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CoCo1020
My sweetie had his interview today with the blond woman. He arrived at 7:30 and his interview was between 10:30 and 11:30 . He said that people were not called in order of arrival.
The blond woman started speaking arabic, but my smart sweetie said hello and continued in English. He says he understood all the questions.
WHo is the petitioner?
How old?
Does the age difference bother you?25 years!!!
When did she get divorced?
WHy?
WHen did you start chatting ?
What chat group?
How many kids?
How old?
Have you met them? He told the truth that he has only talked online and on the phone with my youngest daughter. The others live on their own, and they don't worry too much about my life:they are happy if i am happy and that's what my SO said.
What job does she have?
Where is she from?
Where has she lived?
She asked about my 3 trips to morocco. WHen and for how long
SHe looked at all the 56 photos SHe looked at them very well
She read parts of our chats and emails.
WHen my honey tried to give her more she said enough, enough. He says he had 1000 pages, but i would say about 300.
It lasted about 20 mins. He said others were there for 2-3 minutes but he was there for a long time. i really don't know if that is good or bad.
She was very respectful. Called him"sir", he was impressed.
He says he understood all the questions and answered them correctly.
At the end she gave him refusal paper It says XXXX was refused on 8/15/2007 under 221(g) because SAO donkey.
She said papers will go to Washington and in a month they are going to call him.
Can anybody tell me if we should be celebrating or crying?
My sweetie is very sad and thiks this is final, but I am trying to convince him that it is because of security checks, and that now we have to wait for them to clear.
I don't think they question validity of relationship or she would have written that instead of SAO Donkey ( at first I thought it was a joke). I just found out that they do it in Pakistan to everybody, but I had never heard that they did it in Morocco
Please, tell me that all we have to do is wait for security clearance.
ANother question what about NOA2 isn't it good for 4 months? WHat happens if we don't hear from them before the 4 months are over?
Thank you, and I hope this helps those waiting for their interviews.
Sara
Jomo's girl
Oh, I'm so sorry. I don't know the answer to your questions, though. Just wanted to tell you I feel for you.

Ironically, my SO was asked almost the identical questions yours was asked. Gave me chills to read your description too. So eerily identical.
tnh9479
SAO Donkey

It is a type of security check. Read this page.
Malarie
QUOTE(sabia @ Aug 15 2007, 03:10 PM) *
My sweetie had his interview today with the blond woman. He arrived at 7:30 and his interview was between 10:30 and 11:30 . He said that people were not called in order of arrival.
The blond woman started speaking arabic, but my smart sweetie said hello and continued in English. He says he understood all the questions.
WHo is the petitioner?
How old?
Does the age difference bother you?25 years!!!
When did she get divorced?
WHy?
WHen did you start chatting ?
What chat group?
How many kids?
How old?
Have you met them? He told the truth that he has only talked online and on the phone with my youngest daughter. The others live on their own, and they don't worry too much about my life:they are happy if i am happy and that's what my SO said.
What job does she have?
Where is she from?
Where has she lived?
She asked about my 3 trips to morocco. WHen and for how long
SHe looked at all the 56 photos SHe looked at them very well
She read parts of our chats and emails.
WHen my honey tried to give her more she said enough, enough. He says he had 1000 pages, but i would say about 300.
It lasted about 20 mins. He said others were there for 2-3 minutes but he was there for a long time. i really don't know if that is good or bad.
She was very respectful. Called him"sir", he was impressed.
He says he understood all the questions and answered them correctly.
At the end she gave him refusal paper It says XXXX was refused on 8/15/2007 under 221(g) because SAO donkey.
She said papers will go to Washington and in a month they are going to call him.
Can anybody tell me if we should be celebrating or crying?
My sweetie is very sad and thiks this is final, but I am trying to convince him that it is because of security checks, and that now we have to wait for them to clear.
I don't think they question validity of relationship or she would have written that instead of SAO Donkey ( at first I thought it was a joke). I just found out that they do it in Pakistan to everybody, but I had never heard that they did it in Morocco
Please, tell me that all we have to do is wait for security clearance.
ANother question what about NOA2 isn't it good for 4 months? WHat happens if we don't hear from them before the 4 months are over?
Thank you, and I hope this helps those waiting for their interviews.
Sara



Sara....
HI - what exactly did the 221g say? My husband interviewed on June 28th and we are currently in security name checks waiting for them to finish..... he was also given a paper -- 221g not checked but the OTHER box checked -- saying that his case required additional processing ...... then from phone calls and help from my congressman I did confirm that all is good and we are only waiting for security checks....

