So true -- I bring it up in various threads and not much of a peep in response.
http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...p;#entry1192842

That thread was such a mess, I missed your response the first time around.
There are people who will stop at NOTHING to get here. Do I think the 2 year name checks are ridiculous? Yes. Do I think that adjusting from tourist visas/VWP probably is a loophole that should be closed? If I hadn't married a tourist visa overstay, I would. But people who got defrauded in the past took it all the way up the chain of command and now it's a lot more difficult for the whole lot of us. In the end, I still think it's worth to so I can wake up and see my husband's eyes in the morning.

If people really want to see an improvement in their cases, all they need do is contact their congressman for the state in which they live and they will take action...more action than you think! Here is the address to determine who your congressman is depending on what state you are from.

http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/

It will also tell you how to contact them by phone, email, and snail mail! So instead of just complaining here on Visa Journey, take action that will not only help your case, but the many thousands of others who are going through the same painful process!

The more complaints and requests they get the more that can be done, and the more that will get done!

Thanks,
Neil

So true. I'm wondering what next year's slowdown will be.

WRT waiting for processing while you're without your partner vs waiting for processing while you're with your partner.... there's always a trade-off. Once those who are waiting for their visas get here, there is a whole new waiting process to go through; with a whole new set of problems. Currently, your frustration is having to endure the LDR - and all that entails - as you wait. When you're here, you'll have to endure the frustration of namecheck and not working and having to go through the painful process of establishing a new identity and being away from your loved ones and not being allowed to travel home to see them and so on and so on and so on. The common factor is the waiting. Whether you wait on *this* end or whether you wait on *that* end makes no difference. It doesn't get "better" once you're with your loved one. It just gets different. We're all in this together.

If you look at the threads you will see who the 'ring-leaders' are who start making attacks on this site. It's the same few people and they usually 'hang' together AND I bet are having quite a chuckle at getting everyone all 'riled-up'. I know who they are and I don't respond to them anymore. They can't goad me into some ridiculous battle.....whereby they 'think' they are displaying some superior intelligence or talking about something that is deeply relevant and introspective. Please!!! I believe what I believe and if you don't, OH WELL. I am not losing ANY sleep over it.
Rather than attack you, I just bring things to your attention. It doesn't help me feel better to tear you down.....but, some people really do get off on it.

Amen to that!!!!

This notion that somebody's opinion doesn't count because they didn't go through exactly what someone else is going through is silly. VJ'ers who have been through the entire process are a fountain of information, and while their experiences may differ from our own, they've been through the same anxiety we're all going through, even if they didn't have that same anxiety for as many days as some other people have.

Also, when you attack another VJ'er, the terrorists win.

hahahaha!!!

no, you're right; discounting someone else's opinion or advice because their experience doesn't exactly match your own is silly, and becoming histrionic and acting as if you're the only one having a hard time is also unnecessary and doesn't get anyone anywhere

but trying to 'put people in their place' or educate them as if they're children is also unhelpful... when you've come out the other side of the whole thing, obviously you have a lot to share with others - but if this isn't done in a way that will make them receptive to that experience or advice, then I think it's counter-productive

so much comes down to the ways in which things are done... two people can tell me the exact same thing, but if one seems to be going out of their way to make me feel stupid, and the other seems to be going out of their way to be reassuring, I know which one I'll listen to

(the above are general comments and genuinely not aimed at anyone in particular; just things I've felt on a number of occasions when reading threads here)

I agree with you 100%. I think some people only come on here to mess with peoples minds. They know those who are waiting for an approval are very stressed and vulnerable. They claim they are offering their expertise, help and empathy but in reality they just seem to want to cause conflict. Personally, I am getting very tired of people who were approved very quickly telling us who have not, that we are "whiners", or that "waiting never killed anyone". Somehow I do not see the empathy or sensitivity in a statement like that.

Those who went through the whole visa process in 150 days should understand that many people on here have waited 150 days and still do not have an NOA2. I am sure you guys who got approved quickly were still stressed during your waiting. Think about the people still waiting for approvals.

I am not saying that anyone has suffered any more or any less than anyone else but I do not think people should judge someone until you have walked a mile in their shoes.

