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Rob & Jin
QUOTE(babblesgirl @ Jan 29 2008, 01:15 PM) *
QUOTE(a-jeanne @ Jan 29 2008, 08:00 PM) *
I totally agree with Mox. And I also agree that there are a lot of issues that are more important than the USCIS that need to take the front line. If you think about it, if we weren't going through this situation, would we give a darn about the immigration process?


prolly not. Fair point.



I dont think most people are aware there even is this crazy process. blink.gif
wizardfitz
I agree with that. i had never new there was a long process. when i was in the service it seemed fairly. the guys got married and then the wife came home with the, all my friends and family thought Maribel would be returning with me. they cant believe the amount of paperwork and time involved.
StillThePrettiest
I have had quite a number of people try to tell me that 'oh, I've gone through the same thing when I / my husband / wife applied to move here...' ('here' being a number of countries not the US wink.gif )

but of course when you delve into it even a tiny bit, you always find that the two of them were able to live together while the application was pending, and work, and basically just get on with their lives... I don't know about all you guys, but I for one would STRONGLY oppose the idea that the worst part of this process is the paperwork wacko.gif

paperwork I can handle - could handle double the amount; even triple - it's the limbo and the separation and the uncertainty and all of that that's the killer unsure.gif
mox
QUOTE(StillThePrettiest @ Jan 29 2008, 02:18 PM) *
I have had quite a number of people try to tell me that 'oh, I've gone through the same thing when I / my husband / wife applied to move here...' ('here' being a number of countries not the US wink.gif )

but of course when you delve into it even a tiny bit, you always find that the two of them were able to live together while the application was pending, and work, and basically just get on with their lives...

I have a friend who married a Canadian woman. She came over, they got married, got themselves a lawyer, and adjusted status that way. They simply can't understand why I'm doing it the "long" way. I like my friend and his wife a lot, but I have to grit my teeth when we talk about immigration. I don't begrudge that they did it the "iffy" way (okay let's face it, the "fraudulent" way, as that was their plan all along, but whatever) but they really just don't get it.

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I don't know about all you guys, but I for one would STRONGLY oppose the idea that the worst part of this process is the paperwork wacko.gif

paperwork I can handle - could handle double the amount; even triple - it's the limbo and the separation and the uncertainty and all of that that's the killer unsure.gif

AGREED. I'd do paperwork every day for 6 months if my SO could be here with me while I do it.
LadyNoles
QUOTE(mox @ Jan 29 2008, 05:34 PM) *
QUOTE(StillThePrettiest @ Jan 29 2008, 02:18 PM) *
I have had quite a number of people try to tell me that 'oh, I've gone through the same thing when I / my husband / wife applied to move here...' ('here' being a number of countries not the US wink.gif )

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but of course when you delve into it even a tiny bit, you always find that the two of them were able to live together while the application was pending, and work, and basically just get on with their lives...

I have a friend who married a Canadian woman. She came over, they got married, got themselves a lawyer, and adjusted status that way. They simply can't understand why I'm doing it the "long" way. I like my friend and his wife a lot, but I have to grit my teeth when we talk about immigration. I don't begrudge that they did it the "iffy" way (okay let's face it, the "fraudulent" way, as that was their plan all along, but whatever) but they really just don't get it.


QUOTE
I don't know about all you guys, but I for one would STRONGLY oppose the idea that the worst part of this process is the paperwork wacko.gif

paperwork I can handle - could handle double the amount; even triple - it's the limbo and the separation and the uncertainty and all of that that's the killer unsure.gif

AGREED. I'd do paperwork every day for 6 months if my SO could be here with me while I do it.


The reason why your friends did it that way is that we "canadians" used to not have to go through the k-1 process to marry an american....Ya its kinda touchy and become a 'fraud' if you have planned your wedding for few months but some want to risk it..

I wish me and my fiance would have been more 'spontanous' and got married a week after he proposed loll darn wacko.gif

But we are honnest people so we do it the long way innocent.gif and we want a nice wedding day yes.gif
And yes the paperwork isnt the hardest part loll

ITS WAITING WAITING AND TRYING TO PASS THE BORDERS WITHOUT MY BUTT KICKED blush.gif BACK LOLL
mox
QUOTE(LadyNoles @ Jan 29 2008, 02:55 PM) *
The reason why your friends did it that way is that we "canadians" used to not have to go through the k-1 process to marry an american....Ya its kinda touchy and become a 'fraud' if you have planned your wedding for few months but some want to risk it..

