. Please everyone remember to see how you appear to others when you post, it's very easy to become not a friendly person when you forget that.
Water is Wide,
I don't know you, you are probably a nice person, but from your posts I wouldn't have always said you are always nice as my first impression. Please don't forget what you say and do, how it appears to others, not just to yourself who knows yourself better than anyone else on VJ. So do until to others how you would have them do to yourself. And remember others have rights too, and how what you say might be viewed.
Plus I do not mean to insult, I am not trying to hurt anyone's feelings I am just pleading for people to be nice to each other, to listen to new thoughts and discussions and to use of our brains to succeed for our immigration cases.
If anyone is insulted by what I say, you haven't understand what I am trying to say. I am just trying to have peace and respect on VJ, even for those brave enough to give other thoughts.
God Bless,
Paula
QUOTE(water is wide @ Oct 5 2007, 02:12 PM)
also If you care to read and quote my latter posts I clarified my feelings about this fairly and with honesty.
I don't even know you nor do you know me or my intentions, what advice was Sarah giving I missed? Maybe you find solace, wisdom and support in her words , I find her combative time and again on this site but that is my own opinion and her right.
I don't even know you nor do you know me or my intentions, what advice was Sarah giving I missed? Maybe you find solace, wisdom and support in her words , I find her combative time and again on this site but that is my own opinion and her right.
If your not directing it at me then don't use my quotes to make your point! Im not being overly sensitive and I have been kind and nice to everyone here, I don't get involved in the drama I see time to time, unlike others. If you have a direct problem with me I request you PM me in the future not wrote it in the forum. If you wanted to make this apply to all of Visa journey you shouldn't have started by using my quotes. Once again Sara is more than welcome to say whatever she likes I never said shes not a nice person I have nothing against her and I did nothing wrong!
I have a right to disagree, and I disagree with you Water is Wide. I will drop it at that.
Paula
QUOTE(water is wide @ Oct 5 2007, 11:56 AM)
QUOTE(ohiobuck @ Oct 5 2007, 11:52 AM)
QUOTE(water is wide @ Oct 5 2007, 02:50 PM)
QUOTE(ohiobuck @ Oct 5 2007, 11:38 AM)
Water is Wide,
Did I address you????????????????? NO
I was addressing VJ, not just you.
Maybe you are too sensitve, seems like you think everyone is attacking you personally and it makes you unable to see sound words of advice, discussion and suggestions when they are offered. And I don't blame Sarah for defending herself when she gets attacked when people forget to keep their emotions out of things, so they can't look at issues in a new way to try and figure out how to be successful in the immigration process.
The following part was directed to everyone on VJ, and I'll try to make it clear. What's I've noticed is people jump at someones ideals/discussions without respecting the other right to have other ideals/opinions. That is when people make the mistake of forgetting their manners and people start acting like unfriendly people by try to shut people up they don't agree with. Or worse yet, they are afraid to hear from the other might be saying, because we all know the immigration process isn't always nice and fair. People have the right to their opinions, but others don't have the right to knock them for that. Please everyone remember to see how you appear to others when you post, it's very easy to become not a friendly person when you forget that.
Water is Wide,
I don't know you, you are probably a nice person, but from your posts I wouldn't have always said you are always nice as my first impression. Please don't forget what you say and do, how it appears to others, not just to yourself who knows yourself better than anyone else on VJ. So do until to others how you would have them do to yourself. And remember others have rights too, and how what you say might be viewed.
Plus I do not mean to insult, I am not trying to hurt anyone's feelings I am just pleading for people to be nice to each other, to listen to new thoughts and discussions and to use of our brains to succeed for our immigration cases.
If anyone is insulted by what I say, you haven't understand what I am trying to say. I am just trying to have peace and respect on VJ, even for those brave enough to give other thoughts.
God Bless,
Paula
Did I address you????????????????? NO
I was addressing VJ, not just you.
Maybe you are too sensitve, seems like you think everyone is attacking you personally and it makes you unable to see sound words of advice, discussion and suggestions when they are offered. And I don't blame Sarah for defending herself when she gets attacked when people forget to keep their emotions out of things, so they can't look at issues in a new way to try and figure out how to be successful in the immigration process.
The following part was directed to everyone on VJ, and I'll try to make it clear. What's I've noticed is people jump at someones ideals/discussions without respecting the other right to have other ideals/opinions. That is when people make the mistake of forgetting their manners and people start acting like unfriendly people by try to shut people up they don't agree with. Or worse yet, they are afraid to hear from the other might be saying, because we all know the immigration process isn't always nice and fair. People have the right to their opinions, but others don't have the right to knock them for that. Please everyone remember to see how you appear to others when you post, it's very easy to become not a friendly person when you forget that.
Water is Wide,
I don't know you, you are probably a nice person, but from your posts I wouldn't have always said you are always nice as my first impression. Please don't forget what you say and do, how it appears to others, not just to yourself who knows yourself better than anyone else on VJ. So do until to others how you would have them do to yourself. And remember others have rights too, and how what you say might be viewed.
Plus I do not mean to insult, I am not trying to hurt anyone's feelings I am just pleading for people to be nice to each other, to listen to new thoughts and discussions and to use of our brains to succeed for our immigration cases.
If anyone is insulted by what I say, you haven't understand what I am trying to say. I am just trying to have peace and respect on VJ, even for those brave enough to give other thoughts.
God Bless,
Paula
QUOTE(water is wide @ Oct 5 2007, 02:12 PM)
also If you care to read and quote my latter posts I clarified my feelings about this fairly and with honesty.
