my fiancee saids the same thing today. i dint want to do it and possibly get banned. we have wacthed our number get closer, then we find couples without a timeline.

why would you be banned? if it was a polite query, no one could object to that... I've thought of doing it before

STP are you gonna put a new list together for all of us waiting ?
I know this has been a very very slow week at CSC with only 11 Approvals,but it'd still be nice to see a new list.
Thanks
Nat

I'm sorry for interfering here. This is only my opinion so apologies to StP if I'm stepping out of line.

StP very generously put together her list to take the weight off bszoom's shoulders when he quite rightly became otherwise occupied with his SO's arrival in the US. I think it's only fair that after months of providing such a valuable service, which she has to generate manually, we give her a break so she can concentrate on her upcoming interview and moving plans.

Igor kindly put together a list for CSC filers awaiting NOA2 here >>> http://cse.ssl.berkeley.edu/igor/vjdata/ .

Whilst Igor too has put a huge amount of work into it, the list is generated automatically and therefore is much lower maintenance and you can check for updates automatically.

The only reason that the two lists generated differing order was due to the delays in receipting at USCIS which caused some confusion here on VJ on which date to enter in the NOA1 field. I am sure that factor is pretty much ironed out by now and therefore there is no real point in two people generating lists - unless of course they really want to.

I wish you luck in receiving your NOA2.

Very interesting ... It will be interesting to see how long it takes you to get your NOA2.

Valentines Week turned out to be a real downer at CSC It would truly be nice to see all the July and longer filings get approved. I really feel for everyone that has been waiting for that long. When I fist joined this site back in October it seemed like the wait was about 4 months , 2 or 3 weeks till the NOA - 2 was issued. It is frustrating to see everyone that has waited sooooo long and to realize that the process is not really improving. While there is really little or nothing that can be done to make the situation better, its nice to know that none of us are alone. It is also great that Igor and STP have made the lists for us all. Its really great and it is also nice to read the some of your posts. We do have a lot of talented comedians here
Lets hope that this coming week will be better despite the government holiday !
All the best and may the approvals be plentiful !

Agreed with everything that Chris says above. "We are the chorus, and we agree. We agree, we agree, we agree, si man."

Today (Sunday) is the ninth consecutive day with no word from the fiancee -- no e-mail, no call, no nuthin'. I know that she was not dead as of Feb. 15, because Yahoo sent an automatic courtesy acknowledgment that my V.D. e-card (that's VALENTINE'S DAY, you of evil minds) had been picked up, presumably by her. That card was even in Spanish, si man.

In the absence of further information, I am optimistically relying on the last known correspondence from her (Feb. 7-8 vintage), in which she stated that she would be beastly busy with her business activities during February (I believe this). Perhaps she does not have time to share her daily activities by e-mail, and perhaps she would prefer not to write at all rather than send one-liners of "I'm really busy and have no time to write."

Still: [1.] The silence is unprecedented and awfully weird. I have almost even given up worrying about her (not really). [B.] How long will it last, and how long should I put up with it? I'm still willing to love her with all my heart if she has any interest at all, but selfish thoughts have crept into my mind of telling her "either show me the slightest attention or enjoy your new life... and, by the way, return your engagement ring and the bought-in-advance wedding ring at your expense." However, blindsiding her with this would probably draw a (very reasonable) response of "well, you couldn't visit me for months, so I had to get involved in something else, and this is it -- and I'm intentionally beastly busy now so that I can give you 100% for your visit in March." [III.] Mama T-Bone says that NOT wanting to share your life and daily activities with your S.O. is not love. There may be something to this; because of her silence, my e-mails to her have dropped to one every day-&-a-half or so, and I'm sticking to the high points only out of respect for her busy-ness. But, although it stinks not to have anyone to tell anything to, I'll keep it up.

The conflicting surmisings are: On the one hand, she DID clearly tell me that she would be very busy, and she included a few major details thereof. On the other, she never clearly indicated that she would completely drop out of touch. I am hesitant to question her about the latter if indeed she's killing herself now to have time for me in March. I do perceive that she is acting like every North American career woman whom I've ever met (job first, man second), but maybe this is "job first for now, man first thereafter." I do not want to force her to give up something (her business) that she is genuinely gaining from personally and financially. (She undertook this as an outgrowth of my having unfairly criticized her in November for staying in lousy, pay-nothing jobs where she was abused, and for not saving anything toward the eventual marriage -- duh, T-B., duh duh duh. That hurt her greatly at the time, and I realized what a mistake it was.)