I wish me and my fiance would have been more 'spontanous' and got married a week after he proposed loll darn wacko.gif

But we are honnest people so we do it the long way innocent.gif and we want a nice wedding day yes.gif
And yes the paperwork isnt the hardest part loll

ITS WAITING WAITING AND TRYING TO PASS THE BORDERS WITHOUT MY BUTT KICKED blush.gif BACK LOLL

Well don't get me wrong, I'm not judging them. If it were possible for me to go the "oh we spontaneously decided to get married" route, knowing what I know now, I'd do it in a heartbeat. I'm all about abiding by the law, but when the law stops serving its intended purpose then I start to be about bypassing said law. What I meant was that my friend and his wife just don't seem to understand that it really is a difficult process when done correctly. I'll try to explain the process and they interrupt and say "just get her a tourist visa!" Never mind that Russians don't just "get "tourist visas, but that's another story. So they almost seem to think that I'm going through all this hardship because I'm trying to save lawyer money or something. It's bizarre.
TracyOz
Hi Yah Mox...
This WHOLE thing is bizzare... blink.gif timeconsuming, emotionally draining and frustrating and really it is a RIGHT ROYAL PAIN IN THE PATOOTIE... if you ask me..

My thoughts are still that the USA divorce rate would not be sitting on 50% IF EVERY SINGLE person in the USA prior to wanting to get married had to be put into an enforced 6-18 month separation, and had to communicate to actually discover things about each other (so that it wasn't just lust blush.gif ), if they had to go through the financial costs, and then the probing into personal lives, medicals and all sorts of other riff raff.. If standard USA folks prior to marriage had to prove their devotion, love and relationship (time spent together, contact made between them, and in detail knowledge about the other)...

WOW - how many folks would actually "go the distance" from that short spurt of immediate infatuation - through to the actual marriage ceremony... ummmm not many LOL...

So I STILL think while bizarre, frustrating, draining and downright annoying that we are all going through this total nightmare .... just think of what hurdles we are overcoming - how, at a distance we are able with our loved ones to talk and deal with situations and actually get through them together - how we are really actually getting to know our partners on a far deeper level than just a quick "hi honey how was your day - good - oh mine was crappy - now lets eat some food, not talk about anything, watch some TV and jump into bed"... LOL...

Okay so that is my optimism for the week - BELIEVE me it won't last (especially if CSC doesn't start to SHAKE SOME DARN "TAIL FEATHER") and make some action happen, my kids and I have just moved out of my house (that I sold last year organising a late January settlement THINKING STUPIDLY that we would be in the USA by the first week in February <crazed giggle>) and we are now all squished into my ex's place - there are boxes and suitcases EVERYWHERE and believe you me, ummm sharing a house with my ex is not what I call optimum <LOL> GREAT for the kids though to have this chance to spend some time with their Dad before we move O/S... BUT a crazy situation non-the-less.....

have a GREAT day folks... and COME ON CSC... COME ON...
Tracy
:-)
u2rsobad
QUOTE(mox @ Jan 29 2008, 01:35 PM) *
QUOTE(StillThePrettiest @ Jan 29 2008, 01:07 PM) *
he is, and he's unaware that obsequiousness will just see him off the next list altogether wink.gif

unsure.gif So...that would be "no" on the beverage?


Okay, mox..I'm still celebrating our approval and on cloud 9 over here, so I'll take you up on STP's beverage smile.gif Besides, it would be alcohol abuse just to toss it!
Jeraly
QUOTE(mox @ Jan 29 2008, 05:33 PM) *
Filers approved per service center by month. Percentage is % of filers approved. (larger is better)

