RocnKimcollabo
Jul 27 2007, 10:45 AM
My fiance hadhis medical examination this morning. Everything went well for the most part. He was supposed to fly to Barbados last night, however, the airline, for whatever reason decided to not go to Barbados, but to Trinidad, with no warning or explaination.
He had to fly out this morning to Barbados and go straight to the doctor's office. Unable to change clothing etc.
As stated, the medical went well, from what he told me. He had a urinalysis. But then he stated the physician had him take another one as well.
I said why. He asked if I've ever smoked marijuana and I didn't want to lie. I told him when I was 15.
WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU SAY THAT!?!?!?!?!? THAT'S WHY THEY MADE YOU TAKE ANOTHER TEST!!!!!
I'M SO FREAKING MAD.
He hasn't used marijuana in years. My point is, why would you say that. He doesn't realize they put remarks like that in your record.
His urinalysis I'm 100% sure is negative, put his remark, has left a stain in my mind, so God know what the physicians were thinking. To make it worst, my fiance has dredlocks. Not everyone in the Caribbean likes dredlocks or what they might represent (i.e. smoking marijuana)...yeah
I'm furious!
Should I not worry?
nane1104
Jul 27 2007, 10:51 AM
I am not sure what they write down during the medical exam or if the doctor will put a remark in about ordering a second test.Maybe only the result will be reflected in the exam!? I don't know, but you have to honor, at least your fiance was honest...lol
If it was really neccessary to mention it, is another topic...
I hope, it will all work out fine for you guys!
Kez/JWolf
Jul 27 2007, 10:52 AM
Why would encourage him to lie about it???? there are millions of people who smoked weed at some point in their lives... he did the right thing by telling the truth....
Kez
Kym
Jul 27 2007, 10:55 AM
QUOTE(RocnKimcollabo @ Jul 27 2007, 10:45 AM)

My fiance hadhis medical examination this morning. Everything went well for the most part. He was supposed to fly to Barbados last night, however, the airline, for whatever reason decided to not go to Barbados, but to Trinidad, with no warning or explaination.
He had to fly out this morning to Barbados and go straight to the doctor's office. Unable to change clothing etc.
As stated, the medical went well, from what he told me. He had a urinalysis. But then he stated the physician had him take another one as well.
I said why. He asked if I've ever smoked marijuana and I didn't want to lie. I told him when I was 15.
WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU SAY THAT!?!?!?!?!? THAT'S WHY THEY MADE YOU TAKE ANOTHER TEST!!!!!
I'M SO FREAKING MAD.
He hasn't used marijuana in years. My point is, why would you say that. He doesn't realize they put remarks like that in your record.
His urinalysis I'm 100% sure is negative, put his remark, has left a stain in my mind, so God know what the physicians were thinking. To make it worst, my fiance has dredlocks. Not everyone in the Caribbean likes dredlocks or what they might represent (i.e. smoking marijuana)...yeah
I'm furious!
Should I not worry?
Personally, I think your fiance did exactly what he should have done - honesty! So let them take another urinalysis, if you are 100% sure it will be negative, what harm will it be. I really think in this whole immigration process that honesty is the best policy. And besides, the doctor is not naive...I'm sure there have been a lot of people going for their medical that has tried marijauna at some stage in their life...and was honest about it.
Take a deep breath and try to focus on the near future of getting to be with your loved one. (Although I know sometimes that is difficult). If he has been clean, there should be no worries.
GabachaYucateca
Jul 27 2007, 11:02 AM
Unfortunately, I know several people who have been denied a family-based visa for admitting to having smoked pot.
If they have admitted to smoking WITHIN the last three years, they will be denied and banned for three years from applying for a visa. If the person says that they smoked a couple of times, even years ago, they are considered a "drug addict." Three year ban.
There is a clause for ONE TIME experimentation that will supposedly not result in a denial.
One friend's husband was denied because he admitted to smoking over ten years ago, and then their explanation when she spoke with an IO was the his bloodwork showed up positive for use of marijuana in the past three years. despite this being a medical impossibility his visa was denied.
One would think that what Kez said would hold true, but unfortunately not when it comes to medicals for visas to the US.
I hate to say this, but yes, you should be worried. I truly hope that everything works out.
Reza
Jul 27 2007, 01:34 PM
in some type of circumstance. you don't need to say the true! he did worng, he shouldnt say that! buy any way , he well be fine, another test it well be good like the last one.. don't worry
nane1104
Jul 27 2007, 01:40 PM
QUOTE(Reza @ Jul 27 2007, 01:34 PM)

in some type of circumstance. you don't need to say the true! he did worng, he shouldnt say that! buy any way , he well be fine, another test it well be good like the last one.. don't worry
Excuse me???
If it comes to Immigration I strongly advise to always stick with the truth. Now there are things you should only say when asked for and not volunteer to share, but that's entirely different than lying about something.
Reza, seriously, with your attitude, you set yourself up for some big trouble some day!!
Reza
Jul 27 2007, 01:48 PM
QUOTE(nane1104 @ Jul 27 2007, 01:40 PM)