I believe that she would have told me something if she had changed her mind about my visit or our relationship; she's always wanted to talk about such matters before, si man. My inclination is to keep informing her of my doings and to add a comment of "I'm feeling a little left out -- whussup?"

So: Be patient until she comes up for air, and keep waiting? If so, for how long? Other? Si, man?

Apologies for rambling and dumping, but you are all my amigos/amigas here, si man, and maybe contributing on this issue will help keep your minds off the infernal wait for CSC, si man.

i read ur post a few times to see if i really could understand what you wrote... lol my english is not so great sorry....sounds like Latin pride got hit anyways i would not worry she is working she is trying to show u that she can safe for the marriage......and that she can have a job that goes someplace....try telling her what a great job she is doing and how proud u r of her
i dont know about Latins from that area but most of us if we dont want someone we have no problem telling them we are finished......i think its all ok not to worry......

I apologize for the heavy language and disorganization -- believe me, a native speaker of English would have trouble with it, si man! Part of me believes that you are right -- I really did hurt her in November, and I forgot the cardinal rule, which is this: There are two things that one must never do to a Latina -- yell at her or criticize her. I will continue to respect her. In the meantime, though, it is hard. Gracias!

TB, I'm in Denver visiting with the kids, so very little time myself to write. However I'll just throw in my $0.02: someone who has time to read your Valentine's card has time to drop a quick note saying "I'm alive, hope you are well." I wouldn't get in her face about it, but I would drop a quick line saying that you have been thinking of her and hoping everything is ok, and to please drop a quick email just confirming all is well. No need to stir things up before your trip, but I think it's a good idea to keep making efforts. This is all presuming of course that you still want to salvage the relationship, which I think you do.

Good luck!

Good idea, si man... and isn't this Happy Birthday for Somebody?

Yep, Aly!

Gratzies to Aly on her (no more than) 29th b'day, si man!

Congratulations Aly!!!

This is the quietest day that this thread has ever had, si man.

To liven things up (or to deaden them further by over-glazing your eyes), I reviewed the last messages from the fiancee, and here is one from Feb. 5 (remember that I am "Loco" and she is "Loca"):

HOLA LOCO:

What about if you come on March you will have time to plan the trip and I will have time to receive you...because next week I was planning to go to Macas to see if I can make some business there and I will be very bussy in Febrary and I planned to make a lot things this month and I will have another test from my University at the end on February so will be easy for me and better to receive you on March and we can celebrate my birthday on 15th........do you like the idea?????..
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(I responded "si, man.") Her next was to thank me (and rave briefly) about the contents of her DHL, and then to suggest excitedly that we spend my entire visit in Guayaquil without visiting her current city of residence (Cuenca). I wrote back that I was really hoping to see Cuenca, too, but I wrote later that day (Feb. 8) to say that her plan was fine after all. I have not heard from her since. Because the "locale" discussion was certainly nothing to precipitate a break-up, I must conclude (lonely though it has been) that she is swamped and focusing on what she said, above. Anyone who disagrees with "si, man" should pipe up. Thanks. And now, let's hope for some CDC (California Disservice Center) approvals to get this thread rockin' again, si man!

Hope you get in touch with her TB. In any case you're less than a month away from your visit, so hopefully all shall be revealed very soon. Best of luck to you!

I've been scarce because I've been in Denver visiting the kids. Just got back this evening. Had a great trip, and Nadya talked with my daughter for the very first time so that was pretty cool.

Hopefully CSC will be back to work tomorrow. The foundations of my previously unshakable patience are starting to crack.

MOX ???

My SO who is USC was given my alien number when he called CSC on Friday...is that good sign?? i never read of anyone being given one before NOA2

Huh. That's pretty strange. I've not heard of that either. Perhaps someone with a little more experience can shed some light on that.

That could be understandable Mox.. but pls do keep that remarkable patience intact longer coz a lot of people are drawing strength from that "unshakable patience" of yours... you've been doing a great job lifting the spirits of a lot of people here. KUDOS to you MOX!

You're NOA2 will soon come and when it does, it will be as sweet as sweet can be.

