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Kez/JWolf
Ok so the time is here for us to file the I-751, here is our list of evidence.... are we missing anything??

I-751
Check for $545.00
Copy of my Greencard (front and back)
2005 & 2006 joint tax returns
Deads for the house (naming us both as owners)
Mortgage statment (in both names)
Old Lease agreement (in both names and showing old address)
Statement from Joint checking account
Statement from joint savings account
Statement from joint credit card account (showing acctivity for both names)
Electric bill in husbands name
Gas bill in husbands name
Phone bill in my name
Car insurance (listing us both as drivers)
My health care proxy naming my husband
Life insurance policy for me (showing husband as beneficiary)
Life insurance policay for husband (showing me as beneficiary)
IRA in my name (showing husband as beneficiary)
IRA in husbands name (showing me as beneficiary)
Medical & Dental insurance Printout showing us both as being covered
401K in my name (showing husband as benificiary)
AAA membership in joint names
Reciept for furniture (in joint names and new address)
Alarm system agreament (in joint names and new address)
Travel Itinery from our trip to Scotland in 2006 (with boarding passes and photos from the trip)
Travel itinery from our trip to Orlando in May 2007 ( with boarding passes and photos)
Postcard from my Granddaughter (addressed to us both)
Postcards from my Parents from their round the world trip (addressed to us both)
An assortment of photos showing us on 4th July and other family occations
The last Valentines day cards we gave each other....

An I missing anything???

Kez
*Marilyn*
list looks good good.gif
Haole
Add affidavits from 2 people and with what you have there is a GOOD chance they will not require an interview.
Kez/JWolf
We are not including affidavits from 2 people as its not a requirement only an example.. and I think we should be ok... but if they feel we are lacking evidence then we will be happy to go to an interview....

Kez
*Marilyn*
QUOTE(beckypua @ Jul 29 2007, 05:11 PM) *
Add affidavits from 2 people and with what you have there is a GOOD chance they will not require an interview.

we submitted basically the same evidence with a few differences and no affidavits and we didn't have an interview...

I really think affidavits are not good evidence anyways... you could pay anybody to say stuff about you... I think they are looking for more hard evidence that you have an ongoing relationship/marriage...

affidavits are good I guess, if you don't have a lot of other evidence....
Haole
QUOTE(Niagaenola @ Jul 29 2007, 02:21 PM) *
We are not including affidavits from 2 people as its not a requirement only an example.. and I think we should be ok... but if they feel we are lacking evidence then we will be happy to go to an interview....

Kez

Whatever!
The way I read the I-751 is to include the affidavits.
Even if I'm reading it wrong.
For me! The more ammo the better.

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I really think affidavits are not good evidence anyways... you could pay anybody to say stuff about you... I think they are looking for more hard evidence that you have an ongoing relationship/marriage...

Yeah and you can make fake documents of ANYTHING also.
People who sign the affidavits "may" have to testify before a immigration officer which is hard to fake.
alohaspirit
QUOTE(Niagaenola @ Jul 29 2007, 06:13 PM) *
Ok so the time is here for us to file the I-751, here is our list of evidence.... are we missing anything??

I-751
Check for $545.00
Copy of my Greencard (front and back)
2005 & 2006 joint tax returns
Deads for the house (naming us both as owners)
Mortgage statment (in both names)
Old Lease agreement (in both names and showing old address)
Statement from Joint checking account
Statement from joint savings account
Statement from joint credit card account (showing acctivity for both names)
Electric bill in husbands name
Gas bill in husbands name
Phone bill in my name

Car insurance (listing us both as drivers)
My health care proxy naming my husband
Life insurance policy for me (showing husband as beneficiary)
Life insurance policay for husband (showing me as beneficiary)
IRA in my name (showing husband as beneficiary)
IRA in husbands name (showing me as beneficiary)
Medical & Dental insurance Printout showing us both as being covered
401K in my name (showing husband as benificiary)
AAA membership in joint names
Reciept for furniture (in joint names and new address)
Alarm system agreament (in joint names and new address)
Travel Itinery from our trip to Scotland in 2006 (with boarding passes and photos from the trip)
Travel itinery from our trip to Orlando in May 2007 ( with boarding passes and photos)
Postcard from my Granddaughter (addressed to us both)
Postcards from my Parents from their round the world trip (addressed to us both)
An assortment of photos showing us on 4th July and other family occations
The last Valentines day cards we gave each other....