I don't even know you nor do you know me or my intentions, what advice was Sarah giving I missed? Maybe you find solace, wisdom and support in her words , I find her combative time and again on this site but that is my own opinion and her right.
I don't even know you nor do you know me or my intentions, what advice was Sarah giving I missed? Maybe you find solace, wisdom and support in her words , I find her combative time and again on this site but that is my own opinion and her right.
If your not directing it at me then don't use my quotes to make your point! Im not being overly sensitive and I have been kind and nice to everyone here, I don't get involved in the drama I see time to time, unlike others. If you have a direct problem with me I request you PM me in the future not wrote it in the forum. If you wanted to make this apply to all of Visa journey you shouldn't have started by using my quotes. Once again Sara is more than welcome to say whatever she likes I never said shes not a nice person I have nothing against her and I did nothing wrong!
I have a right to disagree, and I disagree with you Water is Wide. I will drop it at that.
Paula
I have never felt everyone is attacking me..... so don't twist my words If Sara has a problem with what transpired do please have her PM me as well. I think its hella lame your using this forum for a soap box. Agree with me or not I really don't care you don't even know me
QUOTE(ohiobuck @ Oct 5 2007, 02:38 PM)
Water is Wide,
Did I address you????????????????? NO
I was addressing VJ, not just you.
Maybe you are too sensitve, seems like you think everyone is attacking you personally and it makes you unable to see sound words of advice, discussion and suggestions when they are offered. And I don't blame Sarah for defending herself when she gets attacked when people forget to keep their emotions out of things, so they can't look at issues in a new way to try and figure out how to be successful in the immigration process.
The following part was directed to everyone on VJ, and I'll try to make it clear. What's I've noticed is people jump at someones ideals/discussions without respecting the other right to have other ideals/opinions. That is when people make the mistake of forgetting their manners and people start acting like unfriendly people by try to shut people up they don't agree with. Or worse yet, they are afraid to hear from the other might be saying, because we all know the immigration process isn't always nice and fair. People have the right to their opinions, but others don't have the right to knock them for that. Please everyone remember to see how you appear to others when you post, it's very easy to become not a friendly person when you forget that.
Water is Wide,
I don't know you, you are probably a nice person, but from your posts I wouldn't have always said you are always nice as my first impression. Please don't forget what you say and do, how it appears to others, not just to yourself who knows yourself better than anyone else on VJ. So do until to others how you would have them do to yourself. And remember others have rights too, and how what you say might be viewed.
Plus I do not mean to insult, I am not trying to hurt anyone's feelings I am just pleading for people to be nice to each other, to listen to new thoughts and discussions and to use of our brains to succeed for our immigration cases.
If anyone is insulted by what I say, you haven't understand what I am trying to say. I am just trying to have peace and respect on VJ, even for those brave enough to give other thoughts.
God Bless,
Paula
Did I address you????????????????? NO
I was addressing VJ, not just you.
Maybe you are too sensitve, seems like you think everyone is attacking you personally and it makes you unable to see sound words of advice, discussion and suggestions when they are offered. And I don't blame Sarah for defending herself when she gets attacked when people forget to keep their emotions out of things, so they can't look at issues in a new way to try and figure out how to be successful in the immigration process.
The following part was directed to everyone on VJ, and I'll try to make it clear. What's I've noticed is people jump at someones ideals/discussions without respecting the other right to have other ideals/opinions. That is when people make the mistake of forgetting their manners and people start acting like unfriendly people by try to shut people up they don't agree with. Or worse yet, they are afraid to hear from the other might be saying, because we all know the immigration process isn't always nice and fair. People have the right to their opinions, but others don't have the right to knock them for that. Please everyone remember to see how you appear to others when you post, it's very easy to become not a friendly person when you forget that.
Water is Wide,
I don't know you, you are probably a nice person, but from your posts I wouldn't have always said you are always nice as my first impression. Please don't forget what you say and do, how it appears to others, not just to yourself who knows yourself better than anyone else on VJ. So do until to others how you would have them do to yourself. And remember others have rights too, and how what you say might be viewed.
Plus I do not mean to insult, I am not trying to hurt anyone's feelings I am just pleading for people to be nice to each other, to listen to new thoughts and discussions and to use of our brains to succeed for our immigration cases.
If anyone is insulted by what I say, you haven't understand what I am trying to say. I am just trying to have peace and respect on VJ, even for those brave enough to give other thoughts.
God Bless,
Paula
QUOTE(water is wide @ Oct 5 2007, 02:12 PM)
also If you care to read and quote my latter posts I clarified my feelings about this fairly and with honesty.
I don't even know you nor do you know me or my intentions, what advice was Sarah giving I missed? Maybe you find solace, wisdom and support in her words , I find her combative time and again on this site but that is my own opinion and her right.
I don't even know you nor do you know me or my intentions, what advice was Sarah giving I missed? Maybe you find solace, wisdom and support in her words , I find her combative time and again on this site but that is my own opinion and her right.
Wow. Just wow. You quoted her in your first post, she responded and now you're being critical of her? Way to keep the peace!
The fact that you're telling one of the sweetest women on VJ to do unto others is just laughable especially given who you are defending.
ok people, Im just thinking if i request for us to "get back on topic", I realize this was the topic for part of this thread. Is it possible to out this one to bed? Rehashing something that essentially resolved itself previously is just, well, stirring things up again.
Exactly my point
This topic has been closed per the request of the OP. Thanks.
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