QUOTE(Reza @ Jul 27 2007, 01:34 PM)

in some type of circumstance. you don't need to say the true! he did worng, he shouldnt say that! buy any way , he well be fine, another test it well be good like the last one.. don't worry
Excuse me???
If it comes to Immigration I strongly advise to always stick with the truth. Now there are things you should only say when asked for and not volunteer to share, but that's entirely different than lying about something.
Reza, seriously, with your attitude, you set yourself up for some big trouble some day!!
I didn't coment on your post! my attitude is fine for my self and you keep your self behave last worning!
nane1104
Jul 27 2007, 01:56 PM
QUOTE(Reza @ Jul 27 2007, 01:48 PM)

QUOTE(nane1104 @ Jul 27 2007, 01:40 PM)

QUOTE(Reza @ Jul 27 2007, 01:34 PM)

in some type of circumstance. you don't need to say the true! he did worng, he shouldnt say that! buy any way , he well be fine, another test it well be good like the last one.. don't worry
Excuse me???
If it comes to Immigration I strongly advise to always stick with the truth. Now there are things you should only say when asked for and not volunteer to share, but that's entirely different than lying about something.
Reza, seriously, with your attitude, you set yourself up for some big trouble some day!!
I didn't coment on your post! my attitude is fine for my self and you keep your self behave last worning!
But I comment on your post and you giving bad advice to others. This isn't the first time you have done this. And with "your attitude" I mean the way you are thinking, I didn't mean you have an attitude per se.
And I didn't understand the last part of your reply.
GabachaYucateca
Jul 27 2007, 02:22 PM
Well, I almost always agree with telling the truth to immigration, is it a good idea to do so if it'll surely result in a visa denial?
Do you drink alcohol? and Do you or have you used drugs? are typical medical exam questions (at least in Mexico), and an affirmative answer to the latter will result in a denial, based on the conditions I mentioned above. And they DO profile, at least in Mexico. Men with tattoos and piercings are sometimes much more closely scrutinized and drilled with these questions.
nane1104
Jul 27 2007, 02:29 PM
QUOTE(GabachaYucateca @ Jul 27 2007, 02:22 PM)

Well, I almost always agree with telling the truth to immigration, is it a good idea to do so if it'll surely result in a visa denial?
Do you drink alcohol? and Do you or have you used drugs? are typical medical exam questions (at least in Mexico), and an affirmative answer to the latter will result in a denial, based on the conditions I mentioned above. And they DO profile, at least in Mexico. Men with tattoos and piercings are sometimes much more closely scrutinized and drilled with these questions.
It is one thing if you decide whether to be honest with answering those questions or not. It is another thing to advise others to rather lie.
No doubt it is a tough situation to admit that you maybe used drugs specially if it has been a long time if your whole future might depend on this.
I just think it is the better policy to stick with the truth than have someone later find out that you were lying.
♥C and P♥
Jul 27 2007, 02:30 PM
That's a typical question they ask for any government job...they want to know at anytime during your life if you have done drugs. My mom admitted to me to trying "pot" but...she didn't like it..and isn't a smoker. (I was still gobsmacked at that...hehe) But still..even in my application I just filled out...it asked that..and I didn't lie...Yes, I've tried it...but haven't touched the stuff since 1995. (I'm a USC) ..I know Pete has...It doesn't bother me. What would bother me is if my fiance would still be on drugs and lying about it.
You shouldn't be so hard on him for telling the truth tho.
kitkat1
Jul 27 2007, 02:57 PM
QUOTE(nane1104 @ Jul 27 2007, 02:29 PM)