Is there no way that you can call her.. as in really tall with her on the phone?

You are probably besieged now by negative thoughts and feelings, just hang in there and keep your love for her burning by thinking of all the things you love about her and all the happy moments you have spent with her... it is great that you continue to keep in touch with her in spite of her silence. in 2weeks time it will be march already and you will be visiting her... there you will find out what's the deal with her silence. I hope everything will turn out right for the two of you.

i wish you all the best. God bless you always.

You're too kind, thanks! Last night I was feeling a little low, but I'm feeling much better this morning. So I continue to patiently wait.

There are a lot of us pulling for you, Mox... or is it pushing !? Anyway... good luck!

The numbers are assigned right away, I was told by the only truly helpful Immigration Officer (NOT a front-line idiot) to whom I spoke. However, because we do not think to ask for this number, no one at the eminently helpful, forthcoming, supportive California Disservice Center is obliged or inclined to tell us what the number is or even that we have it. Incidentally, the number is officially known as the "Administrative" number, because of politically correct offense that is taken when someone is called an "alien." Si, man. (In Mexico or elsewhere, would we NorteAmericanos be assigned a "gringo number"?)

There is no need to wait PATIENTLY, dude. You oughta try calling an ImmigOff (not a front-line idiot) at the CDC ("D" = Disservice) to ask at what station your file is, and can the ImmigOff please e-mail someone who can hand-carry it to the next station.

Well, how very kind, si man. It is harder to catch her by phone than one imagines, and if I leave voice-mail, there'd be no guarantee that she would call back, and if she's stressed, the conversation would not be productive, either in itself or long-term, I don't think. And, you're right -- March 12 around midnight when the plane lands -- or sooner, should she desire cancellation -- will tell the tale, si man.

If she dumps me, I will ask for the engagement ring and the advance-purchase wedding ring back, but I will continue to love her.

Thanks for info Tbone

As a grizzled senior member of VJ who has gone through all of the inestimable garbage that you have (and more), and quoting Bartles & Jaymes, "we thank you for your support, si man."

I sincerely hope there is a happy outcome for you TB. I wrote a really long reply yesterday to one of your posts and it got eaten by the internets! It involved various points of commentary, points A to (iv). The main point I wanted to make though was to suggest, if you have not done so already, you take an active interest in her career. Rather than seeing it as a mistake you made, embrace the idea of her taking your advice. If she's unwilling to talk, for whatever reason, it may encourage her to be more open if you took the focus off the visa and placed it on her future career plans. How does she see things progressing if she moves to the US etc. ?

Just an idea.

Why, thank you, T. I have read (and been told) over and over that RESPECT goes miles (er, kilometers) with Latinas, si man. And how dare the Internet eat your writings?

To all: I have decided to start a new thread (if I can figure out how), tentatively entitled "How to Shake the CSC Loose for Your NOA2," with the tips that worked for me after months of banging my head against closed doors and idiots. Si, man.

The thread is now posted, si man, but with a more grammatically correct title, si man. We will see if the VJ authorities allow it to remain, and with its current title.

I tell ya, the CSC negect here is bordering on malfeasance. Just look at the last few days CSC approvals 2/14 0, VSC 8....... CSC 2/15 approvals 0, VSC 2.......CSC approvals since 2/15 0, VSC 2. I mean come on now, this is getting rediculous. Purportedly these guys have hired a bunch of staff - they're 2/3's larger than VSC, but can't seem to get the job done. More staff, less production - I wonder if the director out there is feeling the heat, or is anyone at USCIS actually paying any attention at all. I can appreciate that there might be a few slow individuals in a large group of adjudacators, but this inability to get the job done makes it seem like everyone there is on holiday. I'm not even expecting any activity for months to come and I'm still pissed, I can't imagine how people on the cusp are feeling. Please Obama, walk over the the CSC and start the chant "Yes we can!!"

Absolutely si, man, to everything. They do have zillions of other applications to process besides ours; one Immigration Officer told me that if three bulldozers worked all day in there, they still couldn't carry all of the files out. This is not to excuse their malfeasance, particularly their "we process applications in the order we receive them" falsehood, but merely to frame the scope of the problem.