An I missing anything???

Kez
The ones in bold above, no sense in sending those if you don't have joint names on them. They want joint proof!
*Marilyn*
it is ok to send stuff in each other's name if it shows the same address....

I included some evidence with just my hubby's name and some with my name on it but they both showed the same address...

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The documents should cover, but not limited to,the following examples:
1. Birth certificate(s) of child(ren) born to the marriage.

2. Lease or mortgage contracts showing joint occupancy and/or ownership of your communal residence.

3. Financial records showing joint ownership of assets and joint responsibility for liabilities, such as joint savings and checking accounts, joint federal and state tax returns,insurance policies that show the other spouse as the beneficiary, joint utility bills, joint installments or other loans.

4. Other documents you consider relevant to establish that your marriage was not entered into in order to evade the U.S. immigration laws.

5. Affidavits sworn to or affirmed by at least two people who have known both of you since your conditional residence was granted and have personal knowledge of your marriage and relationship. (Such persons may be required to testify before an immigration officer as to the information contained in the affidavit.) The original affidavit must be submitted and also contain the following information regarding the person making the affidavit:his or her full name and address; date and place of birth;relationship to you or your spouse, if any; and full information and complete details explaining how the person acquired his or her knowledge. Affidavits must be supported by other types of evidence listed above.

http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/I-751instr.pdf
alohaspirit
QUOTE(MarilynP @ Jul 30 2007, 12:27 AM) *
it is ok to send stuff in each other's name if it shows the same address....

I included some evidence with just my hubby's name and some with my name on it but they both showed the same address...

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The documents should cover, but not limited to,the following examples:
1. Birth certificate(s) of child(ren) born to the marriage.

2. Lease or mortgage contracts showing joint occupancy and/or ownership of your communal residence.

3. Financial records showing joint ownership of assets and joint responsibility for liabilities, such as joint savings and checking accounts, joint federal and state tax returns,insurance policies that show the other spouse as the beneficiary, joint utility bills, joint installments or other loans.

4. Other documents you consider relevant to establish that your marriage was not entered into in order to evade the U.S. immigration laws.

5. Affidavits sworn to or affirmed by at least two people who have known both of you since your conditional residence was granted and have personal knowledge of your marriage and relationship. (Such persons may be required to testify before an immigration officer as to the information contained in the affidavit.) The original affidavit must be submitted and also contain the following information regarding the person making the affidavit:his or her full name and address; date and place of birth;relationship to you or your spouse, if any; and full information and complete details explaining how the person acquired his or her knowledge. Affidavits must be supported by other types of evidence listed above.

http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/I-751instr.pdf
If it passes, it passes.
Kez/JWolf
OK so now you all have me worried..... you all think I do not have enough joint evidence??

Kez
Lou Lou
QUOTE(Niagaenola @ Jul 30 2007, 06:21 AM) *
OK so now you all have me worried..... you all think I do not have enough joint evidence??

Kez


You have a ton of joint evidence. About twice as much as mine did. I'm sure you'll sail through it.

Good luck. good.gif
*Marilyn*
QUOTE(Niagaenola @ Jul 30 2007, 03:21 AM) *
OK so now you all have me worried..... you all think I do not have enough joint evidence??

Kez

you have plenty of joint evidence.... good.gif

QUOTE(alohaspirit @ Jul 30 2007, 01:05 AM) *
QUOTE(MarilynP @ Jul 30 2007, 12:27 AM) *
it is ok to send stuff in each other's name if it shows the same address....