Can't we all just get along

Well stated! I think you have very nicely illustrated both sides of the coin. Thanks!

Exactly. Which is why the "my journey sucks harder" diatribe is getting old.

As for the rest of your post, that's just total bull.

Your entitled to your opinion. Just because YOU say something is bull doesn't make it so. You have proved my point about empathy and sensitivity and wanting to cause conflict.

That's YOUR opinion. Just because YOU say it doesn't make it true.

But you're right, I have little tolerance for whiners in any aspect of my life. As do a lot of people here, and I'm not here to cause conflict - outside of the whining party threads, all I try to do is help people, especially those who are doing it from a non-conventional visa.

Everybody stop!!!!!!!!!
This thread should be closed...everyone is out of topic!
We are all in this together

I read this with much skepticism, since "taxpayer-paid gov't employees sitting on duffs" would definately raise unwanted flags at the OIG level. USCIS is financed thru taxpayers, stopping work because you "want more money" is one of the ways for a Federal Employee to find hisself/herself looking for another job, or spending time behind bars.

No don't stop yet...

I still have a little beverage left.

Passive aggressive & contradictory posts like yours are completely ridiculous. You bash everyone, contradict yourself then say can't we get along? Pathetic.

It sure does seem like some of these posters either work for USCIS, or maybe they just say good things about them; kissing their...think that in some way USCIS will help them personally. Pick me, help me, I stuck up for you, blah blah blah...

It also must be nice to have your significant other from one of the 27 countries on the VISA Waiver Program so your loved one can come here and visit for 90 days without a VISA. http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/without/without_1990.html Oh wait, I am sure the compasionate ones who are here to "help" us will say something like, "nobody told you to fall in love with someone from a country that is not on the list..."or something else real intelligent, helpful, and caring.

So here you go to all of you "I just try to help people...but they don't want to listen to me (us)" people. Fresh blood here...time for you to feast and tell each other how right you are and how the newer members are just whiners...or call in the reinforcements and close the thread, delete the post, etc. Sure wish those reinforcements would cancel accounts for those of you who have nothing better to do than come on this board and in more than half of your posts in a week just throw sarcasm and attempted superiority at those you disagree with. I can't wait to read the words of wisdom those of you write after this post because it is burning so bad in you that you just have to reply to feel better about yourself and show everyone how smart you are.

And i was apart from my husband for a year and a half, and had a baby by myself and our interview took 174 days from filing, it dont matter how long a person has waited, still opinions matter, whether going thru the process or already gone thru it.

Lashing out at each other is not going to make processing times faster.

Everyone needs to chill. Waiting sucks...that's a given.

You are absolutely right...but everyone should be allowed to vent and let out frustratio without being told to stop complaining

everyday there is a new thread on processing times, the time it takes, then bashing members when told its normal and they will hear something soon.


i also want to add to whoever cant remember said to contact their congressman and senator and things will get better. not true, they will only help if you are far out of your processing time.

oi i shoulda stayed in bed (home sick with measles)

Vent, sure...but getting in this cycle of bullsh!t is counterproductive.

YES IT SUCKS. YES SOME PEOPLE WERE PROCESSED QUICKER.

But it's no one's fault (here at VJ) for why things are the way they are. People need to find some sort of outlet for their frustrations...whether it IS some sort of campaign for change, or it's a hobby or something else to distract.

And before anyone starts on me...I've waited (and am waiting) plenty..so don't even go there.

Tara....measels?!?!?!

yea go figure, im 31 and i caught them, have no clue how, the kids are fine

also, if ppl can just remember what im good at repeating over and over
VJ MEMBERS ARE NOT THE ONLY ONES GOING THRU THE PROCESS. you may have filed in first week of july, but 3,000 other ppl could have filed the day before you, and someone on VJ filed 4 days before those other ppl. read up on USCIS, get to know about it abit, then maybe the understanding will be more clear. i understand the processing times, it sucks,but omg, lets stop this everyday drama, fighting, who is better and who sucks BS.

like i said , VJ is heaven for all of going through this process....someone brought up a very good analogy earlier.
If thousands of people protest Iraq and nothing happens , why would anything be done if a couple af hundred , if even that many, VJ members protest against the Immigration policy or process......DXont get me wrong im p for doing anything but imnot getting my hopes up!