I guess the point is that we all pay the same fee, regardless of whether we live on the East Coast, Midwest, or West Coast, yet our processing times are drastically different and dependant on the state where we live. I'm not asking for a visa for my SO to enter Illinois, I'm asking for a visa for her to enter the US. Yet the time I have to wait depends on my state. If the backlog is untenable at the CSC, then files should be sent to VSC until such time as the adjudication equalizes and everyone gets the same deal. Sorry VSC filers, but the disparity is getting rediculous and is absolutely unfair.

I agree 100% with Ohla,.....
it's SO not fair that us CSC Filers are having to wait this long while VSC is already approving DECEMBER Filers........Gee CSC STILL has ppl from July and August waiting to FINALLY get approved.
That fee increase should be taken back because instead of better and faster service we now have to wait even longer to be reunited with our loved ones.
It is making me mad,sad,depressed and just very desperate.
All we are asking for is to be with the person we love!
Why is it so importnat to process AOS and Citizenship stuff while there's ppl having to live seperate and apart in different countries/parts of the world just because the work load is not shared equally among the Service Centers???????
I'm really getting tired of that and I don't even want to look into any mixed threads anymore cause it brings me down every single day to see how fast VSC is and how horribly slow CSC is...........
Ya ranting and raving but for crying out loud it's the truth!
Nat

Totally agree with this. This is what is fundamentally unfair about this process. When people ask whether the I-129F can be expedited I feel like saying 'yeah move to a state where you can file at VSC'. Having said this, VSC were pretty tardy with July filers too, in fact they were worse than CSC because they apparently ignored a number of July petitions and forged ahead with October petitions. At least at CSC they usually approve petitions submitted within 4-6 weeks of one another. Not much comfort I know. Good luck though, it's very hard waiting.

You nailed it TB. It's not the slow processing that bothers me, it's the "processing in the order in which they are received" part that bothers me.

There are a million different reasons that could cause slow processing, and many of those would even be good reasons. Even with the additional manpower I know things are backed up, and even something simple like a fire drill could cause a processing delay. And let's not forget that USCIS are actually adhering to their 180 day commitment in the vast majority of cases. So as far as I'm concerned, slow processing gets a pass.

"Processing in the order in which they are received," however, does not get a pass. Slightly out of order, I can understand. But when there are July filers who still haven't been adjudicated, and then out of thin air they are approved at the same time September and October filers are being approved, well then that's inexcusable.

As I've said before, there is a problem with the leadership at the top. Unfortunately the director is a Presidential appointee, and as such is safe in his job through January. So all we can really do is continue to throw ourselves at the wall.

Whoops -- I see now, and you're dead-nuts on. But, since when does common sense rule? I was told to mail my application to the Texas Service Center, which then sent it to California, costing me a week or more. In fairness (shared bitterness?) to VSC, VSC was even worse than CSC for several months until not long ago -- read some of the vitriolic posts on those threads! The hard pill to swallow is why there used to be four centers (NSC the other) processing I-129Fs and now there are only two, if indeed any "processing" is occurring.

The other unfair disparity is how long it takes APPROVED I-129Fs to reach the NVC from the CSC (a month, or until a crate is full), whereas the (geographically much closer) VSC gets the approved files there in well inside a week's time.

It wouldn't take that long if they were filling up the boxes faster I've got my rant out of the way for now. It's funny, if you go over to the Waiting for NOA2 from VSC thread, they're complaining how long its taking too. All things are relative I guess.

Si, man... but it's too bad that we can't marry our SOs sooner so that THEY can be relatives, too!

And rant whenever you feel like it -- these forums (fora?) keep us all from going cuckoo. Meanwhile, post some fotos (Spanish spelling) so that we can see Who Is Ranting and his assuredly lovely SO.

A funny thing happened on the way to the embassy........they sent only half of the info.........and instead of sending the other half down they had to send the other half up to be reassembled and send it back.......I guess that is why I have NO warm fuzzies or good feelings these days......The embassy in Lima has been great but they told me they could not accept an incomplete or 1/2 of a packet.......Luckily they called NVC and it was located quickily but it is yet another delay in this process from hell......It still has not left NVC for the second time.....I can not get an explaination as to why but it is still sitting.....at least complete now......in New Hampshire I hope not gathering dust again.......I call every day and they are all so nice but it is just a kinder version of USCIS to me at this point.....No info....no reason.....just check back in a couple of days......OMG I just want to choke something.........So you can see this is why I am in such a horrific mood

Hey T bone long time no chat....How are you?????.......Lora

One of the reasons I really like this thread is that it doesn't tend to degenerate into a complete USCIS bashing thread. We tend to vent and then we move on, support one another, chat about whatever, and just generally try to keep things positive. We have so much to complain about, and yet we always seem to find ways to support each other in positive ways. So yeah, everyone should feel free to rant, knowing that there are people here who will not only sympathize with your plight, but will also turn that frown upside down. Or at least sideways.

