If you wish to answer "none of the above", don't vote.

I'm torn between Female circumcision, smoking in bars and Nazis. Not fond of any of them

You can pick more than one, jasman. It's multiple choice.

You should have added to the list : Posting Provocative Topics w /o Photographic Documentation.

I wish I had of know you could pick more then 1, I picked the one I have disliked the longest and was suprised to see I was not the only person to vote it! O.o

I picked...
Driving without a seatbelt
Possession of Marijuana
Female circ
Islamic supremacist propoganda
White/Aryan/Nazi supremacist propoganda

There are other things on the list that I think are not beneficial to people but not sure about making it illegal.

I am not sure if there is a different law for bars here since I don't go in them, but in FL it's illegal to smoke inside restaurants and malls and etc now. I love it, you don't have to smell like smoke after leaving a restaurant or bowling alley or a convenient store. (http://www.floridasmokinglaws.com/)

I see there is 1 vote for 'political dissent'... Given the common attitudes taken towards dissenting view (i.e. "if you don't like it why don't you move out"), that's actually surprising. You would imagine the number would be much higher. Are people being honest with themselves I wonder....

I broke down and voted

I voted "Female circumcision"

Although I dislike some of the other choices, I still believe that there are some things that should be dictated by a person's conscience. I don't think one should legislate personal responsibility and doing so is just leading to a society that is unable to decide for themselves what is right and what is wrong. You have a generation of people who look to government to tell them what they should (and should not) do. I'm really sad to see America, the land of the free, becoming the land of diminishing liberties.

FGM only for me too.

Why is pro-wrestling on that list?

smoking cigarettes in a bar --- feel free to harm yourself, not others

FGM

people really think that types of propoganda should be outlawed? i think thats a little silly, there would be no news...first ammendment = pretty important

If the propaganda involves any threats against others, that is the part I think should be illegal.

- Driving without a seatbelt (i'd also vote for riding motorcycles without a helmet)
- Islamic supremacist propoganda
- White/Aryan/Nazi supremacist propoganda

I would vote smoke cigarette in restaurants, I think it's not respectful to smoke while people are eatting, specially if they don't smoke. But the question was ''bar'' then I didn't check the box, since people go to bars usually to have fun and usually includes alcoholic beverages and is kinda hard not to smoke when you're drinking (if you're a smoker, of course).

sex with animals

i voted pro-wrestling

Same thing in Utah. And I love it. I have asthma and cigarette smoke ALWAYS triggers an attack. It's nice to be able to go to public places and not have to worry about whether or not I'll end up in the ER afterwards.

I chose, "Smoking In Bars" I have a right to breathe relatively clean air in a public location. Imagine if people entered a public place and began circulating asbestos dust in the air. Would you want to breathe it in?

The rest are either personal choices, expressions, or religious practices that do not directly harm public health. I am not a fan of some of those other items. However, they need not be laws.

There are 2 people who think political dissent should be illegal. Wow.

I find it disturbing.

The only one I voted for also.

While I may not agree with Aryan propaganda, it's covered by freedom of speech. Seatbelts.... don't even get me started on that crap. The people who are in favour of that.... they need to have ALL of their freedom taken away. It is NONE of the governments' business if I am buckled up or not. Maybe they'll require knee and elbow pads for all pedestrians next. Are y'all ok with that? How about having ALL men use condoms to stop the spread of disease? Sorry....you can't have a kid. Gotta wrap that rascal so you don't catch a disease and hurt yourself or someone else.

You have no more right to "clean air" than smokers do to smoke in a bar if they wish. It should be up to the bar owner - not the government. Just another case of surrendering more and more of our freedoms/control of our lives.

Like many here, I only voted for "female circumcision." My reasoning for that is there's no benefit to it; if anything, it's to the detriment of the woman. It's designed to reduce -- or in some cases, even eliminate -- the feelings of sexual pleasure that a female receives. The original idea behind this was that if the woman didn't "get off" in sex, she'd be more likely to remain a virgin until marriage.

It's one thing for a culture to want women to marry as virgins, but it's something else entirely to mutilate their sexual organs and render them virtually incapable of sexual pleasure -- through oral sex, masturbation or intercourse. I just find this practice to be completely barbaric.

As for the others on the list... depending on which item, there may be positive aspects to it, may be protected under the First Amendment ("Free Speech") even if I find it repulsive, or up to the individual in question to be responsible for themselves. In those cases, I don't see making any of the others "illegal."

*Both Female and Male circumcision
NotJustSkin.org
*Islamic and White/Aryan/Nazi supremacist propoganda


Saludos,
Caro

I voted for banning both male and female circumcision, since there are the only clearly violent acts. Neither parents nor the state has any right to practice these upon a child as they don't own the child. Of course a child is the parent's child in the sense that you can talk about "your children" just like you can talk about "your husband" or "your mother" or "your cousine" but you don't own your children just like you would own "your car" or "your house" or "your garden gnome". In a sense circumcision is de facto banned as it fits under the assault laws defined as "an attempt to cause or purposely, knowingly, or recklessly causing bodily injury to another; or, negligently causing bodily injury to another with a deadly weapon". Knifes are deadly weapons and in these cases they cause knowingly bodily injury. For some weird reason people don't seem to understand involuntarily genital cutting as an assault and thus many countries in the West have had to ban these procedures separately. In Finland, for example, male and female circumcisions where both banned under the assault laws, but as people didn't understand it they had to make a separate law against female circumcision and when male circumcision became more common (as Muslim immigrants moved in, of course no other Finns are circumcised) they had to change the assault law in the style of "okay, we all know that male circumcision is clearly an assault but if you do it for religious reasons we're just going to shut our eyes and pretend that nothing happened". And no, this issue has nothing to do with alleged benefits or damages. A human has no problems living without one finger, a few toes, an eyelid, half a lung, a kidney, half a liver, the gallbladder, the caecum, nails, nipples (in the case of a male), teeth, hair etc. but for some reason only human genitals seem to be up for a weird utilitarian calculation where the parents ask at birth "does that baby really need his whole genitals?". If some benefits like this where the reasoning it would be smarter to remove both male breasts at birth, since breast cancer is a far more deadly disease for grown up males than penis cancer or AIDS combained.