Did your SO ask if he did ok in the interview?

If you are questioning shoot off an email to Casa asking them to confirm the outcome and exactly what is happening... cant hurt!

Good Luck!!
Malarie
mybackpages
Everyone approved or denied is given the 221g. It does look like a denial, but most of the time it means only security checks.
I have never heard of SOA donkey....never. Usually in Morocco it says in english or french checks going on in washington. sometimes they even forget to write that.

Have you seen a scanned copy? SOA donkey is very odd.

but if she said to him security checks and they will call him, its not a returned petion and its just security checks.

mybackpages
QUOTE(tnh9479 @ Aug 15 2007, 03:20 PM) *
SAO Donkey

It is a type of security check. Read this page.



Thanks Twila!

A guick google after I hit reply pulled up the same info- a security check.
peezey
Search the document for "donkey"

U.S. Department of State Foreign Affairs Manual Volume 9 - Visas


b. You must submit a SAO Donkey request if any doubts exist regarding an
applicant’s eligibility on security grounds.
wife_of_mahmoud
Might be a name hit.
LaL
one of the four clearances ordered on my husband was a "Donkey" and "Mantis" due to his career.


(this is not a name hit, that would be a Condor, which we also had as well .)
wife_of_mahmoud
QUOTE(LaL @ Aug 15 2007, 03:38 PM) *
one of the four clearances ordered on my husband was a "Donkey" and "Mantis" due to his career.


(this is not a name hit, that would be a Condor, which we also had as well .)


So "Donkey" is about a person's career or specific training ?
LaL
QUOTE(wife_of_mahmoud @ Aug 15 2007, 04:43 PM) *
QUOTE(LaL @ Aug 15 2007, 03:38 PM) *
one of the four clearances ordered on my husband was a "Donkey" and "Mantis" due to his career.


(this is not a name hit, that would be a Condor, which we also had as well .)


So "Donkey" is about a person's career or specific training ?



I don't know all the specifics/ins & outs about it all anymore, but this may be the reason the checks were able to be stopped in our case. The check - (sorry I don't know which one) that was holding everything up was ordered erroneously.


ETA : but it is based on the TAL (technological alert list)
peezey
Mantis is based on TAL but not Donkey.
CoCo1020
my fiance is a school teacher at a rural school in the middle of nowhere.
Maybe it is his name. Although he has a girl's name (lol), but his middle name is Hassan. I am trying to attach the picture of the paper they gave him but i can't. It keeps uploading and never stops. Any help? I'll try to make it smaller
mybackpages
try using something like photobucket to put the image in VJ. its easier than uploading directly here IMO

So it does sound like an approval based on clearing certain security checks....i wonder if the donkey is used in casa, but no one was ever told which speciifc check was being done. I think this is the time you just need to find a lot of patience and hold on to the reality that the visa was approved (and thats the really scary part the interview).

Hope it is a speedy journey to visa in hand.
CoCo1020


Sara....
HI - what exactly did the 221g say? My husband interviewed on June 28th and we are currently in security name checks waiting for them to finish..... he was also given a paper -- 221g not checked but the OTHER box checked -- saying that his case required additional processing ...... then from phone calls and help from my congressman I did confirm that all is good and we are only waiting for security checks....

Did your SO ask if he did ok in the interview?

If you are questioning shoot off an email to Casa asking them to confirm the outcome and exactly what is happening... cant hurt!