Oh and LisaD....go where??? nothing was being directed towards you...I wasn't " lashing out" at you

Sorry, that was meant generally. heh

You know a good way to look at it? Yes, we all want to be with our fiance(e)s. But at the end of the day, many are in an environment which allowed the love to grow in the first place. Yes, not being able to plan sucks, and yes, the impatience of finally getting this over with sucks...but everyone here is better off right this very second than when you met, because you're at least closer to your goal than when you fell in love. And if this environment is bearable enough to nurture a relationship...then why the hell's everyone so up in arms?!?!?!?!

Think of the military couples who are separated but don't know if they'll ever see each other again. Think of how the non-military spouse feels....not knowing whether his/her spouse is under gunfire right at this very minute. Yes, waiting sucks...but as my dad (USMC) says...'no one's shootin at us'

My God, if this is the worst that everyone's life has been thusfar...GOD BLESS YA! Cos real strife is a lot harder than this!

Thats what got me thru the process, my mom had to go thru that, it was my dad in the first gulf war, and she went thru it during the vietnam war but different for my mom then us kids. atleast while waiting for approval, my husband wasnt facing death on a daily basis and i knew there was atleast a timeline to see him again.

hi bill , thx for the link , i looked and too bad morocco isnt on this list.. lol ,, thx anyways . good luck to u

Great post!

Is someone going to invoke Godwin's Law, or should I grab another beverage?

Oh, the things I miss when I'm up to my backside in cardboard boxes and drywall dust.

As for the point of whether or not people were grumbling about processing times last year - of course they were. They were when I processed two years ago. They were when the site was started more than five years ago. In fact, lack of information and lengthy processing times were the REASON the site was started. So there is nothing new under the sun in that regard.

Is it something new on VJ that people have jealousy about those with shorter processing times? No. Is it something new for those members with shorter visa processing times to be told they 'can't possibly understand'? No. Not new at all.

The ONLY reason some of us who have been at this a while occasionally come forward to take another beating is to ask you all to look inward. The intent of my post (way back in this thread) wasn't about JUST the immigration processing you will have to endure after you are reunited.

I'm sure all of you still separated often say what my husband and I used to say - that you just want to be together. That you just want a 'normal' life - you just want to be a 'normal' couple. Well, guess what? One day, you will. One day (probably several years from now) you will wake up and realize that the foreign born spouse you wake up to each day is just another man or woman with only a few minor differences from the conventional mate you might have found in the states - you know, they have that lovely accent or beautiful skin color you couldn't find around the block. They probably have some virtues similar to what you were looking for in a spouse. I assure you they come packaged with some of human natures annoyances too. So.....in time.......all the waiting will fade away, it will pass, and you will have to deal with your long-distance lover just as you would have the boy or girl next door. For all of your sakes, I hope and pray you have not romanticized your separation beyond the point of not being able to see that eventual horizon.

But there is a layer to these relationships that is unlike the conventional kind. Are you prepared? Are you prepared for all the things previously mentioned - delays in being able to work and drive? Language barriers? Are you REALLY ready to help your spouse start over just like a child - having to learn all over again how to function daily in society? Learning how to post a letter, count currency, find a favorite cereal on a shelf? Learn what words and phrases are socially acceptable here, and what ones are not? Are you prepared to help them with everything and everyone they miss from home?

And are you prepared for how society will react to them? Are you prepared for the employers who subtley discriminate against hiring the non-American born? Are you prepared to help your spouse translate their foreign credentials so those willing to hire them can assess their qualifications? Are you prepared for the people who DON'T find your spouses' accent or skin color as charming as you do? Are you prepared for the hostility of them being viewed as 'another immigrant' seeking a greencard, looking to suckle off the great American prosperity machine solely for their own benefit and at the expense of American workers? Are you aware that all the media attention towards immigrants these days is not productive to your loved ones future in America? Are you aware that as laws are crafted (as they surely will be in the near future) they WILL affect your spouse? Even if those laws are designed to stop the flow of so-called 'illegal immigration' - are you aware that some they those laws will possibly reach in and touch your family?

