AtlantiCat
Sep 3 2007, 08:40 PM
I was just curious to see if the entire world thinks the man is a moron, or if it might have been just me....
Note that Canada and Mexico are listed separately because of their proximity to the US and being part of the North American continent, and also because "Non-US North America" just sounds awkward.
PlatyPius
Sep 3 2007, 09:11 PM
Idiot.
Not a puppet, just stupid and too "us'ns are the poe-lease of the world!"
smoke20
Sep 3 2007, 09:13 PM
yes.us...everybody knows dick has been running the show
MissStacey
Sep 3 2007, 09:21 PM
Last year when I was out for my birthday on Bourbon street- I met one of George Bush's Secret Service men. Some of them come down a day or two ahead of him.
I learned a few things about GW from him. He even said without all the people who work for him, write his speeches, tell him what to say and do, he would be useless.
mawilson
Sep 3 2007, 09:23 PM
Why is there only one "No" option? You don't want to see the breakdown of people who might think he's not an idiot?
A.J.
Sep 3 2007, 09:46 PM
No, No
Artegal
Sep 4 2007, 01:04 AM
He is an idiot--or could it be the cunning of others? Sounds a little too 24ish to me!
Jack Bower--yeah when does this show start up again--though last season was the weakest.
LaGreenEyes
Sep 4 2007, 02:29 AM
More like Bumbling Idiot......
AtlantiCat
Sep 4 2007, 07:36 AM
QUOTE(mawilson @ Sep 3 2007, 09:23 PM)

Why is there only one "No" option? You don't want to see the breakdown of people who might think he's not an idiot?
Nope, just wanted to see where folk come from who share my opinion. Call it a highly biased poll.
AtlantiCat
Sep 4 2007, 07:41 AM
QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Sep 3 2007, 09:46 PM)

No, No
My condolences.
jasman0717
Sep 4 2007, 08:04 AM
Idiot might be a bit strong but I don't think he is operating with both oars in the water
Stabu
Sep 4 2007, 09:09 AM
I think that the word "idiot" is the wrong word, since an idiot is a person with an IQ below 40 and if Bush would be such a person he would be incapable of reading among other things - which he clearly isn't. Furthermore he has gone to an IVY league school and in general IVY league schools don't allow idiots to enter, no matter how much money they would own. I would rather say that Bush is an extraordinary wicked man even when compared to other politicians (who are all, almost wihout exceptions, wicked).
rebeccajo
Sep 4 2007, 10:11 AM
I was looking for 'power mad' but it wasn't in the list.
Luis&Laura
Sep 4 2007, 11:52 AM
I do think he's an idiot, not sure about the puppet thing but he definitely looks mentally challenged. I too think he might just be power hungry.
Jason-Sasha
Sep 4 2007, 12:05 PM
No, no. Cry me a river!
Eresh
Sep 4 2007, 12:11 PM
No & No
KarenCee
Sep 4 2007, 04:33 PM
Of course he's an idiot! That's like asking if chocolate tastes like chocolate. And I'm from Georgia...the Deep South....the Bible Belt.
Caladan
Sep 4 2007, 05:24 PM
QUOTE(Stabu @ Sep 4 2007, 10:09 AM)