Good Luck!!
Malarie
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Now that I am looking at this paper, I see that it is a refusal worksheet for office use only. maybe they order SAO donkeys on a lot of people, but they give them a different paper, not a worksheet for office use only. Now I wonder what will happen if she gave my fiance the wrong paper.
No luck with photobucket, I'll keep trying
mybackpages
QUOTE(sabia @ Aug 15 2007, 04:28 PM) *
Now that I am looking at this paper, I see that it is a refusal worksheet for office use only. maybe they order SAO donkeys on a lot of people, but they give them a different paper, not a worksheet for office use only. Now I wonder what will happen if she gave my fiance the wrong paper.
No luck with photobucket, I'll keep trying



Sabia - you might be holding the CASA VJ equivilent of the the Holy Grail! laughing.gif
Malarie
Now that I am looking at this paper, I see that it is a refusal worksheet for office use only. maybe they order SAO donkeys on a lot of people, but they give them a different paper, not a worksheet for office use only. Now I wonder what will happen if she gave my fiance the wrong paper.
No luck with photobucket, I'll keep trying
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DOHHHHHHH --- SOMEBODY SCREWED UP AT THE CONSULATE TODAY ...... LOL!!! WE ALL WANT TO SEE WHAT YOU HAVE!!!

THAT IS TOO FUNNY -- Maybe you are correct and we are all getting SAO Donkey's and we just dont know it .... its all a mystery!!

Did you try to save it as a JPEG?

You should be able to post it as a picture like that! YOu know come to think about it .... when my husband scanned it over to me I had to cut the entire pic into a word document and then save it like this.... maybe that will work as it will reduce the size of the file.... then yo ucan just attach it as normal.

Good Luck
CoCo1020
Hahahahahaha
This is our turn to kicking.gif
Now I'm really scared, this paper should have stayed there. Is it safe for me to post it publicly? I don't want to mess up and get in big trouble.
And what about my fiance'ss file? Are they going to know what to do with it without this paper?




DOHHHHHHH --- SOMEBODY SCREWED UP AT THE CONSULATE TODAY ...... LOL!!! WE ALL WANT TO SEE WHAT YOU HAVE!!!

THAT IS TOO FUNNY -- Maybe you are correct and we are all getting SAO Donkey's and we just dont know it .... its all a mystery!!

Did you try to save it as a JPEG?

You should be able to post it as a picture like that! YOu know come to think about it .... when my husband scanned it over to me I had to cut the entire pic into a word document and then save it like this.... maybe that will work as it will reduce the size of the file.... then yo ucan just attach it as normal.

Good Luck
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caybee
This is interesting stuff. But if he did get the wrong paper, I hope someone knows to start those clearances anyway.

I ran across an article that says all foreign nationals go through Visas Donkey clearance. It also says name checks are performed by inputing just the consonants of a name, and if the consonants match and the date of birth is the same or close, you have a hit. That may be old news, but it's new to me.

link

Since they said you'd hear back in a month or so, it does sound like the standard name check. I might be tempted to contact Casa and see if they need that paper back though! Maybe this is how files get lost...

Good luck rose.gif
tnh9479
mona_jamie...

That was a great link. Here's an excerpt.

Common Names

Of all of the security clearance delay characteristics, this is both the most surprising and sometimes the least predictable. Every FN goes through a name check clearance (“Visas Donkey”). The name is inputted into the system only with the consonants (not the vowels) in the person’s name. If someone else with the same name and the same or fairly close date of birth appears in the system, there is a “hit” which needs to be resolved in Washington. Through no fault of the FN’s own, other than that he might have a common name in his country, the sometimes long delay may prevent the FN from returning to the United States.

So...the Donkey is the name check .
caybee
QUOTE(tnh9479 @ Aug 15 2007, 06:26 PM) *
mona_jamie...

That was a great link. Here's an excerpt.

Common Names

Of all of the security clearance delay characteristics, this is both the most surprising and sometimes the least predictable. Every FN goes through a name check clearance (“Visas Donkey”). The name is inputted into the system only with the consonants (not the vowels) in the person’s name. If someone else with the same name and the same or fairly close date of birth appears in the system, there is a “hit” which needs to be resolved in Washington. Through no fault of the FN’s own, other than that he might have a common name in his country, the sometimes long delay may prevent the FN from returning to the United States.

So...the Donkey is the name check .



If the CO had handed my Moroccan hubby a paper with "donkey" written on it, she would have received a very direct question. wink.gif Dude's a speed reader.
allousa
Visa Donkey......