I included some evidence with just my hubby's name and some with my name on it but they both showed the same address...

***************************
QUOTE
The documents should cover, but not limited to,the following examples:
1. Birth certificate(s) of child(ren) born to the marriage.

2. Lease or mortgage contracts showing joint occupancy and/or ownership of your communal residence.

3. Financial records showing joint ownership of assets and joint responsibility for liabilities, such as joint savings and checking accounts, joint federal and state tax returns,insurance policies that show the other spouse as the beneficiary, joint utility bills, joint installments or other loans.

4. Other documents you consider relevant to establish that your marriage was not entered into in order to evade the U.S. immigration laws.

5. Affidavits sworn to or affirmed by at least two people who have known both of you since your conditional residence was granted and have personal knowledge of your marriage and relationship. (Such persons may be required to testify before an immigration officer as to the information contained in the affidavit.) The original affidavit must be submitted and also contain the following information regarding the person making the affidavit:his or her full name and address; date and place of birth;relationship to you or your spouse, if any; and full information and complete details explaining how the person acquired his or her knowledge. Affidavits must be supported by other types of evidence listed above.

http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/I-751instr.pdf
If it passes, it passes.
Kez/JWolf
Well I am just going to have to go with what we have as I dont think we can add my name to any of the Utility bills... most will only allow one name on the account....


If anyone can think for anything that might make it a stronger case please feel free to comment...


Kez
*Marilyn*
QUOTE(Niagaenola @ Jul 30 2007, 06:20 AM) *
Well I am just going to have to go with what we have as I dont think we can add my name to any of the Utility bills... most will only allow one name on the account....


If anyone can think for anything that might make it a stronger case please feel free to comment...


Kez

you have plenty, believe me... we sent out basically the same amount.... good.gif

i think they look for a lot of financial evidence which you have a lot of... good.gif
*Marilyn*
you are actually sending in more evidence then we did... you will be fine good.gif


just to give you an idea this is what we included in our package ....

copy of rental agreement
copy of car insurance
copy of one recent joint tax form
copy of 401K that states that I am the primary beneficiary
copy of health care statement showing that I am covered under hubby's health care insurance
copy of one recent joint gas bill
copy of one recent joint phone bill
copy of one recent joint cable bill
copy of recent bank statements
copy of paper showing that hubby added me to his bank account
Copy of some bills (Sirius, Netflix etc) with just hubby's name and our address on it
Copy of some bills with just my name on it and our address (recent electric bill etc..)
Some envelopes with both our names and address on them...
motu
QUOTE(Niagaenola @ Jul 30 2007, 07:20 AM) *
If anyone can think for anything that might make it a stronger case please feel free to comment...
Kez


You are in very good shape. My wife will be filing in about 6 months and we will not be submitting as much as you have - my comfort level is pretty high! No letters from friends, etc. either.
We will be submitting a photobook - they are about 6" by 8"; with about 40 + photos of us together and with friends and family from our wedding to the time when we file. This means our trip pictures from Colombia, Miami, Mexico, California, Panama and India. With the last picture of us in front of the Tajmahal!
These photobooks are about $25 for 40 or 50 pictures so they are a good bargain and you can write captions e.g. date, place and names of people in the picture on each page. In my opinion much easier than trying to write who, what and where on the back of the pictures with a pencil.
You have a lot of good evidence - Don't worry about it.
Good Luck
Parivar CSK
I agree you have plenty of evidence. We did include affidavits but they are not required as others said.

Good list!
Cassie
The list looks great, IMHO. I personally would include a couple of letters to cover all my bases, but that's just me. smile.gif
perfect
We sent in basically the same as you - tons of evidence and far more than most people I have seen on VJ. We were sent for interview for our initial AOS and thought we had covered all the bases with ROC. However, even sending in a mountain of evidence, we have still been requested to go for interview - which really ticked me off!!!!!