CODE
            CSC               VSC
______________________________________________
July      | 145/197 (73.6%) | 103/128 (80.4%)
August    | 12/48   (25%)   | 28/38   (73.7%)
September | 0/50    (0%)    | 44/62   (70.1%)
October   | 0/63    (0%)    | 25/79   (31.6%)
November  | 0/36    (0%)    | 0/41    (0%)
December  | 0/41    (0%)    | 1/39    (2.6%)
January   | 1/22    (4.5%)  | 1/41    (2.4%)


unsure.gif Wow - CSC really looks dire sad.gif

QUOTE(nica19 @ Jan 29 2008, 05:41 PM) *
Heres a couple articles postulating that the slowdown at USCIS is actually a plot by the Republicans and the current Administration to prevent applicants from voting in the upcoming presidential elections.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...8012502997.html

http://www.ilw.com/articles/2008,0128-lee.shtm

I wouldnt put it past our government to do it...


I thought that to vote you had to be a USC?

QUOTE(Rob & Jin @ Jan 29 2008, 09:43 PM) *
QUOTE(babblesgirl @ Jan 29 2008, 01:15 PM) *
QUOTE(a-jeanne @ Jan 29 2008, 08:00 PM) *
I totally agree with Mox. And I also agree that there are a lot of issues that are more important than the USCIS that need to take the front line. If you think about it, if we weren't going through this situation, would we give a darn about the immigration process?


prolly not. Fair point.



I dont think most people are aware there even is this crazy process. blink.gif


Agreed - so many people I speak to think I just get married and that is it - it is crazy... We didn't know the half of it at first although now I am glad of the experience - it has taught us a lot and not just about immigration. Of course if I were still waiting for my NOA2 then I would prolly not be feeling that way mad.gif
mox
QUOTE(u2rsobad @ Jan 29 2008, 03:46 PM) *
QUOTE(mox @ Jan 29 2008, 01:35 PM) *
QUOTE(StillThePrettiest @ Jan 29 2008, 01:07 PM) *
he is, and he's unaware that obsequiousness will just see him off the next list altogether wink.gif

unsure.gif So...that would be "no" on the beverage?


Okay, mox..I'm still celebrating our approval and on cloud 9 over here, so I'll take you up on STP's beverage smile.gif Besides, it would be alcohol abuse just to toss it!

EXCELLENT!! Celebrating an NOA2...lessee...I think mimosa's all around are in order!

And since I don't know any Japanese toasts, a Russian toast will have to do. За дружбу! (To friendship!) May we all be reunited with our loved ones soon!
mox
QUOTE(Jeraly @ Jan 29 2008, 03:56 PM) *
I thought that to vote you had to be a USC?

Exactly. The theory is that immigrants tend to vote Democratic because Dems are viewed as traditionally more friendly towards immigrants. If your citizenship is held up by USCIS then you can't vote. If you are an immigrant and can't vote, then that's less votes for Democrats.

This isn't really the case anymore though. Republicans have made major inroads into Hispanic communities. They've recently lost a lot of that support (mostly through this whole "build a giant fence along the Mexican border" insanity), but the support they still have is not insignificant. Republicans are seen by many as "family oriented," something that is very important to many Hispanics who are predominately Catholic. Republicans are also anti-abortion, and you know how Catholics are about that issue.

It's possible that the Dems would still lose more than the Republicans by holding up citizenship processing. But I still think the answer is simply that we're still dealing with an administration that just doesn't care.
Jeraly
Gah - politics - it's all a load of bush*t tongue.gif laughing.gif I can't stand it - it's a competition to decide who can lie the best!!!

Anyway - post midnight so am off to bed... no VJ in work though - they blocked it again today - boo!! Ah well - will have to get online tomorrow evening smile.gif

Night guys!! biggrin.gif
mox
QUOTE(Jeraly @ Jan 29 2008, 04:09 PM) *
Gah - politics - it's all a load of bush*t tongue.gif laughing.gif I can't stand it - it's a competition to decide who can lie the best!!!

Anyway - post midnight so am off to bed... no VJ in work though - they blocked it again today - boo!! Ah well - will have to get online tomorrow evening smile.gif

Night guys!! biggrin.gif

What?!?! You're not having a mimosa with us before bed? mad.gif Fine. More for us! biggrin.gif

G'night!
u2rsobad
QUOTE(mox @ Jan 29 2008, 04:00 PM) *
QUOTE(u2rsobad @ Jan 29 2008, 03:46 PM) *
QUOTE(mox @ Jan 29 2008, 01:35 PM) *
QUOTE(StillThePrettiest @ Jan 29 2008, 01:07 PM) *
he is, and he's unaware that obsequiousness will just see him off the next list altogether wink.gif

unsure.gif So...that would be "no" on the beverage?