A well put moniker...because this whole process is a real pain in the azz!!!!!!!

hahahahahahahahahah laughing.gif laughing.gif laughing.gif laughing.gif
Maggie724
QUOTE(allousa @ Aug 15 2007, 04:11 PM) *
Visa Donkey......

A well put moniker...because this whole process is a real pain in the azz!!!!!!!

hahahahahahahahahah laughing.gif laughing.gif laughing.gif laughing.gif



laughing.gif good.gif
CoCo1020
If the CO had handed my Moroccan hubby a paper with "donkey" written on it, she would have received a very direct question. wink.gif Dude's a speed reader.
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Well, he just saw the word "refusal" spelled out in front of his eyes. That was enough to make him stop reading. I don't think he read donkey until later.
VISA Donkey, It sure is a pain in the donkey.....
Sara
caybee
QUOTE(sabia @ Aug 15 2007, 07:41 PM) *
QUOTE

If the CO had handed my Moroccan hubby a paper with "donkey" written on it, she would have received a very direct question. wink.gif Dude's a speed reader.

Well, he just saw the word "refusal" spelled out in front of his eyes. That was enough to make him stop reading. I don't think he read donkey until later.
VISA Donkey, It sure is a pain in the donkey.....
Sara


Oh, I hope my post didn't come out wrong -- I wondered about that right after I sent it. I know you and your SO have had a shock and are in the dark. I hope you are beginning to relax, but the wait for security checks isn't an easy part of the process at all. I made a weak attempt at a joke, since "donkey" is pretty insulting in Morocco. I'm very sorry if I was insensitive.

It does sound like he was supposed to be handed a 221(g) and was given an internal document instead by mistake. Knowing that for sure might go a long way toward easing your minds.

Best wishes to you both.
CoCo1020
No problem,
Thank you for your good wishes,
Sara
mybackpages
The noble donkey wink.gif
Sand
Well dont worry he will get it Insha'allah, i got my Clearance in 5 days, and after that i got my VISA.
just tell ur spouse to be patience
~ Karima ~
I just wanted to add that my husband has the 'actual' folder his file was in, in Casa. It's a pink file with labels on the top and the sides with his name, DOB, Case # & a scan bar code. They actually wrote on the outside of this folder notes regarding his security checks.

This is what it says:
His case #
221g
Condor
Condor (scratched out)
5/5/06 ct donkey
5/19/06 donkey done
5/19/06 ct
SAO pending in NIV 7/?1/06
Then some initials in a circle
on the inside of the folder it has his phone # written

All I can say is they DO send off for the Donkey check! I don't know if I would say it is standard, but I have proof they request it. Our AP took 5 months and 1 day, so IMO, and from what DOS told me, it is a more in depth security check than I guess the normal standard checks.

I would not panic. I don't think that was a denial, just a more in depth check.
caybee
QUOTE(carshel @ Aug 15 2007, 10:27 PM) *
I just wanted to add that my husband has the 'actual' folder his file was in, in Casa. It's a pink file with labels on the top and the sides with his name, DOB, Case # & a scan bar code. They actually wrote on the outside of this folder notes regarding his security checks.

This is what it says:
His case #
221g
Condor
Condor (scratched out)
5/5/06 ct donkey
5/19/06 donkey done
5/19/06 ct
SAO pending in NIV 7/?1/06
Then some initials in a circle
on the inside of the folder it has his phone # written

All I can say is they DO send off for the Donkey check! I don't know if I would say it is standard, but I have proof they request it. Our AP took 5 months and 1 day, so IMO, and from what DOS told me, it is a more in depth security check than I guess the normal standard checks.

I would not panic. I don't think that was a denial, just a more in depth check.


This is interesting. I wonder if the second notation by 5/19 indicates that there was a hit when the donkey check was completed, so additional checks were ordered then? I guess there's no way to know, but it's intriguing to see the timeline written out like this.
Malarie
QUOTE(allousa @ Aug 15 2007, 06:11 PM) *
Visa Donkey......

A well put moniker...because this whole process is a real pain in the azz!!!!!!!

hahahahahahahahahah laughing.gif laughing.gif laughing.gif laughing.gif





O M G .........................

I am sitting here reading this thread and got to your post and I had to bust a gut!!!