It is one thing if you decide whether to be honest with answering those questions or not. It is another thing to advise others to rather lie.
No doubt it is a tough situation to admit that you maybe used drugs specially if it has been a long time if your whole future might depend on this.
I just think it is the better policy to stick with the truth than have someone later find out that you were lying.
And that's the bottom line here. Each person has to make their own decision on how to answer questions because it's their own case and their own life. It's true that Mexico is a difficult consulate when it comes to these issues. But no one here should be advising people to lie straight up as Reza posted "in some type of circumstance. you don't need to say the true"
This is a clear violation of TOS and a potentially very very harmful piece of advice. I recognize that there are obviously serious language issues here but bottom line --
you cannot tell people it's ok to lie or "not say the truth". Reza, you need to take nane1104's advice and be much much more careful about what you post here.
Reza
Jul 27 2007, 06:21 PM
QUOTE(nane1104 @ Jul 27 2007, 01:56 PM)

QUOTE(Reza @ Jul 27 2007, 01:48 PM)

QUOTE(nane1104 @ Jul 27 2007, 01:40 PM)

QUOTE(Reza @ Jul 27 2007, 01:34 PM)

in some type of circumstance. you don't need to say the true! he did worng, he shouldnt say that! buy any way , he well be fine, another test it well be good like the last one.. don't worry
Excuse me???
If it comes to Immigration I strongly advise to always stick with the truth. Now there are things you should only say when asked for and not volunteer to share, but that's entirely different than lying about something.
Reza, seriously, with your attitude, you set yourself up for some big trouble some day!!
I didn't coment on your post! my attitude is fine for my self and you keep your self behave last worning!
But I comment on your post and you giving bad advice to others. This isn't the first time you have done this. And with "your attitude" I mean the way you are thinking, I didn't mean you have an attitude per se.
And I didn't understand the last part of your reply.
I didn't advice anybody, I just post my opinion thats it! duh...
kitkat1
Jul 27 2007, 08:36 PM
QUOTE(Reza @ Jul 27 2007, 06:21 PM)

I didn't advice anybody, I just post my opinion thats it! duh...
Reza, it seems you are having a language problem here.
You wrote: "
in some type of circumstance. you don't need to say the true! he did worng, he shouldnt say that"In English,
YOU
DON"T NEED TO = ADVICE
HE
SHOULDN'T SAY THAT = ADVICE.
If you want to give you opinion, you need to say "In my opinion . . . "
You should be more careful -- that's advice -- because your posts are in violation of the Terms of Service of Visa Journey.
cleverkat
Jul 27 2007, 08:55 PM
You know guys, I wish USCIS tested on drug use not only immigrants, but also USC future spouses. My ex was a very heavy pot smoker, and we ended up in the divorce
Clarky and Tarah
Jul 27 2007, 10:44 PM
I think everything will be fine. If it came back 100% ok the first time, it should be 100% ok this time. I also think he did the right thing by telling the truth.
liz_legend 'n Ol
Jul 27 2007, 11:14 PM
any word yet OP?
Daniel and Luciana
Jul 28 2007, 08:46 AM
Bill Clinton smoked pot, and George W. Bush used cocaine!
KarenCee
Jul 28 2007, 09:13 AM
QUOTE(Reza @ Jul 27 2007, 02:48 PM)

QUOTE(nane1104 @ Jul 27 2007, 01:40 PM)

QUOTE(Reza @ Jul 27 2007, 01:34 PM)

in some type of circumstance. you don't need to say the true! he did worng, he shouldnt say that! buy any way , he well be fine, another test it well be good like the last one.. don't worry
Excuse me???
If it comes to Immigration I strongly advise to always stick with the truth. Now there are things you should only say when asked for and not volunteer to share, but that's entirely different than lying about something.
Reza, seriously, with your attitude, you set yourself up for some big trouble some day!!
I didn't coment on your post! my attitude is fine for my self and you keep your self behave
last worning!I think it's you that should take heed...you've not been giving the best advice latelyand I'm sure the moderators have been aware of this as well. I'd be most careful how you advise others on this board.
nane1104
Jul 28 2007, 05:55 PM
QUOTE(Reza @ Jul 27 2007, 01:48 PM)

QUOTE(nane1104 @ Jul 27 2007, 01:40 PM)