Okay, mox..I'm still celebrating our approval and on cloud 9 over here, so I'll take you up on STP's beverage smile.gif Besides, it would be alcohol abuse just to toss it!

EXCELLENT!! Celebrating an NOA2...lessee...I think mimosa's all around are in order!

And since I don't know any Japanese toasts, a Russian toast will have to do. За дружбу! (To friendship!) May we all be reunited with our loved ones soon!


Thanks! good.gif (Although I'm celebrating our interview approval and him being here in a couple of weeks!) Most Japanese toasts I know of are long (they tend to get long-winded after a few smile.gif ) So, the Russian toast is great!! To friendship!
mox
QUOTE(u2rsobad @ Jan 29 2008, 04:12 PM) *
Thanks! good.gif (Although I'm celebrating our interview approval and him being here in a couple of weeks!)


Oh criminy, I KNEW that! I've totally got NOA2 on the brain. I just can't seem to NOA2 without NOA2 NOA2 NOA2!

QUOTE
Most Japanese toasts I know of are long (they tend to get long-winded after a few smile.gif ) So, the Russian toast is great!! To friendship!

Oh wait...isn't there one that sounds like "kam pai?" I have no idea what it means, I have a buddy that always says it when we have Saki.
khengool
QUOTE(TBoneTX @ Jan 28 2008, 07:41 PM) *
QUOTE(khengool @ Jan 28 2008, 05:10 PM) *
I will call again in 2 days.

this is pretty standard, no?

This worked for me: Do call again in 2 days, making sure to reach an Immigration Officer. Ask him exactly where in the "Division" your file is. When he tells you, politely ask him to send an e-mail to the floor to ask the appropriate person to carry it to the next station.

This last is "talking their language," and the action is something that they can do for you. The request to send an e-mail is also a crucial part of keeping your file moving. Try it!



called again today.

the lady was nice.

she told me that our case was already assigned to an officer and that we should hear something soon.

i took your advice and asked her to send an email to the floor to see if they could get the application to the next station if it was done at the current one.

she said she could only send an email to the officer to let them know there was an inquiry.

I will call again tomorrow.
u2rsobad
QUOTE(mox @ Jan 29 2008, 04:23 PM) *
QUOTE(u2rsobad @ Jan 29 2008, 04:12 PM) *
Thanks! good.gif (Although I'm celebrating our interview approval and him being here in a couple of weeks!)


Oh criminy, I KNEW that! I've totally got NOA2 on the brain. I just can't seem to NOA2 without NOA2 NOA2 NOA2!

QUOTE
Most Japanese toasts I know of are long (they tend to get long-winded after a few smile.gif ) So, the Russian toast is great!! To friendship!

Oh wait...isn't there one that sounds like "kam pai?" I have no idea what it means, I have a buddy that always says it when we have Saki.



Yes smile.gif It means "cheers" good.gif
mox
Sooooooo...this is about the time where everyone gets home from work, logs on to their computer, discovers an approval email from CRIS, and cheerily announces it to VJ.

*ahem*

Riiiiiiiggggghhhhht...NOW!

* hears crickets chirping *
* watches tumbleweed blow by *
* soft cough from the audience *

Damn.
u2rsobad
QUOTE(mox @ Jan 29 2008, 04:41 PM) *
Sooooooo...this is about the time where everyone gets home from work, logs on to their computer, discovers an approval email from CRIS, and cheerily announces it to VJ.

*ahem*

Riiiiiiiggggghhhhht...NOW!

* hears crickets chirping *
* watches tumbleweed blow by *
* soft cough from the audience *

Damn.