I think that the word "idiot" is the wrong word, since an idiot is a person with an IQ below 40 and if Bush would be such a person he would be incapable of reading among other things - which he clearly isn't. Furthermore he has gone to an IVY league school and in general IVY league schools don't allow idiots to enter, no matter how much money they would own. I would rather say that Bush is an extraordinary wicked man even when compared to other politicians (who are all, almost wihout exceptions, wicked).
He took his gentleman's C and got in on his parents' name. So did Kerry. Yale is better about it these days but being a legacy admit makes up for a lot.
Bush was meant to prove a nice face to the old Republican guard. A figurehead good at looking good with his sleeves rolled up, the sorta guy you could have a beer with, right? And he sold that image very well in 2000.
Otherwise they wouldn't have nominated a one-term failed governor.
Cantankerous
Sep 4 2007, 06:08 PM
The economy is doing well and has grown for the past 5 consecutive years, unemployment is at a rate lower than the average for the last 40 years, the stock market is up, the poverty level is down, etc., yup... he's an idiot alright...
State of the EconomyOf course, this link is more fun to read if you'd rather just bash him...
Bush Accomplishments
Paul Daniels
Sep 4 2007, 06:13 PM
I don't think he necessarily unintelligent - but I do think he's inarticulate, seems to have little or no grasp on the issues when he appears in debates or in specifically unscripted situations; and seems (to me) completely unqualified to hold the office of the President.
A.J.
Sep 4 2007, 06:16 PM
QUOTE(Caladan @ Sep 4 2007, 06:24 PM)

Otherwise they wouldn't have nominated a one-term failed governor.
One-term, failed governor? The bias is strong with you, young Jedi...
One-term, failed governors do not win landslide re-elections to second terms. In Texas, he was the first incumbent Governor to be re-elected to a second term in a quarter-century.
From CNN:
Texas Gov. George W. Bush wins in landslide(AllPolitics, November 3) -- George W. Bush ran away with the Texas governor's race Tuesday to defeat his Democrat rival, Garry Mauro,
marking the first time an incumbent has retained the seat in nearly 25 years.Bush made strong inroads within typically reliable Democratic groups, including
21 percent of the vote among African-Americans.
A.J.
Sep 4 2007, 06:18 PM
QUOTE(Tim&Lana @ Sep 4 2007, 07:08 PM)

The economy is doing well and has grown for the past 5 consecutive years, unemployment is at a rate lower than the average for the last 40 years, the stock market is up, the poverty level is down, etc., yup... he's an idiot alright...
Personally, I'm as loathe to give President Bush credit for the Goldilocks economy we've enjoyed in recent years as I was to give President Clinton credit for the dot-com boom. Both events were the result (IMO) of private sector activity that they had nothing to do with, in addition to some smart fiscal policy by the apolitical Fed.
charles!
Sep 4 2007, 06:19 PM
no and no.
seems to be a lot of this around here.
link
Cantankerous
Sep 4 2007, 06:45 PM
QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Sep 4 2007, 06:18 PM)

Personally, I'm as loathe to give President Bush credit for the Goldilocks economy we've enjoyed in recent years as I was to give President Clinton credit for the dot-com boom. Both events were the result (IMO) of private sector activity that they had nothing to do with, in addition to some smart fiscal policy by the apolitical Fed.
I think the 2001 and 2003 Tax Relief did benefit the economy.
Stabu
Sep 4 2007, 07:05 PM
QUOTE(Tim&Lana @ Sep 5 2007, 02:45 AM)

I think the 2001 and 2003 Tax Relief did benefit the economy.
Yes they did as tax cuts always do (they also benefit the poor and the middle class and damage the wealthy, the privilidged and the politicians). Still, VJ Troll is right. The reason for the economy of being in such a good shape is because the US is having a large financial bubble. This is also one of Bush's making. If you cut taxes and increase government spending it will contribute towards a bubble (it's not the ultimate cause for a bubble though, fractional reserve central banking with fiat money is). It's also worthwhile to remember that the economy grows exponentially in the long run. Thus it's expected that during the last eight years the economy has grown more than it did during the eight years prior to that.
Emancipation
Sep 4 2007, 09:16 PM
I'm not sure how you call someone you don't know personally an idiot.. but maybe that's just me..
We see/hear what the media want us to see/hear. Hubby tells met that all the time.. He reminds me there is loads of good coming out of Iraq that the media never choose to show.. and that bit is true.. we see certain sides of GWB that the media allow us to see.. not a clear picture to judge someone by IMO.
Do I think GW was a bad choice? Sure do! Do I think someone else if given the same circumstances could have done a better job? I'm not 100% on that one.. it was a time in US history that was volatile, uncharted and very complex. Hard to say how someone else would have handled it....
I think the man is one of the WORST communicators in the world, but not an idiot.. He should have fired his speech writers and handlers for a better team a LONG time ago.. that's his biggest mistake.. and if you think no other world leader has them.. you are living in a dream world..
I do think he's made a tonne of mistakes, said (and not said) a lot of really grating things.. but I think calling him an idiot goes a little far.. America will recover from his mistakes and has learned and grown as a country.. there is life after GWB.
cajunasian
Sep 4 2007, 10:37 PM
NO/NO I guess if Bush is an Idiot, Blair must be a fool!!!
Jason-Sasha
Sep 5 2007, 12:01 AM
I said earlier that I answered no & no. But this picture was funny when I found it just a while ago. thought this would be the place to put it. At least he's not the one on his knees....
Paul Daniels
Sep 5 2007, 12:03 AM
QUOTE(Emancipation @ Sep 4 2007, 10:16 PM)