Your journey is not over when you receive NOA2. It is not over when the visa is approved. It is not over when the greencard is received. It is not even over if your spouse naturalizes. Each step of the process brings you to another plateau and THAT IS ALL.

Because we have chosen to love and marry someone from outside our culture and border, the rest of our lives will be different. In most ways, it will be beatifully and wonderfully different. Our families will benefit from blended cultures and our eyes will be opened to the differences of humanity. But in other ways (and hopefully they will be few for each of you) you and your spouse have challenges to face normal married couples don't experience. I am here to tell you that the fact your relationship survives this separation now IS NOT PROOF you will be able to endure all that life, immigration, society, and bigotry will throw at you.

Because one day, your life will be NORMAL. Can you handle the unique challenges you will face as a blended-culture couple once you are finally NORMAL?

With patience and understanding - you can. So - become patient now. The government is not the thing that will kill your relationship or your marriage. But American impatience and intolerance can - and I say American because that 'microwave mentality' is so prevalent in our culture today. We want what we want now and on our own terms.

Funny - life isn't really like that. Never has been and never will be.

great post, great food for thought

I applaud and thank you

as I've said elsewhere, I've done the big international move before, and therefore have quite a good idea of the sorts of things that will be facing me, but of course the exact details cannot be fully known, and therefore cannot be fully prepared for... focusing only on the visa process, and not on the new life afterward is, as you say, as full of folly as focusing only on the wedding, and not the years of marriage to follow

not all of us, however, want "what we want now, and on our own terms", and have constantly stated our willingness to wait, and wait patiently - but then I'm not American, and never will be, so perhaps you weren't talking to me there

once again, I do thank you for those thoughts, and the manner in which they were put - they are, by me at least, much appreciated

rebeccajo,
I would also like to thank you for your post and appreciate what you have to say. It resonated with many of the things I have been thinking and have thought about the changes when mahal ko will arrive. I also know that some of the things you speak of are true because of my experiences with my ex-wife (not-US born) and the work I do. I wish that this post could be the start of a seperate thread where some of those who have gone before share their suggestions about "Things to Think about" and talk about all the non-logistic and non-material issues, challenges, and concerns that will occur.

Thanks for sharing you wisdom and experience.

--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bill B @ Sep 26 2007, 11:56 PM) </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->It sure does seem like some of these posters either work for USCIS, or maybe they just say good things about them; kissing their...think that in some way USCIS will help them personally. Pick me, help me, I stuck up for you, blah blah blah...

It also must be nice to have your significant other from one of the 27 countries on the VISA Waiver Program so your loved one can come here and visit for 90 days without a VISA. http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/without/without_1990.html Oh wait, I am sure the compasionate ones who are here to "help" us will say something like, "nobody told you to fall in love with someone from a country that is not on the list..."or something else real intelligent, helpful, and caring.

So here you go to all of you "I just try to help people...but they don't want to listen to me (us)" people. Fresh blood here...time for you to feast and tell each other how right you are and how the newer members are just whiners...or call in the reinforcements and close the thread, delete the post, etc. Sure wish those reinforcements would cancel accounts for those of you who have nothing better to do than come on this board and in more than half of your posts in a week just throw sarcasm and attempted superiority at those you disagree with. I can't wait to read the words of wisdom those of you write after this post because it is burning so bad in you that you just have to reply to feel better about yourself and show everyone how smart you are.[/quote]

Guess I went to bed too early last night. Bill, very nice post indeed; I agree with you 100%.
I just wish my SO was here and then I'd have the opportunity to worry about all the other 'stuff'.
I won't be on here asking for any marriage counseling from anyone without a license.

Great post, RebeccaJo. I appreciate the thought and the effort that went into that.

I second this, because it brings to the forefront the only thing that sits uncomfortably with me -

so often in here, we see someone post with a visa issue, and subsequent replies giving the OP personal advice... someone usually comes along and, quite rightly in my opinion, says something like 'the OP has asked for advice on a visa problem; let's stick to that please as we have no right to comment on their personal situations'
what's the difference here? I've already said that I really value everything rebeccajo had to say above - but it wasn't on topic, and it doesn't address the issue that the thread was raised to discuss
people may counter that it IS relevant, because it's someone else's viewpoint on the issue raised, but how is this different from someone giving personal advice on another matter?