They're out checking their mailboxes first smile.gif I didn't get an update from CRIS until long after we were approved, but I did get the NOA2 in the mail. Besides...no crickets out tonight..it's cold and we've had rain mixed with snow all day smile.gif

Let's hear it! who got an NOA2 in the mail??
mox
Congrats to Fei & Marc, August (I believe) filers approved yesterday. Congratulations!!!!
a-jeanne

And since I don't know any Japanese toasts, a Russian toast will have to do. За дружбу! (To friendship!) May we all be reunited with our loved ones soon!
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Here Here!!!!! *raising a glass of merlot* (still with a brownie clutched in other hand)
Geico
Congrats!!! Fei and Marc kicking.gif kicking.gif kicking.gif
Igor&Elina
QUOTE(Geico @ Jan 29 2008, 08:13 PM) *
Congrats!!! Fei and Marc kicking.gif kicking.gif kicking.gif

Yes! Congrats to Fei and Marc as well as Editha and Matthew!
mox
QUOTE(Igor&Elina @ Jan 29 2008, 10:25 PM) *
QUOTE(Geico @ Jan 29 2008, 08:13 PM) *
Congrats!!! Fei and Marc kicking.gif kicking.gif kicking.gif

Yes! Congrats to Fei and Marc as well as Editha and Matthew!

Oh, sneaky. Edith and Matthew still have their profiles set to Nebraska Service Center. No wonder I didn't get notified. For a sec I thought I thought you had a bug I could present to StP as a peace offering! laughing.gif

Congrats to both of the new approvals!

(oh and bonus! I'm back up to 89!)
Igor&Elina
QUOTE(mox @ Jan 29 2008, 10:46 PM) *
(oh and bonus! I'm back up to 89!)

Well, so you are! But only on my list. laughing.gif
Jeraly
QUOTE(mox @ Jan 30 2008, 12:41 AM) *
Sooooooo...this is about the time where everyone gets home from work, logs on to their computer, discovers an approval email from CRIS, and cheerily announces it to VJ.

*ahem*

Riiiiiiiggggghhhhht...NOW!

* hears crickets chirping *
* watches tumbleweed blow by *
* soft cough from the audience *

Damn.


laughing.gif

In other good news... no CSC hasn't suddenly employed 10000 more staff... but our IT guys realised someone screwed up and blocked practically the whole internet... SO! I can still skive...I mean... "work" on VJ... unsure.gif laughing.gif
snowfrostedlashes
QUOTE(Jeraly @ Jan 30 2008, 04:34 AM) *
In other good news... no CSC hasn't suddenly employed 10000 more staff... but our IT guys realised someone screwed up and blocked practically the whole internet... SO! I can still skive...I mean... "work" on VJ... unsure.gif laughing.gif


Good to see you here happy.gif

And at least there is some movement at CSC now... I'm thinking it will be quicker once they complete the backlog for July since lots of people filed to beat the fee increase (perhaps as a result fewer people filed in August and September?).

Jeraly
Maybe - I just don't understand why things have slowed down so much... maybe they were all working hard at the end of last year so they could get their bonus or somethign?!?!? laughing.gif
mox
Congrats to Jay & Bee, June filers who received their NOA2 yesterday. Congrats!!!!!
Jeraly
Yay!! Let's get the Junies and Julyers out of the way!! biggrin.gif
u2rsobad
Congratulations to May filers Team J and B who got their NOA2 yesterday (after 243 days!) It's about time CSC woke up and finished the rest of the May filers!
TBoneTX
QUOTE(a-jeanne @ Jan 29 2008, 03:33 PM) *
Yeah Tbone. I hope that all went well....

Well... we had The Talk. Your comments are welcomed, but please avoid quoting the whole thing below, si man, out of courtesy for bandwidth and fellow posters. If my evaluation of the situation is full of crap, please feel free to say same.

I was dimly aware before -- and, now, there's no doubt -- that I should have visited her earlier and more often. Because of the type of person she is (active, involved, hands-on), she could not sustain her feelings through just phone and e-mail, and now she has lost her enthusiasm for this kind of relationship, and, by extension, for the idea of marrying me. Her burning desire was never simply to come to the U.S. (She had indicated her dissatisfaction with the remote arrangement in the past, but I merely heard it and failed to LISTEN -- and, more important, to act.)

Her intent is to spend some time (a couple of years, she started off saying, but maybe less) finishing school and continuing with her business (which is doing well and is just what she needed). Had I visited more often, and had the infernal USCIS taken the more usual 4+ months instead of 6+, we'd have been doing well. She does not want to follow through on anything that would risk a short-term marriage being ended by divorce, meaning her arriving in the U.S. with doubts about being ready for a life here.