QUOTE(Reza @ Jul 27 2007, 01:34 PM)

in some type of circumstance. you don't need to say the true! he did worng, he shouldnt say that! buy any way , he well be fine, another test it well be good like the last one.. don't worry
Excuse me???
If it comes to Immigration I strongly advise to always stick with the truth. Now there are things you should only say when asked for and not volunteer to share, but that's entirely different than lying about something.
Reza, seriously, with your attitude, you set yourself up for some big trouble some day!!
I didn't coment on your post! my attitude is fine for my self and you keep your self behave last w
orning!
You are WARNING me????
JoanBill
Jul 29 2007, 02:56 AM
QUOTE(Reza @ Jul 27 2007, 08:34 AM)

in some type of circumstance. you don't need to say the true! he did worng, he shouldnt say that! buy any way , he well be fine, another test it well be good like the last one.. don't worry
Reza, Joan has her interview in 3 weeks. Please, please oh please - would you coach her? You sound so insightful.
StillThePrettiest
Jul 29 2007, 03:56 AM
*snork*
Elmira
Jul 29 2007, 06:49 AM
but how long ussually canabias stays in your blood?
Jason-Sasha
Jul 29 2007, 12:36 PM
What?...did someone mention pot??
vismaster
Jul 29 2007, 01:52 PM
QUOTE(Elmira @ Jul 29 2007, 06:49 AM)

but how long ussually canabias stays in your blood?
about a month if little to moderate use. if heavy use....longer
Daniel and Luciana
Jul 29 2007, 04:18 PM
38 days depending on weight....
JJWashington
Jul 29 2007, 04:32 PM
I think he did the right thing
JJWashington
Jul 29 2007, 04:33 PM
I think he did the right thing
rebeccajo
Jul 29 2007, 08:34 PM
People get denied for visas for current drug use.
People get denied for visas for lying.
People sometimes need proof of rehabilitation for past drug use (see the user Melo).
Magenta
Jul 29 2007, 09:39 PM
I must just reiterate here that encouraging people to lie to the USCIS is a.) wrong and b.) against the TOS.
Reza
Jul 29 2007, 10:38 PM
You want to say the truth? Go ahead; say sure I did smoke pot 40 days ago! From drawing blood test it well not appears but... the consulate will put your ### on the grass if you say this! Period!
actualy we in america, we have the top sell marijuana in the world with high economey business ... the fact is in law they try to show that yea we care about drugs... act!
go ahead guys and say that in your interview who smoked pot in past 40 days and more! see who has the balls to say this!...I am not a alchoholic or drug user if i were i wont say that! actully my fiancee she is not drug user as will.. so i am pertty much fine on my side.
QUOTE(kitkat1 @ Jul 27 2007, 08:36 PM)

QUOTE(Reza @ Jul 27 2007, 06:21 PM)

I didn't advice anybody, I just post my opinion thats it! duh...
Reza, it seems you are having a language problem here.
You wrote: "
in some type of circumstance. you don't need to say the true! he did worng, he shouldnt say that"In English,
YOU
DON"T NEED TO = ADVICE
HE
SHOULDN'T SAY THAT = ADVICE.
If you want to give you opinion, you need to say "In my opinion . . . "
You should be more careful -- that's advice -- because your posts are in violation of the Terms of Service of Visa Journey.
~Nini~
Jul 29 2007, 10:53 PM
QUOTE(Reza @ Jul 29 2007, 08:38 PM)

You want to say the truth? Go ahead; say sure I did smoke pot 40 days ago! From drawing blood test it well not appears but... the consulate will put your ### on the grass if you say this! Period!
actualy we in america, we have the top sell marijuana in the world with high economey business ... the fact is in law they try to show that yea we care about drugs... act!
go ahead guys and say that in your interview who smoked pot in past 40 days and more! see who has the balls to say this!...
I am not a alchoholic or drug user if i were i wont say that! actully my fiancee she is not drug user as will.. so i am pertty much fine on my side.
Um. Okay.

Poor advice from someone who's previously given bad advice, in my opinion. You can get denied a visa for lying to a consular officer about
anything, much less about previous drug use. Why would you encourage lying, period?
buck501
Jul 29 2007, 11:04 PM
How many people have lied in the interview and been approved? How many people have told the truth and been denied? It is not up to any one here to decide what to do. It is up to the individule that is being interviewed. This is my "opinion". There are some things that if you tell the truth that will absolutley get you denied. Past, present, right or wrong. Tell a lie and get caught, no visa! It is up to the CO to decide. It is up to the person being interviewed that has to live with whatever they decide. My opinion and only my opinion..................do what you think is right.
Reza
Jul 29 2007, 11:09 PM
awesome, we are in seam spot, do what you think is right! truth or lie up to to them not us
QUOTE(buck501 @ Jul 29 2007, 11:04 PM)