There doesn't really seem to be any pattern to who send in what and who gets approved for ROC without interview, but looking at your list I would say you have supplied everything they have requested so you should be fine.
Kez/JWolf
Thanks all.... I hope it will be enough.... but if they need to interview us thats ok...

Now I have to photocopy all the stuff... wow that will take a week...

Kez
diadromous mermaid
QUOTE(Niagaenola @ Jul 29 2007, 07:13 PM) *
Ok so the time is here for us to file the I-751, here is our list of evidence.... are we missing anything??

I-751
Check for $545.00
Copy of my Greencard (front and back)
2005 & 2006 joint tax returns
Deads for the house (naming us both as owners)
Mortgage statment (in both names)
Old Lease agreement (in both names and showing old address)
Statement from Joint checking account
Statement from joint savings account
Statement from joint credit card account (showing acctivity for both names)
Electric bill in husbands name
Gas bill in husbands name
Phone bill in my name
Car insurance (listing us both as drivers)
My health care proxy naming my husband
Life insurance policy for me (showing husband as beneficiary)
Life insurance policay for husband (showing me as beneficiary)
IRA in my name (showing husband as beneficiary)
IRA in husbands name (showing me as beneficiary)
Medical & Dental insurance Printout showing us both as being covered
401K in my name (showing husband as benificiary)
AAA membership in joint names
Reciept for furniture (in joint names and new address)
Alarm system agreament (in joint names and new address)
Travel Itinery from our trip to Scotland in 2006 (with boarding passes and photos from the trip)
Travel itinery from our trip to Orlando in May 2007 ( with boarding passes and photos)
Postcard from my Granddaughter (addressed to us both)
Postcards from my Parents from their round the world trip (addressed to us both)
An assortment of photos showing us on 4th July and other family occations
The last Valentines day cards we gave each other....

An I missing anything???

Kez


The list looks comprehensive to me and for the benefit of those that recommended otherwise, affidavits are NOT mandatory and are recommended to supplement submissions where evidence is scant. My only suggestion, Kez, would be to make sure the evidence provided covers the time range in question. You didn't specify which years they were from.

A note to others....

Think of the provision of your evidence as a "video" (succession of time) of your commingled lives, and how that could/would/should be much more compelling than a "snapshot" (one instant frozen in time)
Kez/JWolf
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The list looks comprehensive to me and for the benefit of those that recommended otherwise, affidavits are NOT mandatory and are recommended to supplement submissions where evidence is scant. My only suggestion, Kez, would be to make sure the evidence provided covers the time range in question. You didn't specify which years they were from.


The Bank statements cover from the date we opened them to present and we have some utility bills from our old address and our new address that covers from 2005 to date... I am hoping that is enough and with the travel itineries from 2006 and 2007 and photos from when we married to just last month...

Do you think I need more covering the whole 2 years??

Kez
*Marilyn*
for me I just included the most recent bills and bank statement. etc..... I wasn't called in for an interview nor did I get an RFE....


if you want you could include a bill. utility or bank statement from somewhere near the beginning of the two years and a most recent one.. I think submitting all the bills etc for the entire two years is overkill.... but this is just my opinion...



there is no magic amount of evidence you could send in that would prevent you from an interview... sometimes they just ask for an interview for quality control .....
marcy_d
I only sent in the most recent copy of everything... but I fully anticipate an interview... but don't really care anyways. We are definately a real married couple and an interview doesn't frighten me at all.
nin
I filed mine in January and all I included was a copy of my green card, tax returns and the birth certificate of our youngest son. I saw no reason to gather piles of evidence, I figured if they want that much they'll want to interview us anyway.
We did the least possible "evidence pile" previously too (F1 visa and green card interviews) and the only comment we got was "do you want to show your wedding photos" and we said 'not really' (though we had "everything they could ever want" in a binder, and our then 6 weeks old oldest son with us) and that was fine. But now I feel like a slacker wink.gif

Sid and Nancy
QUOTE(Niagaenola @ Jul 30 2007, 03:21 AM) *
OK so now you all have me worried..... you all think I do not have enough joint evidence??