As usual, our conversation was mutually very respectful; her overriding concern was not to hurt me. She was very surprised, perhaps borderline-astonished, that I was not mad at all; I told her sincerely that my reaction was precisely because I DO love her enough to want what will be best for her, whether it includes me or not. Without prompting, she also admitted that she might, in the future, determine that she had made a terrible mistake by passing me up.

The door is slightly open, because (after I raised several variables about how to give her more time -- not a couple of years, but a number of months, all of which she was surprised to learn about) she volunteered that her feelings or her mind may change. In the meantime, however, we are officially on hiatus at best; we agreed to live our respective lives without expectation (pressure, as things stand) of daily contact, and see how we feel after time. I told her, and she agreed, that when the consulate ultimately sets an interview date, I would tell her of it, and she would be free to appear there or to tell me that it won't happen. (I didn't think to tell her that it is apparently possible to reschedule such appointments, for valid reason, almost indefinitely in 4-month increments. I must investigate this. However, maybe it is better simply to inform her of the consulate appointment when it is scheduled, and, if she wishes to attend it, to remind her that she would then have 6 months to act on the visa. She had assumed that action was required in 3 months.)

After our talk, and after telling her to be alert for stuff from me, I prepared what turned out to be a very thick DHL package with all of the things (cards, trinkets, clippings) that I had been saving for her. If things ultimately don't work out, I'll find a way to send her the remaining larger things that I retain. She didn't want me to go to the expense of a DHL, but I reminded her that the last regular mail (with fotos and a romantic card) didn't reach her, so she understood and appreciated this.

What has not changed: She remains exactly the classy human being that I perceived all along, and (when we WANT) we can communicate and agree/compromise better than perhaps 99.44% of all other couples. It would be beyond a crying shame to lose that, especially if her needs and concerns can be dealt with so that they can be met with me also in the picture. But, I'll wait awhile before suggesting anything, and I will emphasize that I will not need any answers immediately or even at all.

It remains to be seen whether her mind and feelings will change. Meanwhile, I will let her proceed with her business; I will let other thoughts and activities seep into what is probably the actual or pending raw chasm of my heart; and I will (at her suggestion earlier in the conversation) not automatically turn down social opportunities from female-type-women-of-the-opposite-sex (a triple redundancy?) if one of same is interested in me. (However, I don't plan to actively seek these.) And, I know that C. does NOT have anyone else, at her side or in mind.

Last night and today, I was and am feeling a combination of fairly clear acceptance and some numbness (or pre-assimilation of all factors and implications). However, my stomach is one of the biggest wrecks that it's been in recent memory -- quite a dichotomy between head and gut that I can't quite figure out. The only "wet eyes" have come when I consider what a sweetheart of a person she is.

I would NEVER let her stand in the rain.
mox
QUOTE(TBoneTX @ Jan 30 2008, 10:26 AM) *
Well... we had The Talk.

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TBoneTX
QUOTE(mox @ Jan 30 2008, 12:47 PM) *
QUOTE(TBoneTX @ Jan 30 2008, 10:26 AM) *
Well... we had The Talk.

sad.gif

I just want everyone to know that Mox has been totally the greatest, but then we all already know that, si man. smile.gif
LuciansGirl
So sorry to hear that TBoneTX. You made my eyes water... I hope everything works out for the best for you and your SO. sad.gif
u2rsobad
QUOTE(mox @ Jan 30 2008, 10:47 AM) *
QUOTE(TBoneTX @ Jan 30 2008, 10:26 AM) *
Well... we had The Talk.