I'm not sure how you call someone you don't know personally an idiot.. but maybe that's just me..
We see/hear what the media want us to see/hear. Hubby tells met that all the time.. He reminds me there is loads of good coming out of Iraq that the media never choose to show.. and that bit is true.. we see certain sides of GWB that the media allow us to see.. not a clear picture to judge someone by IMO.
Do I think GW was a bad choice? Sure do! Do I think someone else if given the same circumstances could have done a better job? I'm not 100% on that one.. it was a time in US history that was volatile, uncharted and very complex. Hard to say how someone else would have handled it....
I think the man is one of the WORST communicators in the world, but not an idiot.. He should have fired his speech writers and handlers for a better team a LONG time ago.. that's his biggest mistake.. and if you think no other world leader has them.. you are living in a dream world..
I do think he's made a tonne of mistakes, said (and not said) a lot of really grating things.. but I think calling him an idiot goes a little far.. America will recover from his mistakes and has learned and grown as a country.. there is life after GWB.
I don't think it has much to do with the speech-writers. He could have the best that money could buy and still mangle it up with his inarticulate use of language. More than that - he fumbled horrifically during the televised debates against Kerry - stammering "but... he can't lead" and looking generally bewildered. Guy just doesn't seem very clued up about things that his position really requires of him. That and the volumes of Bushisms that have been released - to see the number of plainly ridiculous things the man has said. Anywhere else this would be scandalous - but Bush does it so much, and over such a period of time that I think he really has lowered the standard of people's expectations. And lets face it - given that US election campaigns are so incredibly stage-managed I'd say those expectations weren't all that high to begin with...
Paul Daniels
Sep 5 2007, 12:13 AM
Stabu
Sep 5 2007, 04:25 AM
QUOTE(Jason-Sasha @ Sep 5 2007, 08:01 AM)

I said earlier that I answered no & no. But this picture was funny when I found it just a while ago. thought this would be the place to put it. At least he's not the one on his knees....

Haha, hilarious

! I would really like to know what Göran Persson (the former Swedish Prime Minister on the left) and Romano Prodi (the Italian former President of European Commission) think they are doing there with Bush...
Sinergy
Sep 5 2007, 08:08 AM
DUH!!!

hes an idiot, and im originally from the US
Sinergy
Sep 5 2007, 08:14 AM
QUOTE(Jason-Sasha @ Sep 5 2007, 01:01 AM)

I said earlier that I answered no & no. But this picture was funny when I found it just a while ago. thought this would be the place to put it. At least he's not the one on his knees....

point taken, he cant dress himself in the morning and other ppl have to zip and button his pants for him.
and i may not personally know him, fact is, you dont have to personally know somoene to think and believe they are an idiot.
AtlantiCat
Sep 5 2007, 01:56 PM
Yanno, polls are supposed to be anonymous, but I still want to know who's the wiseazz from Antarctica?
Nessa
Sep 5 2007, 02:20 PM
I don't know him in person to know if he's an idiot

so I vote undecided.
Kazan' Tiger
Sep 5 2007, 02:30 PM
EVERYONE I know in Russia think he's a blooming buffoon. But they
LOVED Bill!
Parivar CSK
Sep 5 2007, 05:06 PM
QUOTE(Kazan @ Sep 5 2007, 03:30 PM)

EVERYONE I know in Russia think he's a blooming buffoon. But they
LOVED Bill!