Kez

You have a lot, there's no need to worry. good.gif

raymaga
You have MORE than enough evidence to prove a bona fide marriage.

We sent almost exactly the same documents as you are sending, and we did not send affidavits from friends or family. We did not receive an RFE for anything, and we were approved without an interview.

You will be just fine with the evidence you have.

Good luck.

Kez/JWolf
Thanks all.... Husband is going to the copy shop tomorrow to get everything copied... hate to think how much it will all cost... then we will be ready to put it all together and then mail it out on Aug 13th...

VSC looks to be taking a long time so I guess we should not expect to here anything from them until end of Sept or even Oct...

Kez
diadromous mermaid
QUOTE(MarilynP @ Jul 30 2007, 01:36 PM) *
for me I just included the most recent bills and bank statement. etc..... I wasn't called in for an interview nor did I get an RFE....


if you want you could include a bill. utility or bank statement from somewhere near the beginning of the two years and a most recent one.. I think submitting all the bills etc for the entire two years is overkill.... but this is just my opinion...



there is no magic amount of evidence you could send in that would prevent you from an interview... sometimes they just ask for an interview for quality control .....


MarilynP,


Just for the record, nowhere did I state or intimate that one should send all bills for the entire 2 years. I did suggest that in reviewing which evidence you wish to submit, you make sure that if you are attempting to demonstrate that you commingle your finances and you share a home, that the evidence shows that this is not simply something done in the "beginning" or towards the "filing date" but rather throughout! Random selection. Selection being the operative word. Choose wisely to tell the story you wish for USCIS to know of you and your alien spouse. Slugs of insipid evidence does no more for the alien than one or two key pieces. One or two pieces that demonstrate little, of course won't be sufficient.
*Marilyn*
QUOTE(diadromous mermaid @ Jul 31 2007, 10:40 AM) *
QUOTE(MarilynP @ Jul 30 2007, 01:36 PM) *
for me I just included the most recent bills and bank statement. etc..... I wasn't called in for an interview nor did I get an RFE....


if you want you could include a bill. utility or bank statement from somewhere near the beginning of the two years and a most recent one.. I think submitting all the bills etc for the entire two years is overkill.... but this is just my opinion...



there is no magic amount of evidence you could send in that would prevent you from an interview... sometimes they just ask for an interview for quality control .....


MarilynP,


Just for the record, nowhere did I state or intimate that one should send all bills for the entire 2 years. I did suggest that in reviewing which evidence you wish to submit, you make sure that if you are attempting to demonstrate that you commingle your finances and you share a home, that the evidence shows that this is not simply something done in the "beginning" or towards the "filing date" but rather throughout! Random selection. Selection being the operative word. Choose wisely to tell the story you wish for USCIS to know of you and your alien spouse. Slugs of insipid evidence does no more for the alien than one or two key pieces. One or two pieces that demonstrate little, of course won't be sufficient.

I wasn't implying that is what you said but I have seen people do that, include all the bills, and utilities from the entire 2 years...

I just included the most recent bills, utilities etc... and i only included one of each..., like one gas bill, one electric bill, one phone bill etc....

but stuff like the 401K , medical benefits etc.. were from somewhere in the 2 years....
Inlove_tx
Kez,

I agree with DM and Marilyn, I think you have plenty of evidence! I will be sending almost the same stuff you are, no affidavits unless they specifically ask for them later and I will gladly mail them then. I think I have too many things already and don't want to overkill it.

offtopic45vn.gif I will apply in about a month and I have a silly question: how are you guys assembling the package?
I have read the guides, but I would like to know a practical description...like, did you send a big envelope or one of those post office Priority Mail boxes??? ...I just don't know how to assemble everything and I doubt it's going to fit in an envelope! helpsmilie.gif

Off-Topic2.gif Good luck Kez, let us know how it goes!!! good.gif
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