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You say she's classy, but you're quite the gentleman. I hope the best for both of you rose.gif
TBoneTX
QUOTE(LuciansGirl @ Jan 30 2008, 01:32 PM) *
So sorry to hear that TBoneTX. You made my eyes water... I hope everything works out for the best for you and your SO. sad.gif

Save the watery eyes for places experiencing drought, perhaps, but thanks. I want the SO to get what is best for her.
TBoneTX
QUOTE(u2rsobad @ Jan 30 2008, 01:42 PM) *
You say she's classy, but you're quite the gentleman. I hope the best for both of you rose.gif

I remember experiencing a similar busted romance when I was around 21 years old, and someone said, "Keep being a good guy -- it'll pay off." Your flattering words are part of the payoff. Thanks.
StillThePrettiest
well fark sad.gif

I'm just - well, lots of things, but mainly sorry sad.gif

xx
TBoneTX
QUOTE(StillThePrettiest @ Jan 30 2008, 01:47 PM) *
well fark sad.gif
I'm just - well, lots of things, but mainly sorry sad.gif
xx

You're mainly The Prettiest. Remember to light some matches to burn off the fark. smile.gif
Jeraly
TBone - I would offer commiserations and a shoulder but I must say that from your post I think that is great news... Ok - let me explain because that sounds really bad tongue.gif I never was one for words - I am pretty useless...

When you were discussing having "The Talk" I was dreading you coming back and saying it was over, that she wasn't interested anymore and that her feeling had changed. The fact that you both continue to be so strong and independent yet still love each other is a lesson to us all.

Ok so right now you don't feel so great - you don't know how things are going to work out. But the fact that you are giving her the time and space she feels she needs right now can only work in your favour if it is meant to be. If she decides to go to interview you are right, she has six months to make up her mind. If she decides to give it a go then she has a further three months living with you to make any final decisions...

Have you considered moving to be with her at all? Maybe right now isn't the time but it might be worth thinking about for the future if moving to the US is something she really doesn't want to do.

Don't be a stranger. Everything happens for a reason - I read Kazan Tiger's story and it's not unlike yours. My own story again involves getting with the person I loved, parting ways then ending up here smile.gif

Never lose hope smile.gif

*hugs*
mox
You make a good point Aly. If both partners truly want to find a way to make it work (and it sounds like TB at least does), there are always options. The trick is to discover what those options are, and then decide if it can happen.

I've talked with Kazan Tiger about his story before too, and I'd encourage anyone going through this process to go read the link Aly provided. It's thought-provoking to say the least. If that marriage doesn't last, it'll only be because KT left his shoes on the bed one too many times. smile.gif

In the meantime TB, go find a mime and punch him out. You'll feel a little better and not a jury on the planet will convict you. smile.gif
TBoneTX
QUOTE(Jeraly @ Jan 30 2008, 01:54 PM) *
TBone - I[...] I never was one for words - I am pretty useless... Never lose hope smile.gif

Thanks, Aly; this is good food for thought, and your story and that of KazanTiger are inspirational. I don't know whether she still loves me; also, and this is a rather complex sidebar, Latina women tend to have a different way of deciding on a mate -- it has to do with evaluating how someone treats them, and how respected/protected/taken care of they perceive that they will be. If these questions are satisfied, and they decide to proceed, the process is one of "growing in love" over time. This is an oversimplified generalization, but it has to factor in.

Perhaps C. ultimately concluded that my failure to visit her even once since June diminished the "respect" that I had for her... or, even more simply, that a phone/e-mail relationship wasn't as "real" as living her life actively (as stated). However, she is no dummy, and perhaps our frank chat plus the sappy-drippy stuff in her DHL will cause her to reflect. One thing that we never really discussed was how to integrate her goals of NOW into a newly begun life in the Estados Unidos. Depending on upcoming reactions, or after waiting due time, I may broach the subject with some ideas, of course emphasizing her freedom to consider or ignore them.

I can't go to live with her, but I did begin my call to her with the offer to take her to Valentine's Day dinner in Ecuador, courtesy of permission to take time off work during crunch period. Trouble is, I awakened her (she denied it, but I know!), and I'm not sure that the offer registered before we got into the meat of the talking. I could just show up in Ecuador as a surprise, but she travels so much that I'd risk being there when she wasn't. Maybe I'll simply trust that the call, the DHL, and elapsed time will clarify things for her... although, if this all came about because I wasn't there with her, how could it improve if I still don't visit her? That's an aspect that I'm still wrasslin' (Texan for "wrestling") with.