I'm guessing they know most Americans think Putin is a buffoon?
peejay
Sep 5 2007, 05:26 PM
An idiot? No...not in the true sense of the word.
An incompetent and a failed president? I would say...yes.
The seeds of his failed policies will bear rotten fruit for the American people well after he leaves office. Somebody will have to straighten out his mess.
That is my take as an independent that has voted Republican in the past and will vote Republican again when I feel it is in my best interest to do so. I have no fondness for GWB and he was/is a bad mistake.
peejay
Sep 5 2007, 07:03 PM
QUOTE(Kazan @ Sep 5 2007, 02:30 PM)

EVERYONE I know in Russia think he's a blooming buffoon. But they
LOVED Bill!

My elderly relatives in Belarus still pine for the days of Brezhnev. I don't think it is so much because the era was so great, but because it was heaven compared to what came before and after.
Sid and Nancy
Sep 5 2007, 10:11 PM
QUOTE(stina&suj @ Sep 5 2007, 03:06 PM)

QUOTE(Kazan @ Sep 5 2007, 03:30 PM)

EVERYONE I know in Russia think he's a blooming buffoon. But they
LOVED Bill!

I'm guessing they know most Americans think Putin is a buffoon?

And you think we care what Americans think?
Putin may not be my favorite person, but at least he can speak without making a mistake in every sentence.
Sinergy
Sep 6 2007, 08:30 AM
QUOTE(Sid and Nancy @ Sep 5 2007, 11:11 PM)

QUOTE(stina&suj @ Sep 5 2007, 03:06 PM)

QUOTE(Kazan @ Sep 5 2007, 03:30 PM)

EVERYONE I know in Russia think he's a blooming buffoon. But they
LOVED Bill!

I'm guessing they know most Americans think Putin is a buffoon?

And you think we care what Americans think?
Putin may not be my favorite person, but at least he can speak without making a mistake in every sentence.
And you think we care what russians think?
We know hes an idiot and baffoon, but we only care that we think it

btw, i like Putin better than Bush
Kazan' Tiger
Sep 6 2007, 10:57 AM
They really don't care much what we think about Putin. Only half of the Russians I know like him. The other half neither like or dislike him. They only tolerate him.
QUOTE(stina&suj @ Sep 5 2007, 06:06 PM)

QUOTE(Kazan @ Sep 5 2007, 03:30 PM)

EVERYONE I know in Russia think he's a blooming buffoon. But they
LOVED Bill!

I'm guessing they know most Americans think Putin is a buffoon?
Paul Daniels
Sep 9 2007, 08:08 AM
one of many "blunders". absolutely imcompetent.
QUOTE(Number 6 @ Sep 9 2007, 09:08 AM)

Paul Daniels
Sep 9 2007, 09:03 AM
QUOTE(LaL @ Sep 9 2007, 09:48 AM)

one of many "blunders". absolutely imcompetent.
QUOTE(Number 6 @ Sep 9 2007, 09:08 AM)