I also wonder the rational about banning smoking in bars. Foremost those who want to ban it are non-smokers who don't like the smoke. Fair enough, but if you live in any decently sized city you should be able to find a bar without smoke if you just look hard enough. I have one in my city and its population is 180 000. Furthermore who's said that bars should be healthy, they are after all places where you enter in order to become intoxicated. If you really want to be healthy, don't go into a bar, go into a gym.

I kind of do understand that people would want to ban Islamist/Nazi propaganda, since in some reasons they are problematic. If for example an Islamist/Nazi would say "Jew X should be killed" (both of these groups could actually say that) then it's clearly a death threat towards Jew X and thus it should be considered as a violent threat, which is already illegal regardless who says it and for what reason. If they come up with theories such as "all Jews should be exterminated" I would say that it would still fits under the freedom of speech, since seriously, the world is full of hollow threats like that that don't threat a single individual but a distant poorly defined group. If this should be banned so should the common green cry "there are too many people in the world, 90% of them should die". Seriously, most sensible men wouldn't even take these threats seriously. I personally consider Islamist/Nazis as disturbing but also something which I tend to laugh about when I occasionally run across some pictures of their rallies.

Ouh and btw. it's interesting to see how little things the popular vote in here would actually want to have banned and how much of the things on the list actually are banned. It tells a rather sad story about the current situation of our liberal democracies.

Well, to be fair to our representative form of government, the population that responds to a poll on VJ is hardly representative of the US voting population as a whole.

I have asthma pretty bad too and I'm glad there's a ban in public places like restaurants and such. In the past I've just had to avoid those places because of the smoke. I don't do bars though...smoke or no smoke. Not my scene.

i love smoking

fortunatly i dont smoke indoors, not at resturants, bars, malls, not even in my home
im a conciderate smoker

I voted for:-

I also have bad asthma and have too many visits to the ER

driving w/o a seatbelt
possession of marijuana
pornography (especially if it relates to children)
smoking in a bar (i have severe asthma)
Female Circumcision
Islamic supremacist propaganda
white/aryan/nazi supremacist propaganda

Female circumcision.

I voted FGM - everything else should be legal.

(VJT - you forgot shooting cows, dog fighting, bestiality, necrophilia and child porn.)

I agree 100%.

QUOTE(Stabu @ Sep 16 2007, 05:12 AM)
Furthermore who's said that bars should be healthy, they are after all places where you enter in order to become intoxicated. If you really want to be healthy, don't go into a bar, go into a gym.


good point...and of course, everyone knows alcohol is great for you

Im 31 and as healthy as a dead cow

I'm from germany and it was very shoking for me when I saw a flag with a swastika on it here for the first time!!!! Sadly there is many laws that legalize a lot of bad things and a lot of harmless things are illegal... oh well, I guess it's like that all over the world.

FGM among a few others......sick sick sick

Damn, I couldn't find a single thing on that list to really vote against

Islamic/nazi propaganda ought to be protected by the first amendment---as long as they're not actively harming people (poking people's eyes out vs. saying they want to), I don't really have a problem with it. I'll just ignore/mock it like everything else I disagree with. Same with circumcision. I dislike it, so I'll exercise my right NOT to do it to my kids. As for other people's kids...why am I looking at their genitles?

Seatbelt laws...well I'm from New Hampshire. 'Nuff said! Smoking laws? Let the owner of the bar decide. If enough of his/her patrons demand it, it will become smoke free. Smokers are people, too!
Breastfeeding outside of a home---kind of silly to have to carry around a bottle when you've got a fresh supply attached to you. I personally would cover up, but how could I get offended by a boob? I see them all the time!

Pornography? Well, they'd have to outlaw the internet first...because everyone knows the internet is for porn. Political dissent? First amendment, duh. Marijuana? Are there seriously people left who think people who use it are horrible, horrible people and need to be locked up forever and have all their assets stolen from them? Puh-lease.

Pro-wrestling...well, it is kind of stupid. Meh. I'll leave that up to the individual state to decide, I doubt the feds could do it though

that was funny internet is for porn maybe for you. I think porn on the internet equals virus. I stay away. Internet for me is about communication, knowledge, fun.

mooooooooo

almaty, fire up the grill!

i know my sister tara...is no porker

interesting.....
Islamic supremacist propoganda............... 59 votes.
White/Aryan/Nazi supremacist propoganda 66 votes.

so people are less worried about islamic supremacist propoganda?

Ha ha!
Pro-wrestling
Female circ
Islamic supremacist propoganda
White/Aryan/Nazi supremacist propoganda

yeap.. shows support for the American hatered bigots over international ones...

currently at
Islamic supremacist propoganda [ 64 ] [16.93%]
White/Aryan/Nazi supremacist propoganda [ 70 ] [18.52%]

amazingly, less than one in 5 think hate propaganda is a problem

So you have the right to make me get sent to prison for 5 years for vehicular homicide because you didn't feel like wearing a seatbelt and we had what would have been an accident you would have walked away from if you had?

Most of it should be illegal

Hmmm..I'm screwed up.. this is someone posted..I read earlier