Yo, Lora! I'm fine, thanks, si man, but haven't heard from the fiancee in 10 days (see posts, this thread, last few days). This is almost like not hearing from USCIS or NVC -- ha! And, hey -- get your VSC pals to post their experiences under the new "How to Shake Your NOA2 Loose" thread, si man?


Si, man, in spades. One of those VSC threads (which has since died down) was vitriolic, si man!

It really is refreshing and uplifting to read everyones posts. This process can really be a downer. Everyday I find myself marking off the calendar and wondering how much longer. Knowing that there are many that have been waiting since July or even longer is truly sad. The fact that they are not really approving them in order is really frustrating and really makes our timelines or estimates of approval invalid. It is also a real bummer that we are dependant on a large and bloated government agency that is very inefficient. Despite all of this I still believe that good things happan to good people and even though I have not been a very active participant in this forum I have read all of your posts every evening and I think my sanity has been preserved by all of you.
Mox, you have to be one of the most unselfish people here or anywhere. I hope your congressman will get an answer about the processing order. Actually I think that this is actually a good strategy to question CSC on. It may be a good subject for everyone to question there congressmen or women about. The manner in which they are approving them gives the appearance that they are very unorganized and that files are getting misplaced or whatever the case may be.
So once again A Big Thanks to everyone and lets not lose hope and may CSC awaken and all of us move to the next stage !
Oh Yes...I really miss my OLYA VERY MUCH !

We are the Chorus, and we agree. We agree, we agree, we agree. Repeat after us: "SI, MAN!"

Not only is Mox an Aly-dubbed "Hono(u)rary July Filer," but he should also be installed as Crown Prince of VJ (until such time as he gets his NOA2 et al., and then he can be happily outta here). As a mere Colonist (si, man), I am sadly unqualified to promote, dub, or otherwise entitle anyone; nay, I am barely worthy of up-scooping the road-apples from Mox's knightly steed (neigh, man). Happily, however, there are many Brits on here who have studied centuries' worth of such matters (our Queer Old Dean... er, Dear Old Queen and all that). Who shall ascend the royal VJ throne and perform the anointment?

Or, if we wish to pursue a much easier yet less ceremonious Latin American course of action, we can perform a military coup and achieve the same end. Mox, which south-of-the-border country do you wish to claim? (I have dibs on Aruba, Ecuador, & Cancun, si man.)

Stop it. (and thank you for the compliment!)


There's a little apartment in a shoddy building in a remote city in Russia that only gets hot water a few hours a day, the bathrooms are communal, and the internet sucks. Crown me Czar of that little hovel and give me the hand of the woman who lives there, and we'll call it even.

(*ahem* that is the...er...brunette woman who lives there. The blond will need to find a new place to live. Am I not merciful?)

Well, someone of our acquaintance may or may not be in the market again; does the blond like to go fishin'? If so, send picture of her boat & motor.

Congratulations to Svetlana & Aaron who posted their approval from last week! and also
Congratulations to ni & nj who posted their approval from yesterday!

I just logged into USCIS website and saw that our file got touched today. I haven't called or anything. I hope it's good news! We're going nuts.

I'm hoping good news is around the corner for you. Someone's got to break the log jam over at CSC, why not you? You must be very very excited

Ooops! looks like "done" forgot to update their timeline (Inna & Timothy), # 3 on the waiting to be approved list.

APPROVAL NOTICE SENT!!! Oh My dear God, we've been notified of approval letter sent!!!!!!


*** DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS E-MAIL ***

The last processing action taken on your case

Receipt Number: WACxxxxxxxxxxxx

Application Type: I129F , PETITION FOR FIANCE(E)

Current Status: Approval notice sent.

I sent a PM, but he's probably still celebrating. I just like saying congrats, so, Congrats!
Everyone, take one step closer to the bar.

Oh yes, they were approved in December