I think there is definitely a place for discussion of this nature, and would welcome a new thread, as rouguewave suggested; perhaps it should even be pinned, and referred to in the guides; I think the issues are certainly of major importance to all of us

but as far as I understand it, VJ doesn't encourage us to push our own agendas, however valid, or to give people unsolicited advice, however pertinent... I think that's what sometimes gets people annoyed

my two cents
(again )

Prettiest -

My thoughts are 'on topic' from the following perspective (in my opinion).

There appears to crop up (from time to time) a situation or scenario which affects USCIS processing times. Whenever those reasons are 'uncovered' (the original post) then the usual fussing begins to occur about how unfair the whole situation is; about how this has probably never happened before and how the current crop of petitioners are being punished more than previous petitioners; and about how USCIS doesn't care and how ineffective they are.

So other members come forward and attest to the fact that such-and-such happened in the past, that it worked itself out eventually, and that VJ members saw petitions approved and were reunited.

But for some reason - that's no comfort to some. So then the infighting begins.

It's my position that if one wants to bicker about THIS stage of the journey, one is ill prepared for the rest.

So................that's where I am coming from.

Rebeccajo, great post.....In my case its a little different, i have stopped to think about the things that come in a relationship when living together but that's the only thing in my case....My fiance is Colombian and so am I....New York, thank God is extremely diverse and she has some family here...as for work, i told her she doesnt have to work, she is going to get here and just try to refine her english, but that will be maybe a year after she is here..I live where i work so i will always be around for her...I want her to take the first year just to see all the new things about this country and to do simple things like take a walk with her son down the block to central park and just see what life is all about here...Thank God i never forgot my spanish, so the language barrier is not an issue...She is an esthetician in Colombia and thats her passion so after refining her english we will look for her to get her licensing to follow her passion for esthetics.....Allin all i think i am very fortunate that ur transition will be a little easier

And thank you for your other very well said post.

I truly do see, and as I said above, appreciate where you are coming from

do you perhaps also see where I am coming from?

Excellent...eloquently put.

I agree...are we all ready for these changes that will occur once our loved ones are here... My SO and I have already gone through currency training..practice it. He has learned how to do our internet banking, how to handle certain situations, write a US Resume, Interview with differing interview techniques...we've practiced these things over and over. He has a copy of the VA Drivers Manual. Pictures of our area and stores..We went out for "dinner" the other night online...and shopped the menus of many American Restaurants. Learned about currency conversion and dining etique. You are soo right, there is MUCH our SO's need to learn.. I for one was always willing to hold his hand through the adjustment process. Im learning Arabic foods, finding our local mosque, finding our Arabic businesses and restaurants in the area so he can feel a bit more at home. And we are both aware immigration will affect us for life...with that said...

I agree...those in desperate need should be processed fast. For ME...My issue isn't how FAST, but as you stated, Lack of information. Am I jealous CSC has all these recent approvals?? At times..but the greater problem isn't the speed but lack of knowledge...I for one think that if its a problem, we have the right to voice our concerns to our politicians. Nothing may change today...or even tomorrow...but its our right. Im not one to see a problem, complain, then do nothing...

Your post was dead on....and very well put...thank you for all you do here!!

Sure. If the original post had been asking a question about a particular filing procedure, I would agree that the pushing of 'agendas' (which I don't have, btw) is inappropriate.

But...the original post was about something supposedly contributing to current processing times. So a discussion occurred. Then some people decide that if you haven't waited as long as they did for an approval, then your commentary is irrelevant.

THAT is an agenda. Or impatience. Or rudeness. I'm not exactly sure which.

At any rate, I have no dog in this fight. Other than I care about peoples cases overall. I care beyond 'mycase'. If I didn't do you think I would put myself through this?

I liked your post a lot RebeccaJo, very thoughtful.

What are your thoughts on the issues that will be faced at the stage after US naturalisation? A few that spring to my mind are......
-The need to file Tax Returns forevermore.
-Lose the support of the British consul in the US.
I'm a ways off this at the moment, but hopefully we'll be in a position to have to decide whether I apply for US Citizenship at some point in the future.

