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I agree.. a person needs a pm warning..prior to a ban ..unless, it is a blantant troll

Dev ~ I already discussed this with you in PM prior to you starting this thread.

Dev ~ I already discussed this with you in PM prior to you starting this thread.

LaL can you explain it for the rest of us? Keeping stuff like this in PMs just leaves posters completely uninformed.

If you have questions about our methods, or what we can or cannot do, please message us, as always.

The point is, if you have issues to take it up with us personally. I am always available to you when you PM me and if my answer to you did not satisfy you, why take it to the open forum?

If you have questions about our methods, or what we can or cannot do, please message us, as always.

It is subjective as I am sure you can imagine, however we do attempt diplomacy wherever possible which would mean, yes, for the most part you will see us remind in a thread, or PM directly, or warn. There are few times when we do not as well.

So basically there are no rules so it would not be possible to clarify the rules here in the open forum so everyone understands?

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Is the thread and or action in question still available to the public for viewing? And can someone please enlighten us to the detail of the situation...

I'm still trying to figure out why I got a ban for a so-called personal attack which was not an attack

I saw some really, extremely offensive posts in the MENA forum today and somehow that person is still posting away. I know its tough, but really there needs to be some better consistency. So if there aren't any hard and fast rules on specifically when bans are appropriate, they should be developed. The TOS just don't cut it, IMO.

Alot of that HAS been sorted out now. I think you have to bear in mind that we are not in here 24 hours a day and can only respond once we've read through stuff and caught up; which does take some time. It's a big forum.

I'll just reiterate that if someone PMs me I will always answer them so, if you see something, let one (or preferably all three) of us know. Then who ever is online first can get onto the matter at hand ASAP.

I saw some really, extremely offensive posts in the MENA forum today and somehow that person is still posting away. I know its tough, but really there needs to be some better consistency. So if there aren't any hard and fast rules on specifically when bans are appropriate, they should be developed. The TOS just don't cut it, IMO.

...in many situations if there was a violation (IMO) it was as the result of another members action. Why is the antagonist never dealt with appropriately?

However, there has to be some freedom to dialog/debate and then if a situation escalates... deal with it (banning).

The retaliator normally gets the brunk of the law/rules/policies/ and in our case... the terms of service.

MENA just gets a pass though doesn't it?

The issue with Dev's ban was that it apparently was because she was reacting to something quite inflamatory and out of line posted by another member and backed up by a moderator. From an outside perspective it would appear that dev got banned for disagreeing with what a moderator (and another member) posted.

If you look at the thread in question you'll find quite a few people posted "WTFs" at what was said (basically implying that many/most K-1 applicants from the Philippines were former hookers). I must admit given the subject matter I was quite surprised at the mod's posts in that thread.

Well, threads have been locked, and new ones restarted by the same individual. Just wondering why a ban wasn't put into place due to those inflamatory posts?

MENA just gets a pass though doesn't it?

Totally accurate summary -- that's exactly what it looked like.

and that is fair?

MENA just gets a pass though doesn't it?

As long as they keep their theatrics limited to the confines of their dirty little ghetto, no one on the outside cares.

I read the thread too.

I don't think what dev said warranted a ban. Not even close.

Nor do I think what Yod said warrants outrage. What's true is true.

I read the thread too.

I don't think what dev said warranted a ban. Not even close.

Nor do I think what Yod said warrants outrage. What's true is true.

Nor do I think what Yod said warrants outrage. What's true is true.

I agree with what Kez said. I've been out of town (mini honeymoon!) but was sent a link to dev's 'ban worthy' thread. I honestly thought the offending portion must have been edited out before I got to it, because I couldn't figure out what part had gotten her banned.

I *think* I know now what quote it was, but I have to say that I've seen MUCH worse written here by other members who didn't even get a stern talking to by a mod. But this one was banning material? A dictionary definition? Personally, I found the moderators comments in said thread MUCH more shocking and offensive than dev's commentary.

Color me confused.

I read the thread too.

I don't think what dev said warranted a ban. Not even close.

Nor do I think what Yod said warrants outrage. What's true is true.

I've tried to ask this in PM, but I am coming up empty.

Is it not normal to warn a poster before closing a thread/banning someone? Is it not common courtesy to PM someone to chill out or they will get the thread closed/ or a ban?

Banning someone then PMing makes no sense as your account is disabled & therefore no access to PMs.

I'm still trying to figure out why I got a ban for a so-called personal attack which was not an attack, but a posting of a dictionary DEFINITION. I'm also wondering why it's been over 74 hours & despite repeated PMs asking WHY & assurances it is being looked into, I have not received any answers as to why this happened when it obviously was NOT a violation of the TOS.

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Maybe, but it was really one for the "bite your tongue" thread IMHO.

We get it - take everything to PM.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I can see how well that policy is working out...

Seriously, if 'take it to PM' the end all be all solution, would we keep ending up having a need for these kinds of threads?

I think we're stuck in the proverbial worm hole at this point.