Its just hard to believe that after seeing something like that - that it can be denied that the man has any idea how to answer questions related to his own governments policies. If nothing else - it lends some strength to the argument that he is merely a puppet figurehead.
mawilson
Sep 9 2007, 04:00 PM
Mrs.J06
Sep 14 2007, 11:10 AM
He's a stupid, incompetent man surrounded/misguided by much more dangerous species in the background.
my 2c
DeadPoolX
Sep 16 2007, 05:06 PM
Bush isn't an idiot by any stretch of the imagination. He may not be a certified genius, but he's not an idiot either. There is a middle ground.
I think the three main things that make Bush appear less intelligent than he really is are the following...
1. His accent. It's an unfortunate truth in life that when someone has a strong accent, others immediately attribute qualities to that person -- whether or not they deserve it. Accents can vary dramatically depending on country, state/province and region. Having an accent doesn't mean one is smart or stupid; it just means they speak with an accent. But thanks to Hollywood, we have these preconceived notions of what people from certain places "should" be like and and speak like, so if we come across anything that confirms these stereotypes in anyway possible, then it must be "true."
2. He doesn't deliver speeches well. I've never really understood this one. So what if Bush can't deliver a speech in the most articulate manner? That does in no way indicate his intelligence. Some of the smartest people I have ever met were terrible public speakers. Granted, they weren't politicians nor the President of the United States, but the point is that their inability to speak lucidly in front of an audience did nothing to diminish their intelligence.
3. Bush tends to act without thinking things through first. This is a problem, I'll admit that much -- especially for someone in his position. He often goes with his "gut instinct" or whatever he "feels is right" at the time. Sometimes that's all you have to go on and therefore, that's the best way to approach an issue; however, if there's an opportunity to think things through, look at all the angles, weigh your options, etc., then it's probably a good idea to do so. You might save everyone a lot of trouble (including yourself) in the end.
carabao
Sep 16 2007, 05:43 PM
QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Sep 4 2007, 06:18 PM)

QUOTE(Tim&Lana @ Sep 4 2007, 07:08 PM)

The economy is doing well and has grown for the past 5 consecutive years, unemployment is at a rate lower than the average for the last 40 years, the stock market is up, the poverty level is down, etc., yup... he's an idiot alright...
Personally, I'm as loathe to give President Bush credit for the Goldilocks economy we've enjoyed in recent years as I was to give President Clinton credit for the dot-com boom. Both events were the result (IMO) of private sector activity that they had nothing to do with, in addition to some smart fiscal policy by the apolitical Fed.
Agreed Troll. The results of economic policies from predecessor Presidents tend to be cast upon the incumbent whether for good or bad. The next 8 years should be interesting.
Paul Daniels
Sep 16 2007, 05:50 PM
QUOTE(DeadPoolX @ Sep 16 2007, 06:06 PM)

Bush isn't an idiot by any stretch of the imagination. He may not be a certified genius, but he's not an idiot either. There is a middle ground.
I think the three main things that make Bush appear less intelligent than he really is are the following...
1. His accent. It's an unfortunate truth in life that when someone has a strong accent, others immediately attribute qualities to that person -- whether or not they deserve it. Accents can vary dramatically depending on country, state/province and region. Having an accent doesn't mean one is smart or stupid; it just means they speak with an accent. But thanks to Hollywood, we have these preconceived notions of what people from certain places "should" be like and and speak like, so if we come across anything that confirms these stereotypes in anyway possible, then it must be "true."
2. He doesn't deliver speeches well. I've never really understood this one. So what if Bush can't deliver a speech in the most articulate manner? That does in no way indicate his intelligence. Some of the smartest people I have ever met were terrible public speakers. Granted, they weren't politicians nor the President of the United States, but the point is that their inability to speak lucidly in front of an audience did nothing to diminish their intelligence.
3. Bush tends to act without thinking things through first. This is a problem, I'll admit that much -- especially for someone in his position. He often goes with his "gut instinct" or whatever he "feels is right" at the time. Sometimes that's all you have to go on and therefore, that's the best way to approach an issue; however, if there's an opportunity to think things through, look at all the angles, weigh your options, etc., then it's probably a good idea to do so. You might save everyone a lot of trouble (including yourself) in the end.
That seems fair. People used to write off people like Hitler and Stalin (even Margaret Thatcher) as insane - but that's simply dismissive.
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