Finally, Dear, you are NOT useless; rather, you are sweet, thoughtful, witty, and beautiful. And you are not poor for words when you paraphrase one of Britain's greatest, Winnie Churchhill (two h's?): "Never quit!" That is, if it is permissible for a mere Colonist to quote Winnie, si man.


QUOTE(mox @ Jan 30 2008, 02:22 PM) *
In the meantime TB, go find a mime and punch him out.

I prefer going to the park to mutilate squirrels, or pulling the legs off ants and putting them in water and watching them sink, but I like how you think, sir, si man!
Jeraly
Haha - well maybe you could liase with some of her compadres and find out where she is nearer the time then fly down and surprise her. Maybe even call her just before you are due to fly and explain that you would love to see her even if it is briefly and only as friends as you admire her and enjoy her company...

I think I have already said it someplace else but nothing ventured, nothing gained smile.gif You of course know her better than I - she might freak out about that for all I know but wink.gif
mox
QUOTE(TBoneTX @ Jan 30 2008, 12:26 PM) *
I could just show up in Ecuador as a surprise, but she travels so much that I'd risk being there when she wasn't.

Surprise visits to try to re-kindle a relationship are a bad idea. Ask me how I know. Wait. Don't. Just take it from me, it's a bad idea. It doesn't work like in the movies. It's awkward, she feels cornered while you stand there looking like an idiot with a bouquet of flowers as the rest of the family reunion looks on, and the long bus ride home is miserable, mostly because you feel like a complete jackass, but also because the crazy dude next to you smells like Scope and burlap. If you can swing a visit, and she's genuinely up for it, then it's a great idea. But don't do the surprise visit. (Not that I think you were planning to, it's just that I wanted to shut down that particular neuron path before it started to coagulate.)
a-jeanne
My thoughts are with you Tbone. Never give up hope - we all must face speed bumps on life's journey. You both are taking this to a much more mature level than I have ever seen. I admire that!
TBoneTX
QUOTE(mox @ Jan 30 2008, 02:38 PM) *
I wanted to shut down that particular neuron path before it started to coagulate.

Oh, I've been on the waiting list for a brain transplant longer than it takes USCIS to continue not doing anything. Being low on frequent-flyer miles, I'm not fond of surprise visits, and I myself, if on the receiving end, would consider one an imposition. I think that I'll just wait to see how things play out. Too bad, though, because the Cheap Bastard in me notes that airfares are as low as I've ever seen them...
Jeraly
Yeah, what he said...

*points at mox*

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TBoneTX
QUOTE(a-jeanne @ Jan 30 2008, 02:42 PM) *
My thoughts are with you Tbone. Never give up hope - we all must face speed bumps on life's journey. You both are taking this to a much more mature level than I have ever seen. I admire that!

Well, thanks, A. Interesting sidebar: The literal meaning of the word "chapa," I'm told, is "a speed bump, or something that impedes one's progress." In Ecuador, and in parts of Mexico, "chapa" is a mildly disrespectful term for a policeman. (It is not on the level of "puerco," meaning "pig.") During a car ride with natives during my last visit down there, I noticed a puerco and said, "Ah -- chapa." One of the natives laughed and asked how I knew the term. I responded proudly, "Soy hecho en Ecuador" (I am made in Ecuador). Due to my awful pronunciation of Spanish, everyone immediately pointed directions to the bathroom. Ha!
a-jeanne
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QUOTE(TBoneTX @ Jan 30 2008, 02:48 PM) *
QUOTE(a-jeanne @ Jan 30 2008, 02:42 PM) *
My thoughts are with you Tbone. Never give up hope - we all must face speed bumps on life's journey. You both are taking this to a much more mature level than I have ever seen. I admire that!

Well, thanks, A. Interesting sidebar: The literal meaning of the word "chapa," I'm told, is "a speed bump, or something that impedes one's progress." In Ecuador, and in parts of Mexico, "chapa" is a mildly disrespectful term for a policeman. (It is not on the level of "puerco," meaning "pig.") During a car ride with natives during my last visit down there, I noticed a puerco and said, "Ah -- chapa." One of the natives laughed and asked how I knew the term. I responded proudly, "Soy hecho en Ecuador" (I am made in Ecuador). Due to my awful pronunciation of Spanish, everyone immediately pointed directions to the bathroom. Ha!

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