This is a post to share what I believe and nothing more. Not to offend anyone, but more to give others hope and give encouragement to those that are still in wait including myself. It may or may not be the same to what rebeccajo had to say, but would like to thank her for what she had said, as well for the others. I hope the readers will get something out of this..

I would like to start with this very familiar verse, and if you haven't heard of it then I'm glad that you do know now.

1st Corinthians 13:

If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.

If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.

If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.

LOVE is PATIENT, LOVE is KIND. It does NOT ENVY, it does NOT BOAST, it is NOT PROUD.

It is NOT RUDE, it is NOT SELF-SEEKING, it is NOT EASILY ANGERED, it keeps NO RECORD OF WRONGS.

LOVE does NOT DELIGHT IN EVIL but REJOICES WITH THE TRUTH.

It ALWAYS PROTECTS, ALWAYS TRUSTS, ALWAYS HOPES, ALWAYS PERSEVERES.

LOVE NEVER FAILS. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.

For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears.

When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me.

Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

And now these three remain: faith, hope and LOVE. But the GREATEST OF THESE IS LOVE.


We make choices in life everyday, and one of them is choosing who to spend the rest of our lives with and which path to take. Yes, we could choose to find love here, but sometimes love happens elsewhere. It is true indeed that loving someone from a different country with different culture and background can be more challenging. But this is the risk others have chosen for LOVE and what makes it more exciting. We learn to adapt, accept, and do whatever crazy things we could do just for love that we can't explain. Sometimes it crosses my mind why am I going through this when I can get away with it? Just find somebody here and no need to go through this process. But then it's all about TRUE LOVE why we have chosen to take this direction. We just happened to find it elsewhere unexpectedly and have chosen to stick with it. Ofcourse, each path we choose to take have consequences or challenges, but that is only to test us. We need to be reminded that life in this world is never perfect. Problems exist in our lives and it will never go away, it all depends on how we deal and face them.

Our fiance(e)s may not know how everything else goes around here in the USA, but I think we have forgotten the real reason why we are trying to get them here and be together...LOVE. It's not if they can speak English well or understand it or can communicate well, or know how to do things here in America, but for me what's really one of the most important aspect between a husband and wife is not only to understand the language that comes out of their lips, culture, background,etc....but the LOVE LANGUAGE BETWEEN A HUSBAND AND WIFE. I know the day will come when we no longer post here and go on with our lives, but before we can all have our separate ways.. Just want to share that JESUS LOVES ALL OF US HERE. One way or another, HE will make a way to bring us together with our fiance(e)s in HIS PERFECT TIMING. God bless us all and our fiance(e)s in different countries. We will OVERCOME THIS PROCESS guys.

Yea must be nice that ppl have an SO from one of those countries, unfortunately the majority of us who have been HELPING, even tho you chose not to accept the help don't have an SO from one of those countries, and the ones who do, they don't have the SO here with them bc immigration is so expensive they'd rather use the money on the plane ticket to bring their SO here when the visa is handed to them

and to the second bolded area, dude you seriously need to get a grip. if you don't want our help or advice, there are other message boards. attacking us in that manner is just childish, and we come back here bc we do help other ppl going thru the process, and believe it or not, we are very appreciated for the help and advice we do give on a daily basis. just bc some of us are done for a few years, doesn't mean we cant come back just bc you don't like that we are done with the process, or close to being done.
its called a public IMMIGRATION forum for a reason.

And i didn't respond to show how "smart i am" i certainly don't have to respond to a childish post for you to get that sence of pleasure. i responded bc you seem to have it out for everyone who has either finished the process and gives advice and help or for those almost finished and who don't find your additude very positive towards anyone who didnt just start the process.

If you don't get into any trouble, you shouldn't need the british consul for much other than passport renewals if you so desire ^.^

Well i just want to see more aprrovals at the end of the day so we can be w/ out loved ones!!! thats all!!!

think we all want the same!! and to think we are this way here on the site! those working our cases are probably the same way, with some people caring bout their job and security where as you may have another person who just does it to pass time!! who knows!

Trust me we would ALL love to see the centers move a lot faster. I felt the same way a year and some months ago as well.