I can understand that when the post in question is in the midst of some kind of argument or disagreement within the thread.

But in the particular example in question, that wasn't the situation. If any other person had posted it, its highly likely they would have gotten a wrist slap by a mod to be sure not to generalize in such a way about PI fiancees. IF someone had taken the time to PM a mod about it, that is. What's laughable in that thread is that someone in it tried to take the issues to PM but still did not get the answer they wanted (sound familiar?).

For dev's case, why should she feel the need to 'take back' the quotation of a dictionary definition if she felt it an apt description of the person she was referring to (and if it wasn't blatantly getting personal)?

And the initial inciting post that spurred my 'definition post' & his subsequent attack were ignored as well.

I get it, I'm hated by all of VJ. Sheesh. Doesn't mean this was NOT FAIR & nothing is being done to explain it.

When it was only me moderating I eventually realized that we needed more mods per public support of the idea. We adding some and although it has helped to address the number of TOS violations faster it will also lead to variation in moderation to a degree as they are all not me. I will use this time to help spread out of further info to the mods on how to deal with things to hopefully better harmonize us but in general there is a double edged sword when there are more mods... that being there is an improved response to issues but greater variability. Not sure on the best solution but when the new mods were created it was the general opinion that all of them were fair and balanced people as best as humanly possible -- which I still think is the case. We all want to help out as VJ members and the mods do their best to help in every way that they can. They do this out of the goodness of their heart to support the community. I hope that we can all remember that and if we think things could be better we should focus on proactive contstructive ideas and not on finding all the faults and harping on them -- if you look at an egg there are cracks everywhere, but in the end it is still and egg and does its job -- such is being human. (cliche sorry)

So that's it then? It all gets swept under the rug?

Edit: And mods may or may not warn us, depends on how they're feeling?

Dev-

I have asked the mods to warn on first offenses. They are human and may forget -- I mess up sometimes too. There is not rug but it is honestly frustrating to be second guessed and questioned on every decision we make. We are not perfect and make mistakes -- human mistakes. We on the whole try our best and think we do a good job. If you want to make a list of faults please make a list of the things we do good as well. it is very disheartening to always be attacked, nick-picked and told how bad we do for every little thing when in truth we try very hard to do a good job. Not every decision will be the right choice nor be something everyone can agree on. I am not sure what else to say to make you happy.

More of the same - we're supposed to feel bad by questioning a decision because they're doing this job out of the kindness of their hearts. Right, heard it before, understand and do believe it to an extent - I think we all have stated that we do empathize.

Its no solution to say 'take it to PM', cos even when you do, there are still unanswered questions. Its no solution to post something here because then all your told is take it to PM and the mods are volunteers. (again, no new news here)

I understand the desire to 'close ranks' and back your mods - I think you SHOULD do that, Ewok. But if you can't/won't explain why a moderator banned someone - and that moderator can't/won't explain the ban in PM (your preferred method of communication) - then I still think that dev's thread title is very apropos.

Its ok for you to disagree with your mod's decisions, too - and no one would ask or expect you to do that publicly. But if that is the case, then it'd be nice to explain to the banned party on PM or email that you disagreed with the decision, etc. and so on.

Yet, I am not dim enough to expect some kind of answer here (beyond 'take it to PM'). I guess the only thing we will come away from this thread with is 'don't use dictionary definitions to describe someone or you'll get banned'. (Thanks for the lesson, dev!)

Warn before a ban or before an offensive post? I was only banned, without a SINGLE warning yet I posted no attack.

An apology would be great, but I won't hold my breath. An apology to thne PI forum would be great too.

Posting the rules for banning would be helpful as well.





Glad to be your guinea pig.

Sorry we are not perfect Dev. We will try harder.

I hope that this means that you understand that if I ever did disagree with a mod that I would talk to them directly and not share this with anyone for privacay reasons. As you know, people talk. If I tell one person they will tell two, etc..

Yes, because after all, when we pose such questions, what we're really saying is 'The moderators suck, we hate them all and why aren't they perfect???!!!'



Give me a break. All we're asking for is what in dev's post constituted a ban? We all know that personal attacks, violations of TOS, etc and so on are ban worthy - but I have seen people do and say MUCH worse to each other in threads than what dev did - hell, I'm quite sure I've said worse things in the past, but I was not banned.

But I suppose its much easier just to play the blame game and make it look as if we're attacking the job you do. SO not the point.

I'm sure I won't be here after this (not for a few days anyway) take screenshots everyone.



Um, yes, which is why I wrote the section in bold.

At the end of the day - here's the question. Why is what dev did in that thread a ban worthy offense while the rest of what went on in that thread was acceptable?

I feel I know the answer. Its in who was the deliverer of said message. Which is sad, because I thought the rules here applied to everyone.

So lets say for a moment that I agreed that in that case I would not have banned them. The fact remains that they were and the suspension is over and done (and by the time I was able to get online was indeed over). In this case lets assume I again disagreed with the mod. You yourself agreed that I should Not publically disagree with the other mods. That being the case, what would you have me do regardless of the situation.

PLease don't put words in mouth. I wanted answers, as did others, yet all we are getting is the runaround - per usual.

I assume this thread will be locked soon, and we will be told to take it to PM.

Perhaps answer devilette's questions/concerns in PM so that there was no need to start the thread?

Dev-

Check your PM.

What is unusual in this situation is there are two additional parties to this triad that are noticeably absent from all this. Quite active around the board today but noticeably absent in this thread...

Noted that myself.

Who are the triad? Am I missing something (or is the joke on me?).

If you've read the thread that got dev banned, you'll know.

removed response to your edited (removed) post .

Sorry - was going to PM you instead.

Same issue, new day.....

whats the link to the thread? i missed it bc i was outta town.

Ok read the threads, and gotta agree, i dont see why dev was banned or suspended. She did not go against TOC

Topic was already resolved or at least concluded between the admin/mod and OP. Closing as such.