How many people have lied in the interview and been approved? How many people have told the truth and been denied? It is not up to any one here to decide what to do. It is up to the individule that is being interviewed. This is my "opinion". There are some things that if you tell the truth that will absolutley get you denied. Past, present, right or wrong. Tell a lie and get caught, no visa! It is up to the CO to decide. It is up to the person being interviewed that has to live with whatever they decide. My opinion and only my opinion..................do what you think is right.
sara535
Jul 29 2007, 11:31 PM
Reza - no one can tell you or anyone else what to say in an interview or in the immigration process in general. but whatever you decide to say or not say, it sure doesnt seem like a good idea to air something like this out on a public message board. partially because VJ is a great resource for sound advice and experiences that conform to the legal way of doing things but also because it is known that at least from time to time immigration and consular officers are known to read this board! there was someone a couple of years ago who was specifically asked at her consulate interview about something she had posted on VJ, the officer mentioned the site by name, and knew her user name. Do you really want to be taking the chance that the wrong set of eyes could read this forum and see you stating your opinion that maybe sometimes its a good idea to lie at an interview? So have your opinion about how to handle these issues but if I were you I would have a little more discretion when it comes to something as serious about immigration and illegal acts and lying about them. Use some common sense!
Just my opinion.....
babybunny
Jul 30 2007, 12:17 AM
QUOTE(Reza @ Jul 27 2007, 06:21 PM)

QUOTE(nane1104 @ Jul 27 2007, 01:56 PM)

QUOTE(Reza @ Jul 27 2007, 01:48 PM)

QUOTE(nane1104 @ Jul 27 2007, 01:40 PM)

QUOTE(Reza @ Jul 27 2007, 01:34 PM)

in some type of circumstance. you don't need to say the true! he did worng, he shouldnt say that! buy any way , he well be fine, another test it well be good like the last one.. don't worry
Excuse me???
If it comes to Immigration I strongly advise to always stick with the truth. Now there are things you should only say when asked for and not volunteer to share, but that's entirely different than lying about something.
Reza, seriously, with your attitude, you set yourself up for some big trouble some day!!
I didn't coment on your post! my attitude is fine for my self and you keep your self behave last worning!
But I comment on your post and you giving bad advice to others. This isn't the first time you have done this. And with "your attitude" I mean the way you are thinking, I didn't mean you have an attitude per se.
And I didn't understand the last part of your reply.
I didn't advice anybody, I just post my opinion thats it! duh...
you posted something that another may look at as the GOD HONEST TRUTH and the WAY to handle this kind of issue. this topic is not new on VJ but, you never know who will read what you say and how they will react. they are just giving you caution.
nane1104
Jul 30 2007, 06:49 AM
Reza, what YOU do and say to the USCIS is totally up to you. If you think telling lies is fine, then go ahead. That is your decision and yours alone. But please stop advising other people to do so as well.
Like stated before, this is a TOS violation!
Of course people have lied and do lie and will lie at interviews. Nobody doubts it and I am sure, some people get away with it. That doesn't make it right though.
Raspect
Jul 30 2007, 10:36 AM
DO NOT SAY THAT YOU HAVE HAD A HERB SMOKE
EVER!!
WHY EVEN RISK SOMEONE APPLYING JUDGEMENT, THEIR OWN JUDGEMENT ON YOU!!
DO NOT SAY ANYTHING, EVEN IF ASKED IF YOU DID
1. IT IS NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS, IT IS LIKE ASKING IF THEY HAVE EVER BEEN DRUNK, WAY WORSE AND WAY MORE HARMFUL
2. SUPPOSEDLY, YOU CANNOT REMEMBER SO WELL, HAHAAH ANOTHER GREAT LIE, IF YOU SMOKE THAT PLANT WITH NO CHEMICALS OUT OF THE GROUND, SO IT WOULD NOT BE LYING SAYING, NO I HAVE NEVER EVER TRIED IT, IF YOU CAN'T REMEMBER
AND EVERYONE IS TELLING REZA NOT TO LIE
BUT WHAT.........?????????
YOU ARE ALL SAYING IT IS BETTER TO ADMIT TO SMOKING POT 30 YEARS AGO??????????????????????
WHATTTT??????????????????????????????????? PLEASE PEOPLE
GIVE PROPER ADVICE
Magenta
Jul 30 2007, 10:43 AM
This topic has been closed for violating the TOS.
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