That was funny!!!! and so very very very true!!!!!!!


laughing.gif laughing.gif laughing.gif
Malarie
QUOTE(mybackpages @ Aug 15 2007, 08:45 PM) *
The noble donkey wink.gif




HEY -- that is why my husbands name check has not completed --- the dang donkey cant get his feet on the ground to go anywhere ..............................................

Will someone please help that donkey already ?????

Again -- LMAO....... there must be a full moon (or I have really lost my mind!!)

Malarie
~ Karima ~
QUOTE(mona_jamie @ Aug 15 2007, 11:59 PM) *
This is interesting. I wonder if the second notation by 5/19 indicates that there was a hit when the donkey check was completed, so additional checks were ordered then? I guess there's no way to know, but it's intriguing to see the time-line written out like this.


We were told our AP was complete and they even called my husband for his passport. 3 days after he took in his passport, they requested new checks, this was the 5/19 check. It took DOS 5 days to even start the new request. When I called DOS, a lady there advised me the new check was a more in depth check and can take up to 6 months to clear. She also said it was a multi agency check done by the FBI and other outside agency's. You can see our time-line below.

04/27/2006: INTERVIEW
05/10/2006: AP complete
05/16/2006: Consulate called to bring passport...yeah!
05/19/2006: New clearance requested
05/24/2006: New clearance acknowledged by DOS
05/25/2006: Consulate called to come get passport (no visa), back in AP...????
09/02/2006: Off for another visit...hope it's the LAST!
09/28/2006: VISA IN HAND..finally after 5 months and 1 day of AP...alhamdulillah!!!

What happened to us is not the norm, but certainly not unheard of. There are a couple other members that come to mind that went thru similar situations. There is nothing to worry about, just be prepared for a bit longer wait than others.
mybackpages
QUOTE(carshel @ Aug 16 2007, 06:07 AM) *
QUOTE(mona_jamie @ Aug 15 2007, 11:59 PM) *
This is interesting. I wonder if the second notation by 5/19 indicates that there was a hit when the donkey check was completed, so additional checks were ordered then? I guess there's no way to know, but it's intriguing to see the time-line written out like this.


We were told our AP was complete and they even called my husband for his passport. 3 days after he took in his passport, they requested new checks, this was the 5/19 check. It took DOS 5 days to even start the new request. When I called DOS, a lady there advised me the new check was a more in depth check and can take up to 6 months to clear. She also said it was a multi agency check done by the FBI and other outside agency's. You can see our time-line below.

04/27/2006: INTERVIEW
05/10/2006: AP complete
05/16/2006: Consulate called to bring passport...yeah!
05/19/2006: New clearance requested
05/24/2006: New clearance acknowledged by DOS
05/25/2006: Consulate called to come get passport (no visa), back in AP...????
09/02/2006: Off for another visit...hope it's the LAST!
09/28/2006: VISA IN HAND..finally after 5 months and 1 day of AP...alhamdulillah!!!

What happened to us is not the norm, but certainly not unheard of. There are a couple other members that come to mind that went thru similar situations. There is nothing to worry about, just be prepared for a bit longer wait than others.


This is one of the most useful personal experiences posted in a loooong time.
MrsAmera
Carshel -

How did your husband get his actual file?? I'm just curious why our visa was approved to fast and easily. I think it was one of the only cases with a male beneficiary recieving visa the next day that I've seen on here.
allousa
I've come to the conclusion that there is no rhyme or reason to what some of the Consulates do! sad.gif
~ Karima ~
QUOTE(AmeraMouttaki @ Aug 16 2007, 08:50 AM) *
Carshel -

How did your husband get his actual file?? I'm just curious why our visa was approved to fast and easily. I think it was one of the only cases with a male beneficiary recieving visa the next day that I've seen on here.


I don't know why they gave it to him, but they did. I did not believe him when he was telling me what they had written on it until he showed it to me when he got here. I honestly think a lot of it has to do with the fact he is a Mohamed and his last name is just as bad. It could not have been due to previous travel or his job as he had never been outside Maroc and his job was nothing technical. The lady at DOS even made a comment about his name being the possible reason.

What's crazy, it was quicker to get his Green Card than it was the Visa, and we had no interview.
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